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General Patton on Pacifism and Preaching Pacifism from the Pulpit
http://www.ycsi.net/users/reversespins/pattonpacify.html ^ | unknown | Patton

Posted on 03/30/2003 4:04:38 PM PST by Gamecock

"Gen. Patton did not have kind words for those who could not face death. He had harsh words for the religious leaders who opposed the efforts of the military and preached, "Thou shall not kill."

Gen. Patton called these types, "pulpit killers!" He commented, "These pulpit killers that go around saying that the Bible says that man dare not kill causes the death of many thousands of good soldiers. Damn little those pulpit killers know about the Bible. They know even less about the way God works. They should read all of the Bible, not just the part they like! God never hesitated to kill. God never hesitates to kill when one man or any race of man needed to be punished. God helped David kill Goliath, didn't he? How about Noah and the Ark? All of the rest of the people were killed in the flood! God took the blame for this mass murder. How about the Red Sea which opened up long enough for one race to escape and another race to be killed.

Don't talk to me about God not permitting man to kill. War means that we have to kill people. That's all there is to it. It is a sin not to kill if we are serving on God's side. There is no other way to win. Wars must be won for God's sake. He has a part in every war! The quicker we can kill the enemy, the quicker we can go home and listen to the pulpit killers tell us what we did wrong. If it wasn't for us, those pulpit idiots would be shot for standing in their own pulpits. Our task is to kill the enemy before we are killed."...


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To: Reagan Man
General Patton versus God and the Pulpit

Please take this in a friendly spirit, Reagan Man.

It's just my opinion...but seeing how "Thou shalt not kill" really is actually
correctly translated as "Thou shalt not murder" (according to numerous sources),
I think a reasonable case could be made that the legal case is:

God and General Patton versus Today's "Clergy"

Of course, that depends on what the current meaning of the word "Clergy" "is"...
21 posted on 03/30/2003 4:39:13 PM PST by VOA
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To: annyokie
When asked by his nephew about his profanity, Patton remarked, "When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. As for the types of comments I make", he continued with a wry smile, "Sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence."
22 posted on 03/30/2003 4:39:50 PM PST by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: gcruse
I am married to an officer who did three tours in Viet Nam and had five commands. Profanity is a must, according to the Major.
23 posted on 03/30/2003 4:41:55 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: VOA
>>>Please take this in a friendly spirit, Reagan Man.

Hey, no problem.

I thought my sarcasm was kinda obvious. =^)

24 posted on 03/30/2003 4:47:06 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Gamecock
NU 31:3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them. [4] Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel." [5] So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. [6] Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.

NU 31:7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.

25 posted on 03/30/2003 4:49:15 PM PST by apackof2 (When you see a rattlesnake poised to strike, you do not wait until he has struck before you crush it)
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To: apackof2
As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a windblown leaf will put them to flight. They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them." Leviticus 26:36

For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Romans 13:4
26 posted on 03/30/2003 4:52:04 PM PST by Gamecock (IF YOU HAVE TO BE ONE, BE A BIG RED ONE! No Mission too Difficult! No Sacrifice too Great!)
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To: Gamecock
What are our choices?

We have an enemy who believes that their God has told them that they should kill us, and be happy to die doing it. And that they will be rewarded in the after-life.

If a group of people are willing to die in the process of killing us -- we have no choice but to kill them FIRST.

It is a bloody thought but it is reality. Let's drop the big bomb!

God forgive us, and God Bless America!

27 posted on 03/30/2003 4:53:28 PM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: Gamecock
bump
28 posted on 03/30/2003 5:23:05 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Gamecock
1 Samuel 15
1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
29 posted on 03/30/2003 5:29:10 PM PST by Russell Scott (Iraqi soldier, is it really worth dying for the Butcher of Baghdad?)
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To: Reagan Man
I thought my sarcasm was kinda obvious. =^)

LOL! Reagan Man, you are just too subtle for me!

(Anyway, I ALWAYS try to be cautious and courteous on threads that involve religion!)
30 posted on 03/30/2003 5:31:57 PM PST by VOA
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To: Russell Scott
There will always be another ass to slay.
31 posted on 03/30/2003 5:35:01 PM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: gcruse
Bump

An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. As for the types of comments I make", he continued with a wry smile, "Sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence."


[Warning: This speech is original and very profane. It was given before battle hardened troops who were preparing to give "their last measure of devotion" to the liberty of the United States.]
The Speech

Somewhere in England - June 5th, 1944

"Be seated."

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.

You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend you're homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self-respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.

When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."

"You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they ARE He Men. Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen."

"All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call "chicken shit drilling". That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a fuck for a man who's not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an-asshole-bitch is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockfull of shit!"

"There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job. But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did." "An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horseshit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fucking!"

"We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we're going up against. By God, I do."

"My men don't surrender, and I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just bull shit either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!" "All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain. What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn't like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like? No, Goddamnit, Americans don't think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the 'G.I. Shits'."

"Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious firefight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir.' I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the goddamned wire has to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!'

Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the rode to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable."

"Don't forget, you men don't know that I'm here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the Goddamned Germans. Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, 'Jesus Christ, it's the Goddamned Third Army again and that son-of-a-fucking-bitch Patton'."

"We want to get the hell over there." The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit."

"Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin", he yelled, "I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!"

"When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cock suckers by the bushel-fucking-basket."

"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!"

"I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"

"From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that."

"There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, 'Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.' No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, 'Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!' "

"That is all."



32 posted on 03/30/2003 5:40:33 PM PST by B-Cause
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To: B-Cause
Can you imagine what Patton would have said if someone tried to put a yellow ribbon on the door of his tent?
33 posted on 03/30/2003 5:44:28 PM PST by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: Gamecock
Too bad we don't have any more like him. But in the world of PC, a Patton would never make it past 0-2!


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34 posted on 03/30/2003 5:45:01 PM PST by logic101.net (Support OUR Troops; Not Saddam's!)
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To: BamaFan69
"We could use a Patton in Iraq... "

We don't need Patton in Iraq. The guy we have in charge is better. Not because he's a better man, but because he's had the opportunity to learn from Patton's successes and failures, as well as those of every other major military leader in our nation's history.

Ever heard that quote about standing on the shoulders of giants?
35 posted on 03/30/2003 5:52:22 PM PST by SBprone
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To: Gamecock
Unfortunately the religious pacifists will say God was different in the Old Testament (the examples Patton used).

They say Jesus is different and would never sanction war.

Not true...but the pacifists cling to this.

36 posted on 03/30/2003 6:23:41 PM PST by what's up
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Me too. What a warrior.
37 posted on 03/30/2003 6:38:41 PM PST by dix ( I agree with Savage. Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: Gamecock
As a Baptist pastor, I can say that Georgie's theology is right on and absolutely in accord with Scripture.

Ignorant, panty-waisted preachers are not only useless, but dangerous!
38 posted on 03/30/2003 7:59:11 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Heydrich Himmler was homosexual.)
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To: Gamecock
BUMP for the greatest WWII general.
39 posted on 03/30/2003 8:01:07 PM PST by eleni121
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To: TFMcGuire
Preach on Brother, preach on!
40 posted on 03/30/2003 8:04:56 PM PST by Gamecock (IF YOU HAVE TO BE ONE, BE A BIG RED ONE! No Mission too Difficult! No Sacrifice too Great!)
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