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Terminate Ann Coulter's syndication
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Posted on 03/18/2003 5:19:57 AM PST by End Times Sentinel

Terminate Ann Coulter's syndication

Ann Coulter has long been considered one of the worst syndicated columnists in history.  Not only is she incapable of critical thinking, but her writing style is banal and full of witticisms that could easily be attributed to an eleven-year old.  Nevertheless, some companies still feel that they need to carry her venomous rants.  I should point out that National Review, a magazine renowned for its very conservative slant and its bloodthirsty anti-Muslim columnists, elected to terminate Ann Coulter.

As an update, there was a certain amount of activity last week due to an article by World Net Daily.  Read some of the emails we received here.

Please take the time to send the letter below to the following links.  Please title your emails "Terminate Ann Coulter's Column".

Click here to write to Yahoo Columns.
Write to
Conservatism.com.
Email Jewish World Review : schmooze@jewishworldreview.com
Email TownHall.com:
info@townhall.com
Email the Conservative Chronicle:
conserve@iowaconnect.com
Email World Net Daily:
jfarah@worldnetdaily.com, dkupelian@worldnetdaily.com, jkovacs@worldnetdaily.com, dlynne@worldnetdaily.com, amoore@worldnetdaily.com, rstrom@worldnetdaily.com, tambrose@worldnetdaily.com

Write to FrontPage Magazine.  These guys are extremely anti-Muslim and fanatic fascists in their pursuit of conservatism.  It is run by a David Horowitz, who loves Ann because she suggested that we invade Islamic countries and convert them to Christianity.  Little hope of convincing them to drop Ann Coulter, I'm afraid, but we should let them know that she sucks.
 

Dear Sir/Madam;

I would like to express my total dissatisfaction with your organization's syndication of columnist Ann Coulter.  Not only is she one of the worst columnists in recent history, she is also one of the most vindictive and bloodthirsty writers on today's circuit.  Ann Coulter's comments on various talk shows and through her columns portray her to be a vindictive, egocentric, and thoroughly anti-Muslim bigot that has the bad habit of speaking before she thinks.  Some of her more recent comments include:

[about Muslims]  "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC

"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."---Politically Incorrect 5/7/97

It is evident that this "writer" is nothing more than a mouthpiece for ultra-reactionary conservatives, and a blowhard at that.  She does not represent American values; her comments fly in the face of everything that Americans stand for, including the conservative population.  She is disgusting and vindictive, and is unable to generate a single original idea.  Her columns are always about how evil Muslims are, or how all environmentalists should be sentenced to death.  Even conservative organizations like the National Review have dropped her syndication, citing a lack of professional ethics and  integrity. 

I am fairly certain that Ann Coulter does not represent the ideas and values of your company.  In fact, the only people she can claim to represent are bigots.  I therefore ask that you immediately cancel the appearance of her column from your organization.  I also would like to ask that you issue a public statement that informs the media that the reason that Ann Coulter was dropped was because of her paranoid and vindictive bigotry, and that she does not represent the values and the culture of your organization.

Thank you for your time.

Regards,



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To: netmilsmom
After 9/11 the Arab family up the street proudly displayed their Stars and Stripes before anyone else.

Most Arabs living in the United States are Christians, not Muslims. You might find it instructive to ask them why they came here, and what they think of the "religion of peace."

61 posted on 03/18/2003 8:51:45 AM PST by FredZarguna
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To: FredZarguna
and considering the literal meaning of certain Leviticus and Deuteronomy verses, Jesus's admonition about throwing stones comes to mind. Quite apt, although you probably don't realize why. Whatever the "literal meaning" you're trying to attach to OT verses, all Christians have some version of progressive revelation, or the fulfillment of the covenant in the Person of Christ.
Jews don't...so by your logic are they also an inherently violent religion? Does their scripture make them evil like you seem to believe Islam's does? If not, why not?

And what about the New Testament?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:11-12: “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church"

-Eric

62 posted on 03/18/2003 9:13:09 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Owl_Eagle
"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99

It may be true. What is wrong with that statement if it is true?

63 posted on 03/18/2003 9:15:23 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: N. Theknow

64 posted on 03/18/2003 9:29:12 AM PST by lainie
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To: Owl_Eagle
Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation]

Gee, you would think this dumbass would have done his homework before putting this out there for all the world to see. New Deal is not before the Emancipation Proclamation but I give this cave dweller an A for effort in trying to play the race card to his fellow haters.
65 posted on 03/18/2003 9:42:57 AM PST by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: netmilsmom; Owl_Eagle
The Quran is what one takes from it. The Bible has some nasty quotes as well...The idiot Islamists, who are living in the 14th century and letting the Imans tell them what the book says, are he ones we have to worry about...Go Ann, you say what most of us would like to.

There are several Islam Q&A sites that pretty much offer the same responses to peoples' questions. Islam may have some followers who have fallen off the track but so have their leaders and the numbers are sizeable. Not all muslims are violent or antiSemetic but it is a falicy to believe that none are.

From Ask the Imam:

many muslims priase Hitler for killing jews, shoud they or are they wrong.

Islam has ordered us Muslims to fight against the enemies of Islam and not be like the Jew and make other nations fight their wars. We as Muslims may share in Hitlers hatered for the Jews but we cannot praise him for the manner in which he went about killing the jews (if the history books are correct). But rather we as Muslims are governed by the Shariah which prohibit the killing the old and the weak etc.

Is it permissible to wage (Physical War) Jihad against Israel, U.S. and India (for there role in Gujrat Muslims Carnage)?

Your question is a sensitive one.

It does not behove one person to issue a ruling on such a matter. It require one to exercise precaution and have broad consultation before arriving at a conclusion.

Is Osamah bin Laden is really a hero of Islamic Ummah? Do Taliban government of Afghanistan done right by demolishing the Buddah statues?

1. Usama ibn Laden is a practising Muslim, and thus, our brother in Islam. He has made many sacrifices for the Deen, in particular, the Jihaad of Afghanistan. While we respect him for this, we do not raise any person to any position, except that which Allah Ta'ala wishes.

2. He himself has denied involvement. Why should we then doubt him? Even if a billion Kuffaar say the opposite, the word of a single practising Muslim is more acceptable to us.

3. It was an Islamic duty for the Taliban to have destroyed the idols.

about the attack on usa

From the Darul Ifta - Plane Crashes in New York

According to the Shari'ah, in normal conditions, when there is no declaration of Jihaad, Muslims are required to conduct themselves in a dignified and honourable way. Their sound character and conduct should leave an impression in the hearts of non-Muslims that Islam is a religion of submission and subjugation to the orders of Allah Ta'ala which invokes the peace of Allah Ta'ala on earth. Thus, Islam is a religion of peace and is against any act that impedes peace.

Even, when there is a declaration of Jihaad (by competent and reliable Ulama, after having studied the situation and substantiating the need for Jihaad with Shar'ee reasons), it is prohibited to target and kill women, children and old people. Hadhrat ibn Abbaas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) used to advise the army before dispatching them, 'Do not deceive, do not disfigure, do not kill children and those in churches.' (I'elaa-us-Sunan vol.12 pg.31; Idaratul Qur'aan)

It is clear from the aforegoing narration that the flight bombing of the twin towers of the World Trade Centre, New York and the Pentagon has no basis in Islamic Shari'ah. Therefore, as Muslims, we are required to adhere to the laws of the Shari'ah.

If Muslims perceive any injustices to them, they should create suitable channels and avenues to address such issues. If they are unsuccessful in their endervours, they should make Mashwara (consult) with the Fuqahaa (intelligent) and Aabideen (pious) people on the best course of action. It is against the spirit of Islam to make independent decisions as that may be dangerous to the course of Islam.

Please give me the true Islamic perspective on the suicide attacks in America.

(same response, but it shows that the term Jihad is a physical war, not a spiritual journey)

Is it allowed to obtain United States Citizenship so that travelling for deen becomes easier?

1. If your intention is solely to facilitate easier travel, you are permitted to obtain US citizenship. Although the oath of allegiance is un-Islamic in nature, it will not be treated as an 'Islamic oath'. Therefore, you are not compelled to execute the oath.

2. If you are called up to bear arms against Muslims, you are not permitted to do so by Islamic law.

3. The pledge does not constitute Ilhaad.

Is having a Slave (girl) for sex nowdyas is allowed?

A man may have intimate relations with his wife or slave girl. This applies no matter how many slave girls one may possess. He may not have intimate relations with his servant. A slave is one whom one physically owns. Since slavery is not in vogue nowadays, this does not apply today. Refer attached

....

It may, superficially, appear distasteful to copulate with a woman who is not a man's legal wife, but once Shariat makes something lawful, we have to accept it as lawful, whether it appeals to our taste, or not; and whether we know its underlying wisdom or not. It is necessary for a Muslim to be acquainted with the laws of Shariat, but it is not necessary for him to delve into each law in order to find the underlying wisdom of these laws because knowledge of the wisdom of some of the laws may be beyond his puny comprehension.

non muslims at my work want to know"WHY DONT WE EAT PIQ"they aware its haraam but critically want to know WHY?

Consumption of swine-flesh reduces the feeling of shame and as such the standard of modesty. Those nations, which consume pork habitually, have a low standard of morality with the result that virginity, chastity and bashfulness are becoming a thing of the past in Europe today. The number of unwed mothers is on the increase despite the use of pills and other contraceptives.

recently I've been talkin' to ‘jihadis’, who say if Islam brings me peace, I have chosen the wrong religion, they say blood of kafir is halal, it is permissible to kill any nonmuslim

The statement, 'promoted killing of non-Muslims' is vague and sweeping and is very much open to misinterpretation. Yes, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) promoted the killing of these non-Muslims who are actively engaged in destroying Islam and the Muslims. This is the command of Allah Ta'ala Himself in the Qur'aan. This type of killing is not simply permissible, but commendable and worthy of reward. This does not mean that Islam teaches to kill all non-Muslims.

I have to make a choice whether I should work with jews. Is it allowed ir should we decline?

You may work with Jews. However, a person is affected by his environment. It is very easy to be influenced by their lifestyle and habits.

Therefore, if there are other job opportunities besides this one, we suggest you give preference to another job. If there are no other opportunities, you may continue working till you find another suitable job.

can a women cut her nails during menstruation?

It is Makrooh for a female to clip her nails during menstruation. However, if there is a valid reason for her to clip her nails in that state, for example, the nails are harmful to her child, then she will be excused.

As for the punishment of stoning a person to death, are we as Muslims supposed to also follow the rule of Jesus whom said "Only those of you who are sinless may cast the first stone"

As for the punishment of stoning a person to death, are we as Muslims supposed to also follow the rule of Jesus whom said "Only those of you who are sinless may cast the first stone". Or can someone who has sinned stone another person to death?

The Bible is replete with additions and inconsistencies. We are compelled to adhere to the Qur’aan and Hadith as our source of guidance and not the abrogated teachings of Eesa (Alayhis salaam).

Every human being except the Ambiyaa (Alayhis salaam) is a sinner. If we apply the aforementioned principle to the punishment of stoning, the penal code of Islam will fall apart. In short, sinners can also stone adulteress to dead provided the punishment is carried out within the Islamic framework of the penal code.

Second marriage possible under these conditions. i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed. What is your advise?

i am 45 and married to already 15 years now after the sexual desire of my woman has nearly gone i am looking to marry again. And i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed, my first wife told me that it could make problems if it will be a big different in age, and also some of my children are older than my second wife. What is your advise ? And is it allowed for me to have already sexual intercourse with these woman after we are married or to i have to wait till she reach at special age ?

According to the Shari’ah, if a girl is a minor (did not attain puberty), she may be given in marriage by her father. When she attains puberty, she has the right to maintain the marriage or discontinue the marriage. There is no age limit to be intimate with one’s wife even if she is a minor.

It is important for you, in your situation, to consider the age difference reservation expressed by your wife.

I think the response you gave to the man who is 45 and wishes to marry a 12yr old is purely wrong!! That is called a pedophile

Our answer is based on Shari’ah principles. What is your ideology based on?

If people in Adams(pbuh) time were 60+ ft tall, how come we never find any remains close to that tall.

Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said that 'Aadam (Alayhis salaam) was 30 Ziraa tall.'

Ziraa is a measurement and one Ziraa is approximately half metre. The Hadith is authentic and that is siffucient for us. Scientific and archeological evidences are subordinate to Hadith.

If US attacks Iraq what is the job of the muslim countrys in this reguard?

It will be their Fardh duty to fight the US.

I am a Muslim and I helped an Indian Intelligence Agency in thier operations, and I was made to think that the India Government truly is honest to muslims and respects them a lot. But off late my eyes are opened and i have seen the true colors of the Indian Government, and so i withdrew my services to them. In my ignorance i have committed some sins like passing on sensitive information pertaining to muslims to them, which they may have used against Muslims, so now how must i repent to Allah

The doors of Tawbah are always open. Continue making Tawbah and seek Allah's forgiveness. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have said, 'A person who makes Tawbah is like a person who has not sinned.'

If it is haraam to commit suicide bombings?

Q: What is your opinion on the suicide bombers in Palestine? A: If a community is oppressed and denied its basic human rights, it is permissible for them to fight against the oppressors and free themselves from such oppression. It is permissible for them to engage in Jihaad - risking their lives in the hope of saving themselves from oppression. The people of Palestine are the most oppressed people and live in constant fear by the rule of the Jewish oppressors. Their extreme frustration and hardships have led them to behave likewise - to resort to suicide bombings. Assuming the suicide bombing is evil but this evil is opposed by a greater evil for which there is no adequate substitute, therefore, their act will also be justified as lesser of the two evils in terms of the Shari'ah.

The jews call their state "Israel",the Quraan refered to the jews as children of "Israel" 1400 years ago

The jews call their state "Israel",the Quraan refered to the jews as children of "Israel" 1400 years ago.Why have they named there state after the exact Quraanic reference ? Please give detailed explanation.

Israel is a Hebrew word, the equivalent of Abdullah in Arabic, which means the 'servant of Allah'.

This was the title given to Hadhrat Ya'coob (Alayhis salaam) by the Jews. He had 12 sons by which the Qur'aan makes reference to as 'al-Asbaat' (12 sons of Ya'coob) (Baqar Aayat136). The 12 tribes of Israel emerged from the progeny of these 12 sons. Hence, they are addressed in the Qur'aan as 'Banu Israaeel' (children of Israel, i.e. Ya'coob (Alayhis salaam)). So, it is clear that the Jews have been synonymous with the name Israel since before Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), thus, before the revelation of the Qur' aan.

(I've heard this same complaint from antisemitic Christian arabs (Lebanese descent).

Me and my sister are going to go India Inshallah, but we hear that there are alot of jinns there, and people do black magic there alot, so is there any duaa that we can read everyday so that we can be saved from all this. And not only in India but even here in England incase? Jazakullah Mufti saab, for answering mine and everone`s question and may Allah Accept your time and Grant you more Knowledge. Ameen

Jinns are all over the world. Similarly, black magic is also practiced in many places besides India. In order to save oneself from the evils of Jinns and black magic, the following should be observed:

1. Stay in the state of Wudhu at all times.

2. Perform all Fardh Salaats on time.

3. Recite Aayaatul Kursi after every Fardh Salaat.

4. Recite the four Quls every night before sleeping.

Beware the Blue Djinn!


66 posted on 03/18/2003 9:45:51 AM PST by weegee (McCarthy was right - Fight the Red Menace)
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To: weegee
I think you have it wrong. NONE of us said there aren't crazy Islamists. We are in full agreement with you. All we were saying is that not all Muslims are those kooks and the majority of those in our neighborhoods are surely not.
As one of the moms in my school said, just because I wear a scarf, doesn't mean I don't love America. I was born here, my father was born here and my family is who we are liberating in Iraq!
67 posted on 03/18/2003 9:53:30 AM PST by netmilsmom (Bush/Rice 2004- pray & fast for our troops this lent)
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To: Owl_Eagle
If I worked at the Jewish World Review, I wouldn't even OPEN an email from an organization which proudly calls themselves, PROISLAM. I'd think there were some kind of computer virus attached.
68 posted on 03/18/2003 9:55:35 AM PST by Hildy
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To: netmilsmom
I understand your comment, that is why I excerpted it to show that you even supported Ann in speaking out. It took me awhile to compile that post (I had bookmarks but I had to cut and paste the whole thing) so it may have seemed "inappropriate" when it finally appeared in the thread.

They aren't the majority but they do pose a serious threat (as do the antisemitic Lebanese "Christians" I went to high school with; during Gulf War I they kept hoping that Saddam or someone would nuke Israel).

Here is a report (take it as you will) about some speakers recruiting on college campus:

Soda, pizza and the destruction of America: Klein reveals secret visit to Muslim Student Association

There are those in America and around the world who see an attack on a muslim nation (fundamentalist Islamic nation or not) as an attack on Islam. The attack on the US on 9/11 was a sign of encouragement to those who had waited silently in America. A previous attempt on the WTC had been made and a sniper shot people at the CIA headquarters prior to 2001. Some other attacks may have been made but misinterpreted but largely most attacks on America were on American interests abroad (embassies, ships, etc.). We may be in line for more severe attacks this time around. After 9.01.2001 there has been an increase in "lone nut" activity in the US.

69 posted on 03/18/2003 10:22:39 AM PST by weegee (McCarthy was right - Fight the Red Menace)
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To: E Rocc
Jews don't...so by your logic are they also an inherently violent religion?

I challenge that assertion. I believe you will find indeed that Jews do believe in progressive revelation.

As to your putative "refutation" not a single one of your verses instructs Chrisitans to subjugate, maim, or murder non-believers.

In response to numerous adjurations in the Koran to murder, the best you can come up with in the NT are some quotes regarding the afterlife, and some aspects of ritual practice of the early Church which are not part of the dogma, faith or morals required of Christians. This is so unbelievably lame it's not even worth wasting keystrokes on.

Please.

70 posted on 03/18/2003 11:01:27 AM PST by FredZarguna
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To: E Rocc
Your 2 Thessalonians quote is a bit out of context - try it with :7 and :8 together -

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


That's the Lord taking vengeance, not his followers.
71 posted on 03/18/2003 11:23:20 AM PST by m1911
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To: netmilsmom
"The idiot Islamists, who are living in the 14th century and letting the Imans tell them what the book says, are he ones we have to worry about"

One of the problems is there are millions of the type you describe out there, and the Muslims who are not of their ilk don't seem to be willing or able to take a public stand against them. Here are a few questions for you:

1-Why are you making such an effort to convince Christians and other non-Muslims in America that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant religion, but making no such direct effort to convey the same into the Mosques in the US or the rest of the Muslim world?

2-Why are Christian churches banned in so many Islamic nations if Islam is so tolerant of all faiths?

3-Do you and your leaders encourage other Muslims to report suspicious behavior or conversation among your Muslim community? Are you assisting the FBI and police forces by turning in your errant Muslim brothers and sisters? Did any of you answer the call from the FBI for help in translating Arabic languages? If no, why not?

72 posted on 03/18/2003 11:33:38 AM PST by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Mr. Bird
"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99

I guess the author thinks that statement is offensive. It's offensive because it's true.

...And is documented in official government publications (the Star Report)

73 posted on 03/18/2003 12:29:49 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Owl_Eagle
Editor of ProIslam: This leads me to believe that this bulletin board is merely a place for people with the same ideas to get together and talk about how right they are. Anyone with a dissenting opinion is banned and all of his or her posts are pulled.

Doesn't ProIslam want to do to the same thing to Ann Coulter?
74 posted on 03/18/2003 12:35:28 PM PST by No Left Turn
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To: Owl_Eagle
[about Muslims] "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC

"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."---Politically Incorrect 5/7/97

It wouldn't surprise me if Proislam is lying like a rug about some of this...

75 posted on 03/18/2003 2:39:03 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Most of thy readers of Freerepublic.com suggested that we should leave the country or that they would personally come to execute us in the name of liberty.

Oh, bullsh*t! Maybe a few of them did, but not most of them. I know FR better than that!

76 posted on 03/18/2003 2:41:16 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Re: Terminate Ann Coulter's syndication

Son, here in Texas
them's fighting words!

77 posted on 03/18/2003 2:44:54 PM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Mr. Lucky
I'll tell ya' something, right now I'm close to that lucky.... I can't believe the woman I'm dating now! She looks as good as Ann and she's over 50!
78 posted on 03/18/2003 2:50:58 PM PST by gortklattu
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To: RonDog
My copy of Slander is dog-eared, pencil noted, folded and has notes all over the pages.

I want to see a celebrity death match between Ann and Hillary.
79 posted on 03/18/2003 2:52:37 PM PST by gortklattu
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To: Owl_Eagle; the gillman@blacklagoon.com; netmilsmom; katana; E Rocc; Clara Lou; FredZarguna; All
The following are the verses of Surah 109, "Al-Kafiruun", i.e. the Unbelievers. This is one of the first Surahs ever revealed in the Qur'an to Muhammad (S.A.W.) in Makkah and so it came before the verses you quoted. However, notice Surat Al-Kafiruun's position in the Qur'an. It is one of the very last, it's position reflecting the Prophet's own arrangement of the Surahs in the Qur'an. One of the last lessons (that of tolerance) you take with you upon finishing reading the Qur'an.

Much of what you wrote are less permanent commandments for Muslims for all time than they were what was needed to be done at a particular time. Understand that Islam does not advocate helpless martyrdom and strongly approves of self-defense. We do not turn the other cheek when we know another slap is coming. Back then, Muslims were captured, tortured and executed without mercy and there was much need for aggressive self-defense measures, including pre-emption. So in katana's words, the "instances where Muslims are directed to lay waste are specific to certain peoples and times."

Much of the rest only describes what befalls a man in Hell. And as for the verse regarding Christians and Jews, know that Muslims are explicitly allowed to marry Christians and Jews and consider them fellow "peoples of the book" (i.e. "Ahlul Khitab") to be treated with every courtesy and kindness (the same applies to all other peoples). I ask you, how can we also be supposed to hate them if we can marry them?

There are lots of things I think you're ignorant of. But I cannot blame you. But I ask you to remember that Torquemada was considered by the vast majority of Christendom to be doing "God's work" when he was murdering and torturing his way through the Spanish Inquisition. Unlike Christianity, Islam has no established priesthood but we do have scholars. All Muslims are supposed to pursue a high level of scholarship in the Qur'an. And this means that we have to rely on those who are already scholars.

Unfortunately, a lot of these scholars seem to have come down with Torquemaditis ... which is why I cannot blame you. And it would take a while before this situation is rectified. And unfortunately, insults and demonization (like yours) are really not helping.

Assalamu Alaikum

80 posted on 03/18/2003 4:02:49 PM PST by MAKnight
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