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Law Professor urges UN to invade USA? Could U.N. use military force on U.S.?
www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | march 15,2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 03/15/2003 10:46:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory

By Art Moore © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

United Nations headquarters in New York

Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."

The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City.

In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'"

The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."

"I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said.

Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression."

"But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …"

Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances.

Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work."

"It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said.

'Ways to make U.N. more important'

Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

He had two of his students at the law school research the resolution and now has sent out the word to every U.N. mission in New York.

In addition, about 12 missions a day are being visited by campaigners, he said, and the response has been generally very positive.

He expects there to be support from the 116 countries in the non-aligned movement, who are "already saying inspectors should be given more time."

Greenpeace's involvement has greatly expanded the campaign's reach, he said, since "we're just a small human-rights litigation organization."

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

Sedition?

A circular e-mail letter promoting the campaign said in the first paragraph that "if Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary."

The letter includes Ratner's name and e-mail address as a contact, but he says he did not send out that particular version, which included the line about the U.N. using military action.

A political science professor at the University of Michigan who forwarded the letter to colleagues, added a note above the text, obtained by WND, that said: "Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

"Please make this major peace action a high priority and forward this message to others," said Susan Wright, who indicated she is with the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another. It's not something I would ever recommend."

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Art Moore is a news editor with WorldNetDaily.com.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americantraitors; bush; counsel; international; invasion; iraq; kofi; law; nations; security; un; united; war
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To: DoughtyOne
Exactly. Where IS the U.N.?
201 posted on 03/15/2003 7:08:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- I don't own any "assault rifles," just Homeland Defense Rifles. It's my patriotic duty. ---)
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To: longtermmemmory
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone needs to clue this pinhead in..........militarily, we ARE the UN. Financially, we ARE the UN.

Yep yep yep........bring on a coalition of forces from Salvador, the Ivory Coast, Botswana, and Malaysia, baby. We're quivering in our boots.

202 posted on 03/15/2003 7:12:21 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Carry_Okie
Was this guy a Satanist? I always think of Satanists of creeps like Aleister Crowley, but this gave me shivers!
203 posted on 03/15/2003 7:14:58 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Emote-Icons :-) = Smile... :-( = Sad.... :-& = Tried to say "chipotle")
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To: Grampa Dave
I am glad that I don't have to think about my liabilities with a Concealed Gun Permit when it comes to Ratner (he is a couple of thousand miles from me)and, is a traitor to his country.

So many civilisations have gone away throughout history because of pieces of dog clinton like this guy.

204 posted on 03/15/2003 7:18:22 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Cosmo
Can't wait for the U.N. to declare war on the U.S.

No need, our political class has already declared war on the Constitution, the Republicrats vote yes.

205 posted on 03/15/2003 7:24:11 PM PST by UnBlinkingEye
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To: longtermmemmory
the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."
After 2000 Hillary muttered all sorts of imprecations about the Electoral College, which wouldn't have elected Bush/Cheney if not for the 2-elector bonus each state receives merely for being a state--thereby giving Bush a 2-electoral-vote boost for each state, no matter how small, that he won--and he won most of the lightly populated ones.

If Hillary thinks THAT is undemocratic (it is), what about the General Assembly of the UN, which has one vote per nation, be that nation China or Fiji?! The governance of the UN is wildly undemocratic, which is I suppose why the "Democratic" Party is in favor of ceding US sovereignty to it. Elitists to a gal!


206 posted on 03/15/2003 7:24:57 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: longtermmemmory
I'm getting to this thread really late. I still have to read this thread, and please forgive me if this has been said, but there are provisions provided for the exact situation we are up against. So, I will read all 200+ comments and hope this has been brought up.

Here's my research which found the following:

UN Security Council, General Assembly United for Peace Loophole!

Long ago, the members of the United Nations recognized that such impasses would occur in the Security Council. They set up a procedure for insuring that such stalemates would not prevent the United Nations from carrying out its mission to “maintain international peace and security.” In 1950, the United Nations by an almost unanimous vote adopted Resolution 377, the wonderfully named “Uniting for Peace.” The United States played an important role in that resolutions adoption, concerned about the possibilities of vetoes by the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Uniting for Peace provides that if, because of the lack of unanimity of the permanent members of the Security Council (France, China, Russia, Britain, United States), the Council cannot maintain international peace where there is a “threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression,” the General Assembly “shall consider the matter immediately….” The General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to “maintain or restore international peace and security.”

207 posted on 03/15/2003 7:34:43 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: longtermmemmory
Blue Helmets make Good Targets. Everyone be sure to bag the daily limit. Remember, some nations will never have the chance, and bagging less than the daily limit will looked upon as not taking advantage of "targets of opportunity" in the future historical account of the sporting event.
208 posted on 03/15/2003 7:34:52 PM PST by Dalite (... Comment to all)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
There are those who say Pike was a Luciferian. There are those who regard that characterization of him as the exclusive product of the "Taxil Hoax." Frankly, there is so much contortion of the Bible in Pike's book, Morals and Dogma, that the Masonic explanation (that the charge is the sole product of a hoax) is itself dishonest.
209 posted on 03/15/2003 7:51:29 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: longtermmemmory
This law professor is advocating going outside the US governmetn in order to enforce his views on US citizens.

These people don't want the Pledge of Allegience eliminated because the word "God" is used in it, it's a distraction.
They want the part that says "and to the REPUBLIC, from witch it stands" to be censored.
This is another example of left wing facism through litigation.

210 posted on 03/15/2003 8:19:26 PM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: longtermmemmory
The left is also TERRIFIED, literally, that this pro-American action would be a huge success. They know the Iraqi people want to taste the sweet nector of freedom, something the dictorial left would want to keep them hidden from forever if they could.
Securing the US, giving those who support a free Republic a PR victory, and allowing freedom in Iraq is something they would kill (US citizens, if necessary) to stop.
211 posted on 03/15/2003 8:24:46 PM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Awesome; I would love to see them try; I hate them everyday a little worse...Maybe we can go to war against france and the UN
212 posted on 03/15/2003 8:26:22 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Any lawyer advocating the forceful overthrow of the government should be disbarred. Any law school that fails to discipline a professor in this situation should lose its accreditation.

It's up to us to push this point home; everybody else will just ignore the problem unless people like us make a stink. Let's come back to this individual later, and ensure that justice happens.
213 posted on 03/15/2003 8:30:52 PM PST by Tax Government
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; sneakypete
10 million deer rifle army ping!

214 posted on 03/15/2003 8:32:46 PM PST by CARepubGal (Blue Helmets make perfect targets)
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To: Grampa Dave
I'm with you. We paid for this guy's education????
Surely his 'plan' amounts to treason!
215 posted on 03/15/2003 8:36:26 PM PST by meema
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To: Indy Pendance
I'm reading all this late too, but here's what got me.... the quote

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

"More important?" How about more functional? How about more reasonable? How about still recognizing the sovereinty of each country? How about "no vetos" before a resolution is submitted? Geeshhhhhhh
216 posted on 03/15/2003 8:37:13 PM PST by bart99
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To: Cosmo
Yeah, and France will be right behind them...Go ahead make my day!
217 posted on 03/15/2003 8:46:30 PM PST by TShaunK
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To: bart99
"Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

Constitutional rights give the UN the right to oppress us? What does the UN have to do with Americas Constitutional rights? Under the Constitution, we're a free Republic, not a part of the socialist collective.
The socialist left is TERRIFIED the world will learn to accept freedom, rather than total government rule. They're literally terrified Iraq would be a huge success.

218 posted on 03/15/2003 8:50:08 PM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: Dalite; Squantos; MeeknMing; Paul Atreides; doug from upland
Limit? The Texans will take out each and every one of the critters. Leftovers have to get through NM, AZ and CA (they will have problems here since they have to get through the Inland Empire/San Bernadino, San Diego & Orange Counties to reach LA. Red Dawn is a very instructive film......
219 posted on 03/15/2003 8:51:50 PM PST by CARepubGal (Blue Helmets make perfect targets)
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To: Cosmo
obviously france would make up the brute force of the invasion < /sarcasm >
220 posted on 03/15/2003 9:02:27 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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