Elizabeth Smart Reuninted with Her Mother**picture***

THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE ^ | March 13, 2003 | Elizabeth Neff

[Kentucky]

Police found Elizabeth Smart alive and in the company of a transient panhandler Wednesday, some nine months after she disappeared from her Salt Lake City home. Sandy police located Elizabeth in the suburb with Brian David Mitchell, who had worked odd jobs for the Smarts for five hours in November 2001 and was wanted for questioning. Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse said investigators are convinced Elizabeth was kidnapped, and released the name of Wanda Eileen Barzee as a second suspect in the crime.

[Illbay]

Sheesh. You really ARE a boor, aren't you?

[webstersII]

Good job.

Now, look at the first and most often used definition:
"to review something idly or casually and often inconclusively"

I have said that it is still inconclusive because we don't have the questions answered. You are the one who pronounced the conclusion already.

Now this less-used definition doesn't apply here: "to take to be true on the basis of insufficient evidence : THEORIZE" because I have not stated that I know what the truth is here, I have only said that the truth can't be known until some glaring questions are answered.

[Illbay]

I, too, have used this as an object lesson for my kid. Before ES was snatched she wanted to know why she couldn't just walk the few blocks to her JHS instead of taking the bus.

After ES was snatched, she stopped asking.

How wonderful that Elizabeth is BACK!!!

[webstersII]

"Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one"

How true.

[Illbay]

Don't you love it that a guy who snatches the girl in the dead of night, then guards her constantly, keeping her veiled, etc., has to have it "proven" that he knew what he was doing was wrong?

[Catspaw]

What we're seeing and what we're going to see is a deliberate trashing of the victim and the victim's family from now until the end of the trial by both Mitchell's defense attorney and Mitchell's supporters.

[Eva]

No, this book wasn't really about love. It was about psychosis and the effect of a brand of Mormonism on the lives of the family of the disturbed woman.

There is something about religion that if you teach a child specific tenets early enough, those tenets are very difficult to remove from the psyche. No amount of rational thought seems to be able to completely eliminate them.

I am aware that the type of Mormonism that Gilmore's mother exhibited was not mainstream, so don't get upset with me. I am not bashing Mormonism.

[FreeTally]

I have to say, I haven't really ever followed this case too much, but you and others raise interesting points. I had some similar thoughts in the back of my mind last night while watching the news chanels, but I was just so happy that she had been found that I didn't want to dwell on such questions.

[marktuoni]

Does any one else have a problem with a mother who routinely has homeless men come into her home in some sort of act of charity, and a father who last night chastised the leadership in Congress for not acting quickly enough on Meghan's Law legislation?

Although the legislation makes sense...none of this would have happened if Mrs. Smart had been more concerned with the welfare of her children and a little less concerned with taking care of vagrants.

[marktuoni]

Sorry....Amber Alert....not Meghan's law...duh

[Catspaw]

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[Redcloak]

There is some serious weirdness that has yet to surface in this case. The next few weeks should prove interesting.

[RecentConvert]

In actuality, she and the guy staged a fake kidnapping in order to run away from home.

You stage a kidnapping in order to run away?

If she wanted to run away, they would not have planned the way they did. They could have met at a given place at a given time to run away. Why risk it by entering a residence, armed, in the middle of the night with seven other people in the residence? Moreover there was nothing indicating that ES wanted to run away. Nothing.

Furthermore, had ES planned on running away she would have taken along with her any personal items she might have needed during her escapade, but no personal items were missing.

The NYT reported back in June 2002 MK hearing Elizabeth ask the abductor what he (the abductor) intented to do with her. The abductor responded (according to MK) that if she kept quite he intended to held her captive. Not an indication of willingly running away!

And, MK reported that the abductor told ES to wear her snickers prior to leaving the premises. Again, another indication that ES did not plan to run away, or she would have had those shoes, along with other items, handy.

From what I've read, there is nothing pointing out to a run-away and plenty of evidence that she was forced against her will. I've followed this case since June 5 and the above are some of the reasons why she was kidnapped. I'm not gonna go back and search all my notes to convince you.

[webstersII]

Well, that was really interesting. That's a nice website.

I don't know what it has to do with this discussion, because the answers aren't available there yet. Maybe you are just saying that they will eventually get to the bottom of all this, but your point was not clear.

I can see several scenarios where she was mentally unable to get away after a certain amount of time -- due to brainwashing, drugs, etc. -- but these need to be investigated. I feel certain that the LE officers are asking those questions now, and I hope that they get good answers which will stand up in court so that this won't turn in to a 3-ring circus. If they don't get good answers, then these questions will continue to be a part of this incredible story from now on. You think I'm asking hard questions, just imagine if all of the talking heads get ahold of this, not to mention when the D.A. starts getting the case together.

[GovernmentShrinker]

“News of the Church,” Ensign, May 2001, 110
Church leaders have called on members, news organizations, and others to use the Church’s full and correct name—The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints—and to avoid use of the terms “Mormon Church” or “LDS Church.”

And I think you're missing my point. There is no such thing as "real" or "not real" Baptists, Mormons, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Socialists, Feminists, etc. These are terms adopted by various groups for themselves (usually as part of longer, more formal names), in most cases used by more than one civilized and substantial-sized group, as well as by some nutty little groups. For example, there are several very mainstream denominations known as "Lutheran", and any member of one who goes around claiming that the others aren't "real" Lutherans just sounds self-serving and uninformed (if not fanatical).

[Hildy]

HOW DARE YOU. You cannot put your life exerpieces into someone else. Some religious people feel it is their duty to help others and see it as a lesson they are teaching their children. You don't know this mother. I can't believe there are people on this board who are so self-righteous as to chastise a women who's only crime was trying to help people who were not as fortunate as she. Unbelievable.

[Iwo Jima]

It will be interesting to see exactly what, IF ANYTHING, this Emanneual and Wanda are charged with. In my opinion, we have only begun to see the bizarre facts of this case.

[homeschool mama]

bump

[Illbay]

Most of these people are NOT familiar with Occam's Razor.

BTW, what are you a "RecentConvert" to or from?

[webstersII]

"Most of these people are NOT familiar with Occam's Razor", he spoke from his lofty perch.