Can Iraq Hit America?

Newsweek ^ | March 17, 2003 | Daniel Klaidman and Christopher Dickey

[Storm Eagle]

"...as Washington threatens to bring Saddam’s own reign to an end, U.S. officials are afraid he might use such gruesome tactics against Americans. Outgunned on the traditional battlefield, Saddam is looking to fight back on his own terms. That, according to American officials, could mean any number of terror plots, from isolated assassinations of U.S. citizens overseas to biological or chemical attacks in the American heartland."

[Semper911]

Your post was much more interesting than the Newsweek article.

I heartily agree.

[Semper911]

Also, I had the sense that you know a lot more about this than what you included in your post.

[Judith Anne]

I remember the film "Amerika" where the invading enemy came through the southern border; your scenario is plausible.

[Bon mots]

Yes. The Iraqis can kill a lot of people. Every muslim is willing to help or hide these sickos.

We can kill a lot more of their people. We will probably have to before this is all over. An awful lot of them.

Just as WWII quickly descended into the decimation of civilian populations on both sides, this too may. Before this is over, our precision munitions may not be needed anymore.... except maybe in France or Germany.

[FairOpinion]

The Issue date on Magazines is usually a week later, than when they actually are available at the stand. Apparently the article is from the March 17th issue of Newsweek, which hits the stands on the 10th and is available until the 17th.

[ppaul]

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[Storm Eagle]

Interestingly the inquiry, which never made any of the news media (probably not smart at the time) didn't use the "leak" safeguards that one would expect for something of that magnitude. Actually, more "civilians" than one would expect knew a lot of the details concerning what was being alleged. The general details seemed much more preposterous at the time than it does now, so they probably calculated that letting people in on what was happening would generate more useful information than keeping a lid on it. I was one of those civilians. An FBI agent walked into my office in North Texas and started cross-checking some information that he had received already from internal documents, which I happened to see. I can tell you this -there were a lot of people who were intent on getting information and they had a tremendous sense of urgency. My speculation is that they may have let stuff leak to the degree that the bad guys would have figured out they were on their trail and called it off, which they obviously did. But what was disturbing was how big the picture was.

I can tell you that there were three main foci: the I-35 corridor from Dallas to OKC and the I-25 corridor from El Paso to Denver (Colorado)and the US 59 corridor from Houston up into Southeastern Oklahoma and Western Arkansas. There was a guy they were looking for big time who was supposedly on the feds' terrorist list as a Libyan agent, who actually turned out to be a Mexican operative for the Guadalajara mob who had once worked for Salinas. Crossover identities between Mexican and Arab is, and was then, quite common. Interestingly this guy, who used numerous aliases (I saw his mug shot), bore a striking resemblance to the sketch of John Doe Number 2 in the OKC flap.

[Walnut]

thanks, I thought I was slipping (smile)
I find the article like I said before very interesting. Its scarey . but I'm willing to do whatever I can to help America. Unfortunately I am past the sign up stage for the service but I'm not past the praying for our guys and America stage. and I can do that ok. Lets just pray it doesn't come to America

[Semper911]

The general details seemed much more preposterous at the time than it does now

The details sure don't seem preposterous now, and I hope they make their way to see the light of day, via the general media.

Do you have any sense that the Iraqi refugees we brought here after Gulf War I are or were involved in this? It seems much more than a coincidence that the geographic area you have described is exactly where we placed them after the war.

Thanks for taking the time to put this info up. I am fascinated by it.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

A coverup would certainly have fit the clinton agenda: weaken America, blame problems on the Christian right wing, offer shelter to the infiltrating minorities, stay out of any situation that would assert US power in the name of US interests.

[Domestic Church]

"Iraqis always wearing latex gloves at some of these shops"

Where are the shops? Lets get this out to the public and investigate. This sounds like the drone assembly system.

[Bulldogs22]

6th Trumpet Watch.

[FairOpinion]

"She went in to metion the Iraqis and how some of them have opened auto body shops but never do any business"
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It wouldn't hurt to report them to the FBI, you never know, let them check it out. It's easy enough even on the web from the FBI website, at http://www.fbi.gov

As for the latex gloves, those don't necessarily mean anything, I have seen auto-workers (non-terrorist types) wear them, to keep the oil and dirt from soaking into their hands, and latex gloves fit so well, that they don't hamper their work.

But if they have a shop open with almost no business, that surely sounds like it could be a front for something.

[billbears]

We must face it with the resolve of our forefathers.

Good. Then let's follow what the first President of these United States said. Pull out of NATO, SEATO, the UN, and every other treaty we've entangled ourselves in.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.--George Washington

Well, too late for that I guess. Might as well muck around as the world's policeman. BTW, has anyone heard how North Korea is doing on those nuclear missiles that can possibly reach the borders of these United States? And Iraq has missiles that go 110 miles? I know there's something in the owner's manual to this nation of states about defending our borders. Oh well, just some old nonsense right?

[Mo1]

I'm only mentioning what she said .. as for the FBI, I don't know if she has informed them of this, but they are aware of her other investigations

The local radio guy set up a meeting awhile back between her and Arlern Spector and Spector was to have sent this info off to the FBI ..

[prairiebreeze]

**"One grisly possibility, however remote: “human pathogens.”**

Shortly after 9/11 I was dining with a liberal physician. I brought up the subject of smallpox vaccinations and the need to move toward making them available again. The liberal MD disagreed vehemently citing too many risks of complications, and stated that the "ring vaccination" approach, should an outbreak occur, would be sufficient, all the while acknowleging that deaths would result from the outbreak. (Don't ask me to reconcile this "logic"...it's liberal-think.)

She further discounted your point about human pathogens explaining "well,they wouldn't do that because they would end up dying too." To which I loudly pointed out "I DON'T THINK THEY CARE!!"

Her obvious double-take belied her ignorance of the big-picture and enormity of these bio scenarios.

Prairie

[Grampa Dave]

One of these days we will learn about how the mass murdering Islamokazis of 9/11 learned how to high jack airliners at a training camp in Iraq.

[FairOpinion]

"well,they wouldn't do that because they would end up dying too."
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Apparently he was asleep on 9-11 and still didn't wake up to the reality that the perpetrating terrorists died to perform their murderous acts.

[FairOpinion]

One of these days we will learn about how the mass murdering Islamokazis of 9/11 learned how to high jack airliners at a training camp in Iraq.
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If this ends up showing up twice, I apologize, I tried to send it the first time and it looked like it didn't go.
Here is my point:

It shouldn't come as a shock to people:

"Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

Salman Pak, located 30-40 km SE of Baghdad, engaged in laboratory scale research on Anthrax, Botulinum toxin, Clostridium, perfringens (gas gangrene), mycotoxins, aflatoxins, and Ricin. Researchers at this site carried out toxicity evaluations of these agents and examined their growth characteristics and survivability.

Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror training camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into distinct sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage, assassination techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants trained on the other side of the camp, in an area separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire. The militants reportedly spent time training, usually in groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time. "

From: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

[geedee]

Well, too late for that I guess. Might as well muck around as the world's policeman. BTW, has anyone heard how North Korea is doing on those nuclear missiles that can possibly reach the borders of these United States? And Iraq has missiles that go 110 miles? I know there's something in the owner's manual to this nation of states about defending our borders. Oh well, just some old nonsense right?

Ahhh, someone spoiling for a fight without the time to address their beefs to the proper threads. Bringing North Korea and treaties and leaky borders and isolationist ideas and a simmering attitude to a thread about Iraq. Topics which, by the way, I too have doubts about but you seem to have made the assumption I didn't. Oh well, here we go.

Okay, billbears, what would you suggest we do? You say we should get out of every treaty we've entangled ourselves in. Okay, fine. Then what? The topic of this thread was . . . Can Iraq Hit America? If we get out of every treaty, regardless of whether they affect the Iraq situation or not, will "potential" Iraqi terrorists leave us alone then?

That's all I addressed in my post and I don't want to waste time debating issues with you that we probably agree on. So . . . what problems do you have with my take on the Iraq issue?