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Davidson deputies shoot bull that they say charged at them (14 times with AR-15/12ga.)
Winston-Salem Journal ^ | 3/4/03 | Patrick Wilson

Posted on 03/04/2003 10:32:55 AM PST by Rebelbase

"Witnesses question whether officers acted appropriately "

Two deputies with the Davidson County Sheriff's Office shot a bull about 14 times Saturday after it charged at them in a residential neighborhood near Tyro Middle School, authorities said.

No one was injured. The bull was alive and walking in its pasture hours after it was shot.

But when - or even if - the bull died was not clear yesterday.

Deputies were called about 11 a.m. to the 2900 block of Michael Road. One caller reported that a bull was charging at cars and people, according to the sheriff's incident report.

Deputies Brandon Cupp and William Sugg said there was a report that a large, white bull apparently broke through a pasture fence by a small utility station on Michael Road. The deputies could not find the bull's owner, and the bull charged several times at deputies and neighbors who had gone outside to help, said Lt. Sam Rabon.

Both deputies shot at the bull when it charged at them, Rabon said.

Sugg fired a 12-gauge shotgun and Cupp fired his handgun. The bull was hit several times in the head and left side from about 15 feet away.

"They were in fear that they were in imminent danger of being injured by the bull if they didn't shoot it," Rabon said. "Obviously, nobody wants to go out anywhere and shoot an animal. It was a last resort."

Cupp then got an AR-15 rifle from his car to kill the bull, the report said. The AR-15 is a civilian version of a military assault rifle that fires a relatively small bullet. "They realized they had shot the bull and it was probably suffering," Rabon said.

"The logical thing to think was we need to put it down and put it out of its misery."

Cupp and Sugg shot the bull again numerous times, but it jumped a fence and went back into the pasture with other cows.

The gunshots seemed to have little effect on the bull, Rabon said. It was walking in the pasture later.

According to reports filed by the deputies, the bull was shot about 14 times.

The owner of the pasture, Wayne Bame, was out of town Saturday. But a neighbor reached Bame and his wife by telephone, and they called Fred Mock, the superintendent of the Davidson County Schools.

Mock went to the scene and told deputies that he was related to the owner of the bull and that the owner was out of town.

Several hours after the bull was shot, Mock told deputies to stop trying to kill it, Rabon said. He told the deputies that the bull might live in spite of its injuries.

If the bull's injuries were too severe, it would be taken to a slaughterhouse, Mock told deputies.

The sheriff's office said it did not know the name of the bull's owner. Mock declined to comment yesterday on what happened to the bull, or give the name of his relative who owns it. The bull wasn't in its pasture yesterday.

Several neighbors watched the incident and questioned the deputies' decision to shoot.

Sam Hailey of Michael Road said that his wife called 911 when they saw the bull loose, but said that the animal could have been lured back into the pasture using cabbage as bait.

Hailey told deputies to cut the metal fence to let the bull back in the pasture, but the deputies didn't want to do that because cows in the pasture would get out, the sheriff's office said.

"It was a humongous bull," Hailey said. "It was one hell of a pretty bull, and they could have avoided shooting it."

The deputies at the scene told Hailey to go inside

his house, but he refused, the sheriff's office said.

Rabon said that the deputies shot to protect themselves, and that they were in a tough spot because the bull's owner and the property owner could not be found


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KEYWORDS: bull; donutwatch
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To: Rebelbase
That is funny and scary. I was taught never ever to fire a weapon at water and particularly at a shallow angle like your LEO bassmaster. The rounds will bounce off the surface and travel huge distances in uncertain directions.
41 posted on 03/04/2003 11:26:14 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: Stay the course
North Carolina couple killed by sheep last year too. They went to go look at the pretty sheep. Well the ram got the woman and when the man tried to rescue her, he got him too. The ram pounded them for an hour till they died.
42 posted on 03/04/2003 11:29:55 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: FreeTally
This just makes me laugh. Such a description is never used by the media when Joe Civilian has an AR-15. When in the hands of us peasants, it's a "high-powered assault sniper rifle"

Not always. When our local sheriff's department reequipped with German-made [then; they've got a US factory now] SIG 226 9mm semiauto handguns and a pair of AR15 rifles, we helpfully slugged the story with *Deputies get foreign assault pistols and rifles with grenade launchers* as a headline. At the time, BATF had declared that the flashhider on the end of many military and lookalike rifles was a *grenade launcher* since a rifle grenade *could* be fitted to some, though I missed the sale on 'em at the local Wal-mart. And the then-current attempted *assault weapons ban* limititing future magazine capacity to 10 shots, and the attempt to define anything greater as an assault pistol came back to haunt our badgetoters as well: all three of our local gun shops refused to sell full-capacity magazines to the cops unless they had military ID, since such equipment was restricted for *civilians.*

43 posted on 03/04/2003 11:31:23 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: nothingnew
"We bulls wobble but we don't fall down".

LOL! Brilliant!

44 posted on 03/04/2003 11:31:28 AM PST by Snowy (Dry Clean Only)
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To: Rebelbase
These guys carry guns and are supposed to protect people? They would starve to death surrounded by beef on the hoof. Yet another gaggle of cops who should be patrolling malls with mini-maglites.
45 posted on 03/04/2003 11:31:53 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Rebelbase
Always carry dog biscuits, sweet feed grain, and a 30-06 Thompson Contender in the trunk of your car. Guaranteed to solve any rural problem.
46 posted on 03/04/2003 11:32:42 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: Rebelbase
First option is to shoot... then shoot again... then shoot again. No need to try to think of better ways of getting the property back to its owner.

Does Animal Control do the same thing nowadays with strays?

47 posted on 03/04/2003 11:34:56 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Rebelbase; wardaddy; Travis McGee; harpseal

Look at that friggin wannabe in the picture, BDU's ,combat boots, LBE ect ect and knowledgeable regarding shooting at water and his down range hazards........What a POS LEO loser.

Stay Safe !

48 posted on 03/04/2003 11:36:51 AM PST by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: cavtrooper21; Vic3O3
Hey Cav, looks like your best buddy Sungirl has been banned!

Semper Fi
49 posted on 03/04/2003 11:38:51 AM PST by dd5339 (Lookout Texas here we come!)
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To: RobRoy; Terriergal
I miss sungirl.

Okay, I'll do my best..........

You wouldn't be laughing if the bull had a gun!!!

Thats what we should do, give the bulls guns and make you cow-hunters eat grass and give milk all day. That would teach you a lesson.

And give the bull your TV remote too. You would have to watch the PETA sponsored all cheese channel all day. And take your fur coats and make your shoes out of wood and...and...and......

...............pant......pant......

50 posted on 03/04/2003 11:42:34 AM PST by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: blackdog
I got some Horned Dorsets I'll trade ya. They most certainly can do damage. Them horns hurt.
51 posted on 03/04/2003 11:43:38 AM PST by sparkomatic (I wish I were gullible; then I'd be like everyone else)
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To: Squantos
LOL..
52 posted on 03/04/2003 11:44:27 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: blackdog
Sadly....that reminds me of a goat rustling adventure I was involved in at around age 18 (my excuse) and no, I'm not going to elaborate here except to say that the goat was one tough MFer and gave as good as he got to the bitter end. And he tasted like sh!te after all that effort.
53 posted on 03/04/2003 11:47:13 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: blackdog
I corralled 4 horses running loose down a country lane all by my lonesome years ago. In retrospect, its a good thing I waited to get them penned up before calling the sheriff.
54 posted on 03/04/2003 11:50:21 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
..police BBQ this weekend.

Wait, you don't understand. Here in Hege country they don't BBQ bovines, only porcines.

Yes folks, we live in Davidson County, NC. Never a dull moment in Hege country. Since we're mostly rural I would have expected the deputies to know more about farm animals. Maybe they just got bored....

55 posted on 03/04/2003 11:51:02 AM PST by mommybain
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To: RobRoy
They banned Sungirl?!?! She'd been around since 1998! What'd she do?
56 posted on 03/04/2003 11:58:41 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: sparkomatic
My Polled Dorsets are my best ewes. Followed by Clun Forest-Dorset crosses, and lastly Suffolks. I bred Texel sires two years in a row and got sheep with no mass. I went to Suffolk sire this season. I have three Oxford-Dorset crosses that have the Boroola gene and are mighty prolific.
57 posted on 03/04/2003 12:08:52 PM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: mommybain
Ah, but will the cops ever settle the dispute over proper babeque sauce? Vinegar based or ketchup based? A genuine southern argument......
58 posted on 03/04/2003 12:11:27 PM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Ultimately, I got the feeling it was too much whining and name calling. I think Terriergal has the real scoop. She was on the thread when it happened, from what I understand.
59 posted on 03/04/2003 12:22:12 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: blackdog
You just talked way over my head. I'm not into it that much. We've been raising Horned Dorsets for 3 years now for 4-H. But there simply aren't enough of them around for it to be an easy breed to work with. The suffolks on the other hand are so prolific, you don't stand a chance of placing in class unless you really have something or cheat.
A local Tunis breeder is offering club lambs this year with an incentive of a free lamb drawing for anyone who purchases from him. There are beginning to be more and more of these lambs, but they're so tiny I don't see how they could ever stand a chance at winning overall.
60 posted on 03/04/2003 12:34:40 PM PST by sparkomatic (I wish I were gullible; then I'd be like everyone else)
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