LIVE THREAD: Estrada Filibuster

http://freerepublic.com ^ | March 3, 2003

[Howlin]

Live stream from C-SPAN

Comments and discussion of the live coverage of the continuing Estrada filibuster.

[Howlin]

I cannot abide that man! Such a liar!

[mabelkitty]

If Graham is using his health to avoid talking on Estrada, then perhaps he should go back home to Florida to recuperate until he is healthier enough to take up the issue.

[RobFromGa]

Leahy:

Bashing President Bush for his poor response to funding local Homeland security.

American people should not send sons and daughters without knowing how much it will cost? WHAT A JERK...

[deport]

why then would not 51 votes put Astrada on the bench?

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Because the Senate Rules do not provide for time limits on debate... The call to vote must be agreed to by all or it doesn't occur. If it ever occurs on the Up or Down on Estrada he'll win with the 55 that has said they've vote for his confirmation. It's getting to that vote that is the problem.

To shut down the debate cloture is a possibility. That requires 60 votes by the Senators to start the process of bringing it to a vote under the cloture rule.

[TLBSHOW]

To: RobFromGa

Rush:

Strategy is that the Senators have respect for Senate, don't want to change rules.

I don't think Rush sounds like he particularly likes the explanation he is giving for this.


291 posted on 03/03/2003 2:25 PM EST by RobFromGa (Free Miguel

If I was Rush I would of done more homework because he sure did not sound like he likes the explanation he is giving for this and I agree. Its BS......

[Political Junkie Too]

I don't think it was the same advise and consent. One is for placing someone on the court, and the other is for making someone Chief Justice. Make an Associate Justice a Chief Justice, to me, isn't even the same elevation as making a Circuit Court Judge a Supreme Court Judge.

In Fortas' case, he was already on the bench, and his voice would be heard no matter what. With Estrada, his placement on the bench changes the makeup of the bench. That's why this filibuster is a direct attack on the president's ability to place judges, while the Fortas filibuster wasn't an attack on the president's ability to place judges.

-PJ

[Jen]

Hi Rob. Yeah, I'm listening. He's despicable! What does that have to do with Estrada anyway?

[mabelkitty]

In the future, can we just up and down vote without debate?

[RobFromGa]

Leahy: Harping on the cost of the Iraq war. Everyone knows it will be more than $0. Real explanation WH doesn't ask for money because in this recession, with millions of jobs lost, more jobs lost than any other President in his lifetime, the American people will say no,.

I hate this guy...

[LisaFab]

Leahy needs some new writers on his staff. Either that or the filibuster is finally taking its toll on these traitors. I can usually stay awake for about 3 1/2 minutes of Leahy - but today...ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

[RobFromGa]

Leahy:

Thankfully we had a regime change in the Senate last November.

Our closet allies (I guess he meand France, etal) want to make this work. Bush is "reckless":, has squandered our reservoir of good will around the world. How did he squander this good will so quickly?

Still hating him...

[aristeides]

Article II, Section 2, Paragraph 2 of U.S. Constitution (in part): "... and he [the President] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law..."

I make that only one advice and consent for all federal judges.

[Cate]

I emailed our senator Max Baucus (D-MT) this weekend and I received an email back stating that he is firmly going to vote no against Estrada. Dork.

[ez]

Real explanation WH doesn't ask for money (for Iraq)because in this recession, with millions of jobs lost, more jobs lost than any other President in his lifetime, the American people will say no,.

So let's put the American people to work making munitions.

[deport]

In the future, can we just up and down vote without debate?

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I don't understand the question completely.... but if you mean if Cloture is agreed to then at the final end of the cloture process it's an up or down vote. The answer is yes. But there are at least 30 more hours of debate possible under cloture plus other restrictions on amendments, limits on senator's debate time, etc.

[Dolphy]

I can't stand him either, thankfully I am at the office and can't hear him.

Reading here I see that the Dems will use their time to bash the President in an effort to get the Republicans to shut them up. Has anybody spoken about the questions that Estrada was made available to answer?

[PhiKapMom]

Did you all hear Rush this afternoon. He was on the radio when I was coming back from Tinker talking about the article he relied on last Friday as being less than accurate on the Estrada nomination.

Finally he got it that a cloture vote does not kill the nominations and the more you put the RATs on record of oppossing Estrada the better it is. Right now they don't want to force a cloture vote but they will sooner or later and keep doing it until the RATs cave.

In fact, Rush said the Republicans are sure they have 55 votes and could have more!

Wouldn't you know, I get back and Leahy is on! UGH!

[woodyinscc]

He rmained for just a short while, if I recollect
correctly. I think it came out that he received money from left wing org. while srving as Associate Justice. It forced him to resign. I think Rehnquist was nominated to his seat when Nixon won the 68 election. Johnson had app. a Justice
temporarily.

[ez]

I emailed our senator Max Baucus (D-MT) this weekend and I received an email back stating that he is firmly going to vote no against Estrada. Dork.

So when did he say he would allow that vote to take place?

We should be hammering the Dem Senators to ALLOW THE VOTE.

[RobFromGa]

Leahy:

More Bush-bashing, this time over deficits.

Let's hope the advisers are right and Iraq war only takes a few weeks.(trying to set up the highest possible bar for our soldiers to jump over). Talking about his soldier Son.

Hoping oil wells not blown up, hope few civilians killed, hope Arab street doesn't rise up, hope Saddam doesn't use chem and bio weapons.

Hope President Bush's secret vision comes true. Nut imaging even one of these bads things happen. War is unpredictable. Now talking about Gulf War Syndrome, ...

Wants to give the UN inspectors more time.

He's a Chicken Little and I am sure that President Bush has considered each of these issues in far greater detail than Leaky.