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Idiot GOP Senate Set to Shaft Estrada?
rushlimbaugh ^ | 2/28/2003 | rushlimbaugh

Posted on 02/28/2003 5:57:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW

I am more frosted at the Democrats for what they're doing to the Constitution vis-à-vis Miguel Estrada's than I am over the anti-war movement. Fox News reported that the GOP planned to call for a cloture vote on Estrada next week knowing they'd lose it. That would effectively amend the Constitution - illegally - to read that you need 60 votes instead of 51 to get a judicial nomination through.

Happily, it turns out the GOP isn't going to call such a vote. The offices of Senators Santorum and Hatch rang up my office on Friday, and said that the Fox story is not accurate. There will be no cloture vote. Hooray! If these Democrats want to filibuster the first Hispanic nominee to the D.C. Circuit Court, let them do it! I know they say there are new rules making a filibuster harder, but so what? And don't tell me that it's not "practical" anymore, because people have to go to the bathroom. That's nothing new.

Force them to get out there and filibuster this eminently qualified man, as rated unanimously by the American Bar Association. Miguel Estrada is just a name to us, but his life is being destroyed here. It's not because he's unqualified; it's because Democrats don't like how he might think. Read George Will's column. Chuck Schumer didn't bother to ask Estrada a single question. He claims not to know any less qualified judge, when in fact he knows less qualified judges who went to the Supreme Court! Just this week, President Bush pledged to stand by Estrada until he was sworn in. We know no other nominee has been asked to give nor should give opinions on issues that may come before the court. Their job is to apply the law, not to make law or let their opinions get in the way of rulings.

These senators have to back Bush and Estrada up. The Democrat attitude is, "We ran Washington for 40 years up until 1994, and Bush is illegitimate despite what the Constitution says about the Electoral College, so he has no right to appoint anyone." These people are treating the Constitution like toilet paper. Calling a cloture vote would overturn more than two centuries of Senate precedent and rewrite the constitutional definition of "advise and consent." We cannot allow that to happen. You have to care about this, folks!

These people aren't Democrats or liberals. They don't believe in the Constitution. They don't believe in individual rights, as affirmed in the 9th Amendment; in sharing power with the states, as described in the 10th Amendment; in free political speech protected in the 1st Amendment and shredded in campaign finance reform. They don't support the right to bear arms provided for in the 2nd Amendment. They don't respect private property rights protected by the 5th Amendment! If there's a blade of grass in the backyard, they call it "wetlands" and take it away! This assault must stop.

Listen to Rush...

(...react to the Fox News story, and reject the notion of a cloture vote by the GOP) (...demand Democrats be made to pay a price for shredding the Constitution)

Read More of Rush's Estrada Coverage… (Rush On A Roll: Anatomy of a Smear) (Rush On A Roll: Want Estrada? Declare Linda Daschle DOA) (The Limbaugh Library: Ken Starr Tips Us Off on Estrada) (EIB A-B: Estrada Qualifications Blow Away Breyer and Ginsburg)

Read the Questionable Fox News Article...

(FoxNews: Republicans Seek to End Debate on Estrada)

Read the George Will Column on Estrada...

(Washington Post: Coup Against the Constitution - George F. Will)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; estradafilibuster; filibuster; gop; rushlimbaugh; senatedemocrats
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To: TLBSHOW
You're so busted; run away.
441 posted on 03/01/2003 3:21:40 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW
What toys come with a Happy Meal these days?
442 posted on 03/01/2003 3:22:47 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: altura
Heck, I cleaned up my entire house, hung about 10 pictures, hung a lamp, did the laundry and put it away, and have been babysitting for two of my grandchildren!
443 posted on 03/01/2003 3:22:53 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Unfortunately, we have seen over and over again that when TLBSHOW is busted, he still does not go away. Hope springs eternal, however.
444 posted on 03/01/2003 3:23:57 PM PST by Wait4Truth (God Bless our President!)
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To: Howlin
No, sorry, I wasn't clear. His point was that the Fox story was true when it was reported; the pubbie strategy changed when their position grew stronger during the day. Tony at that point, when talking to Sean, already knew they weren't going to do a cloture vote, but he was telling Sean that indeed had been the plan earlier.


432 posted on 03/01/2003 6:14 PM EST by M. Thatcher

Chicken and salt potatoes with Green beans yummy! LOL

You are so busted!
445 posted on 03/01/2003 3:24:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: deport
Here is the relevant escerpt from the Fox article:

"The last thing we want to do is to raise the bar for this particular nominee to 60 votes. Obviously, we can't stay on this issue forever," said Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., speaking with a tone of defeat already expressed by several Republicans.

"Miguel Estrada could lose," said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.

"I feel sorry for his family. I feel sorry for him. I only hope that if they succeed in denying him this, that he will not assume that we are like that," said Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M.

Frist told Fox News that he had no choice but to call the Democrats' bluff on the filibuster. A vote is scheduled for next Tuesday. [FOX CHANGED THIS TO: A decision is expected Monday and a vote could come as early as mid-week next week.]

"I would think the battle is just beginning. At that juncture, we would know who we need to talk to. I've got a feeling, I've got a sense that Democrats are entrenched, and our goal is to pull them out of those trenches. It may take a few days. It may take a few weeks — it may take months —but it's my goal to pull them out of those trenches."

This was a bad article when it appeared and we all discussed it at the time as poorly written and out of character for the GOP Senators involved. Fox does owe some explanation for this article, IMO. Revised Article is still here on Fox Republicans Try To Break Filibuster on Estrada

446 posted on 03/01/2003 3:26:57 PM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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To: TLBSHOW
Have fun storming the (bouncy inflatable Mc)castle.
447 posted on 03/01/2003 3:28:32 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Howlin
There was at least ONE point when he said the Fox story was wrong.

Posted by TLBSHOW to ArcLight
On News/Activism ^ 02/28/2003 11:30 AM PST #190 of 491 ^

Sorry the site locked up.

Breaking

Rush just had a call from Hatch and he says that the fox story is not correct and there is no vote for Tuesday and that to have a real filibuster like the past can't happen because the senate changed the rules about 20 years ago? Anyone know about that one?

The battle does go on we are told.....

that is good news....I hope!

Oh and Rick's office called Rush too!

So I was wrong and the fox story was wrong where I based my thoughts on this from this.

TLBSHOW ADMITS FOX STORY WAS WRONG

448 posted on 03/01/2003 3:30:14 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: TLBSHOW
Chicken and salt potatoes with Green beans yummy! LOL


Does that make the tummy get larger....

Had any turnips lately?
449 posted on 03/01/2003 3:34:32 PM PST by deport (Did the TURNIP TRUCK pass by last night?..........)
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To: PhiKapMom
bottom line the story was basically true an sound and after Rush slammed the GOP they changed their tune...

Thank God.... Now we will see this week just how much spine the GOP will grow this weekend.........
450 posted on 03/01/2003 3:34:40 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: RobFromGa
I know that's the article excerpt but what I'm saying is that I think this is quotes being picked up from the floor debate that night.... Not quotes given directly to Fox news. Now they did list the Frist interview as an Exclusive....
451 posted on 03/01/2003 3:36:51 PM PST by deport (Did the TURNIP TRUCK pass by last night?..........)
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To: TLBSHOW
basically true


Is that sorta like being halfway pregnant?

Either it's true or it isn't......
452 posted on 03/01/2003 3:38:52 PM PST by deport (Did the TURNIP TRUCK pass by last night?..........)
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To: justshe
Good point .. LOL
453 posted on 03/01/2003 3:39:16 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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To: TLBSHOW
See 448.

You are now on record as claiming the Fox story was FALSE and TRUE, all on the same thread.

Once again, you're wrong -- either way.

454 posted on 03/01/2003 3:41:13 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW
bottom line the story was basically true an sound and after Rush slammed the GOP they changed their tune...

We can just add that to the lists of your prevarications.

455 posted on 03/01/2003 3:42:02 PM PST by Howlin
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To: deport; PhiKapMom; TLBSHOW; Howlin; All
Someone at FoxNews might need to explain themselves on the one discrepancy that I highlighted above where they changed from "vote Tuesday" to "consider vote Monday for later". The fact they haven't leads me to wonder why they haven'e been demanded to do so. Maybe we wouldn't be happy if they did.

That is either a Fox mistake or a Frist mistake, and there is a lot else going on in the world that could have forced a change in strategy that we are not privy to. I don't believe for a second that Rush callers changed anything, but there are other considerations that sould have changed plans.

No one in their right mind thinks that this is Numero Uno on Bush's mind right now. The timing on this takes its priority from other events.

Maybe it all is hard to follow right now because we Freepers don't know everything.

I mean really, any of right now could move our discussion totally to a thread on Gulf War 2, or Al Qaeda, or the Turkey situation, or North Korea, or the UN vote, or the Economy...(ad infinitum).

President Bush and his team must deal with all these simultaneously. (plus lack of sleep over TLBSHOW doubting him). We don't know everything guys.
456 posted on 03/01/2003 3:48:36 PM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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To: TLBSHOW
Please pick one from the following quotes as your opinion:

A. "So I was wrong and the fox story was wrong where I based my thoughts on this from this."
190 posted on 02/28/2003 11:30 AM PST by TLBSHOW
HERE

B. "I apologized for going by the fox story as written last night for part of my opinion"
129 posted on 02/28/2003 10:12 PM PST by TLBSHOW
ON THIS VERY THREAD

C. "Fox news wrote it and printed it so until they say its wrong its right."
399 posted on 03/01/2003 2:46 PM PST by TLBSHOW
ON THIS VERY THREAD

D. I really am confused and pick all of the above.

You may have exceeded the allowable number of flip-flops with THIS issue, Todd.

457 posted on 03/01/2003 3:51:42 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: RobFromGa
And don't forget Rush got suckered into this one too. He just had the sense to drop it and let the GOP have the benefit of the doubt.

If Fox got this wrong, they should admit it. Not just change the wording and ignore the original version. But, just maybe they are laying off the story for the good of the GOP.
458 posted on 03/01/2003 3:52:59 PM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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To: CWW
What a bunch of leaders:
(1) Bastard Democrats
(2) Castrated GOP Senate Leaders (an oxymoron, I know)

These clowns could stumble over a gum wrapper!!!
459 posted on 03/01/2003 3:58:03 PM PST by pointsal
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To: deport
This was a very bad article on Foxnews website-- we discussed it when it came out as a bad article. Why is it still there?
460 posted on 03/01/2003 3:58:47 PM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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