Idiot GOP Senate Set to Shaft Estrada?

rushlimbaugh ^ | 2/28/2003 | rushlimbaugh

[TLBSHOW]

I am more frosted at the Democrats for what they're doing to the Constitution vis-à-vis Miguel Estrada's than I am over the anti-war movement. Fox News reported that the GOP planned to call for a cloture vote on Estrada next week knowing they'd lose it. That would effectively amend the Constitution - illegally - to read that you need 60 votes instead of 51 to get a judicial nomination through.

Happily, it turns out the GOP isn't going to call such a vote. The offices of Senators Santorum and Hatch rang up my office on Friday, and said that the Fox story is not accurate. There will be no cloture vote. Hooray! If these Democrats want to filibuster the first Hispanic nominee to the D.C. Circuit Court, let them do it! I know they say there are new rules making a filibuster harder, but so what? And don't tell me that it's not "practical" anymore, because people have to go to the bathroom. That's nothing new.

Force them to get out there and filibuster this eminently qualified man, as rated unanimously by the American Bar Association. Miguel Estrada is just a name to us, but his life is being destroyed here. It's not because he's unqualified; it's because Democrats don't like how he might think. Read George Will's column. Chuck Schumer didn't bother to ask Estrada a single question. He claims not to know any less qualified judge, when in fact he knows less qualified judges who went to the Supreme Court! Just this week, President Bush pledged to stand by Estrada until he was sworn in. We know no other nominee has been asked to give nor should give opinions on issues that may come before the court. Their job is to apply the law, not to make law or let their opinions get in the way of rulings.

These senators have to back Bush and Estrada up. The Democrat attitude is, "We ran Washington for 40 years up until 1994, and Bush is illegitimate despite what the Constitution says about the Electoral College, so he has no right to appoint anyone." These people are treating the Constitution like toilet paper. Calling a cloture vote would overturn more than two centuries of Senate precedent and rewrite the constitutional definition of "advise and consent." We cannot allow that to happen. You have to care about this, folks!

These people aren't Democrats or liberals. They don't believe in the Constitution. They don't believe in individual rights, as affirmed in the 9th Amendment; in sharing power with the states, as described in the 10th Amendment; in free political speech protected in the 1st Amendment and shredded in campaign finance reform. They don't support the right to bear arms provided for in the 2nd Amendment. They don't respect private property rights protected by the 5th Amendment! If there's a blade of grass in the backyard, they call it "wetlands" and take it away! This assault must stop.

Listen to Rush...

(...react to the Fox News story, and reject the notion of a cloture vote by the GOP) (...demand Democrats be made to pay a price for shredding the Constitution)

Read More of Rush's Estrada Coverage… (Rush On A Roll: Anatomy of a Smear) (Rush On A Roll: Want Estrada? Declare Linda Daschle DOA) (The Limbaugh Library: Ken Starr Tips Us Off on Estrada) (EIB A-B: Estrada Qualifications Blow Away Breyer and Ginsburg)

Read the Questionable Fox News Article...

(FoxNews: Republicans Seek to End Debate on Estrada)

Read the George Will Column on Estrada...

(Washington Post: Coup Against the Constitution - George F. Will)

[Amelia]

TLBSHOW's contention has been PROVED demonstrably false. Yet he persists in repeating himself over and over and over in the face of proof positive of numerous errors in the Fox story.

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Ever feel like you're beating your head up against a wall?

[M. Thatcher]

I heard Tony Snow discussing this on the Sean Hannity show yesterday afternoon - Tony basically stood by the Fox story, explaining that the Fox piece was sound at the time it was reported; however, the Republican position had grown stronger during the day (yesterday).

I report, you decide.

[Diddle E. Squat]

while we are at it:


http://www.askoxford.com/dictionary/idiot

idiot

/"dt/ noun 1 stupid person. 2 person too deficient in mind to be capable of rational conduct. idiotic /-"t-/ adjective.

·1 ass, blockhead, (slang) bonehead, booby, (colloquial) chump, clot, cretin, dimwit, dolt, (slang) dope, (colloquial) duffer, dummy, dunce, dunderhead, fat-head, fool, halfwit, ignoramus, imbecile, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, simpleton, (slang) twerp, twit. idiotic see STUPID.

[PhiKapMom]

Here is what I was told -- the comments that appeared in the article were taken out of context.

Example: "Estrada nomination is going to be hard to get through the Senate but we are not going to give up on Estrada until he is on the bench." Now an article comes out: "Estrada nomination is going to be hard to get through the Senate."

Those are not exact words but an example of what I was told happened. The journalist has not put extra words in the article but what he has done is left out words that change the meaning of what was said.

Thus you have an entirely different meaning when words are taken out of context.

[justshe]

I have long thought that a good political move re: the Estrada nomination would be to force a filibuster with the war commencing. I agree.

[RobFromGa]

How to get out of this corner? Hhmmm..

TLB should change his name to BushLovinMan and start fighting with TLBSHOW on this thread, that's what I'd do.

And later tonight TLB can post an opus of how BushLovinMan has finally defeated him once and for all, and is truly someone to be feared in verbal battles. And TLB will leave, and everyone will cry, and BushLovinMan will say Good Riddance to that claptrap (add in some imaginary friends and we have a good plan here).

[Diddle E. Squat]

Oh, I am sure that Rush has been unable to sleep for days already. Frist and Bush too for that matter. They told me themselves this morning when we jogged together.

That's funny, there is a message on my answering machine from Dick Cheney saying the exact same thing. I hope Janeane Gawaterbuffalo doesn't find out.

[justshe]

Then Tony was also wrong.....because what was reported did not occur. I watched....and listened....Thursday night.

No cloture vote was filed. Just didn't happen. So I will put Tony in the 'egg on the face' column, I guess.

[deport]

Actually I think Sen. Hatch made the comment [about Estrada could lose] on the Senate floor that night during one of his comments. And that's true..... only time will tell

You are correct that no one especially TLBSHOW and RUSH LIMBAUGH know what the plans are. They would like for you to believe they are all important and the world jumps to their radio program or their cut/paste on a forum.

Turkey just threw a wrench in the plans today. So things are still in disarray but in due course they will be put in place. So the 'gifter' and the self promoter will have to wait and take things as they come. Only idiots think they have all the answers.

[TLBSHOW]

Did you just say Tony Snow said the Fox story is correct? Or was it sound? here
I heard Tony Snow discussing this on the Sean Hannity show yesterday afternoon - Tony basically stood by the Fox story, explaining that the Fox piece was sound at the time it was reported; however, the Republican position had grown stronger during the day (yesterday).
M. Thatcher
in post #422

I hate to be called a lair so I want to make sure I read you correct! LOL

[Howlin]

Is this statement true:

and its clear to me that the Gop was going to cave until the outrage from Rush against the GOP was on his show for almost 2 hours yesterday and the calls started to pour in about the peoples outrage

[M. Thatcher]

Then Tony was also wrong.....because what was reported did not occur. I watched....and listened....Thursday night. No cloture vote was filed. Just didn't happen. So I will put Tony in the 'egg on the face' column, I guess.

No, sorry, I wasn't clear. His point was that the Fox story was true when it was reported; the pubbie strategy changed when their position grew stronger during the day. Tony at that point, when talking to Sean, already knew they weren't going to do a cloture vote, but he was telling Sean that indeed had been the plan earlier.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Lair, lair, pants on fair.

[Wait4Truth]

LOL! I suspect that he already has imaginary friends, though! This is one of the most ridiculous threads I have ever seen on FR. Decent truth-loving freepers having to contend with one person that refuses to accept reality.

[PhiKapMom]

Frist told Fox News that he had no choice but to call the Democrats' bluff on the filibuster. A vote is scheduled for next Tuesday. (from story)

The last sentence was wrong. They never planned to vote on Tuesday -- never, ever!

Since you brought up the article, here are the first paragraphs with my comments:

WASHINGTON — History was made in the U.S. Senate Thursday, but it wasn't the kind that Republicans or the Bush administration wanted to confront. (That is an outright lie! History was not made in the Senate Wednesday night!)

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist decided to call a procedural vote to break a Democratic filibuster against U.S. Court of Appeals nominee Miguel Estrada. The filibuster against a judicial candidate was historical in itself. (The procedural vote was a quorum call only to bring Senators to the floor and was not a vote to end a filibuster -- if Garrett had bothered to watch the proceedings he would have known that)

The decision to call for a "cloture" vote on an appellate court nominee overturned more than two centuries of Senate precedent and rewrote the constitutional definition of "advise and consent." Never before has a nominee been caught this deep in the web of Senate politics. (The bolded part is a lie! There was no "cloture" vote" on Wednesday night! To put that in the beginning of the article was a lie! Don't know what else to call it except if you want to be kind, you can call it bad reporting!)

Now that is just the first paragraphs of the article and anyone reading can see that was not a TRIAL BALLOON. Maybe Senator Frist better think twice about talking to Major Garrett in the future!

80 posted on 02/28/2003 10:38 PM CST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004) -------------------- Now I posted the above excerpt from the original article on here. These three paragraphs have been changed in the new Fox article and deleted. Your comment you decide. Well I did decide about Fox News reporting and Major Garrett. There was NEVER a procedural vote to end the filibuster. And then he talks about the clouture vote -- there wasn't that either. Senator Frist called for two Quorum calls, and then a unanimous consent to ask for a vote with the RATs objected to. The Quorum calls are get the members of the Senate to the floor and used for Senators to the time to discuss items off the floor. Now if the first three paragraphs of the original are are proven to be wrong, how can Snow stand by the original Fox report not to mention Fox News Channel changed the original article. If anyone here thinks I will take the word of any News Channel or writer when I heard it and saw it for myself, then they can think again.

[Howlin]

You do understand, don't you, that what M. Thatcher said is EXACTLY what everybody tried to tell you YESTERDAY? That by the time Rush was reading it, the story was wrong?

And yet here it is on Saturday and you continue to say that the Fox story was true.

[Howlin]

Looks like he's now going to call Tony Snow a liar.

[altura]

I went to the mall and did my walk, went to PetSmart and picked up some puppy food and took a nap, and when I got back to the computer I pulled up latest posts and ....

Howlin and TLBShow are still fighting!

What stamina!

LOL

[PhiKapMom]

There is a Senate rule that you have to have the motion to invoke cloture given to the clerk of the Senate 48 hours before you vote. The Senate was not in session when this interview was done, so how could a motion to invoke cloture for a Tuesday vote even be a subject of discussion when it wasn't introduced in the Senate on Thursday before adjournment.

Do I think Snow was covering for Garrett and his reporting, you bet I do! Garrett was already disproved about his opening of the article which BTW Fox removed from the new article. The first three paragraph (I didn't check the rest) were changed! So already the original article that Rush used was wrong!

[TLBSHOW]

Whatever you are trying to sell I am not buying...

See ya! time for dinner!