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[Civil Disobedience Now!] JUDGES WHO BANNED THE PLEDGE MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE BENCH
Catholic League ^ | 2-28-2003 | William Donohue

Posted on 02/28/2003 2:42:55 PM PST by Notwithstanding

Catholic League president William Donohue commented on the decision reached today by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upholding a challenge to its decision banning the Pledge of Allegiance because of the words “under God.” Here are his remarks:

“Two things need to be done immediately: teachers and students should practice civil disobedience and the judges must be impeached.

“It is up to the teachers in the nine western states affected by this decision to break the law: they should instruct their students on the meaning of civil disobedience and then practice it. All they need to do is call the cops and local TV reporters and then recite the Pledge of Allegiance in their presence. It needs to be shown on television all over the world that as the U.S. prepares to go to war to maintain the liberties symbolized in the Pledge, there are brave men, women and children at home who are prepared to fight tyranny on our own soil.

“Iraq’s problem is tyranny of the minority. Ironically, that’s our problem as well. But the Iraqi people at least stand to be liberated and have their tyrant deposed. We need to do the same with ours, albeit with different means: impeachment proceedings against the two federal judges who made this decision should commence as soon as possible. Make no mistake about it, it is not enough for the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn this ruling. Judicial malpractice has been committed and those responsible must be removed from the bench. They should be removed not because most Americans disagree with them but because of jurisprudential incompetence.”


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KEYWORDS: flag; ninthcircuit; patriotism; pledge; williamdonohue
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To: elfman2 on another computer
You won't even fight one bit about this; you don't give a crap when judges exceed their authority.

And that is telling.
141 posted on 03/01/2003 12:31:19 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: E Rocc
Your point about the Constitution not including reference to God is not good logic. Yes, God is not mentioned. However, it is the document establishing the rules for the government. While I certainly agree that it is curious to not even have anything in the preamble of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence is what explained our philosophy of government. That is why God is mentioned there, while the Costitutition, which dealt with the nuts and bolts of how things would run, did not.
142 posted on 03/01/2003 12:36:15 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: rwfromkansas
Then the proper course is to push it through the legislative branch.

You're right

It is sickening that you are willing to support the court's misinterpretation of the First Amendment for your personal agenda to get carried through.
That is very low.

It would be if I had done it.
I supported the phrases being removed from the money and the pledge. I did not support the courts decision or removing them by judicial loonieness. I don't think the 9th Circuit has ever made a ruling I did support.

They have some wonderful reading comprehension programs available on CD.

So9

143 posted on 03/01/2003 12:38:53 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: E Rocc
BTW, we can spend all day looking at the statements of individual delegates and send jabs at eachother. That hardly establishes what the Constitution intended in regards to religion. For that, check out the "major" founders and folks in charge of the First Amendment. Statements by Madison when he introduced the First Amendment were quite interesting; check them out.
144 posted on 03/01/2003 12:39:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: CoolGuyVic
Looks like I will have to say this to you as well:

Then the proper course is to push it through the legislative branch.

It is sickening that you are willing to support the court's misinterpretation of the First Amendment for your personal agenda to get carried through.

That is very low.
145 posted on 03/01/2003 12:45:26 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: E Rocc
You are only looking at ONE SIDE of history and law, so you are just the hypocrite you claim not to be.
146 posted on 03/01/2003 12:46:44 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: E Rocc
Funny.....I believe it was "rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God" or something very close that was Jefferson's motto.

It seems that he did believe in obeying God, though of course his god is not the Christian God.
147 posted on 03/01/2003 12:49:27 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: dixierose
You can't force someone to say the words. That is the whole point!!!! Even beofre the 9th circuit, you could not force someone to say "under God." I sometimes chose to leave out "indivisible" myself.

The Scotus has made it clear for decades that you can't force someone to participate in the Pledge if it is against their beliefs.
148 posted on 03/01/2003 12:53:18 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: rwfromkansas
"The Scotus has made it clear for decades that you can't force someone to participate in the Pledge if it is against their beliefs."

Kind of like biting the hand that feeds them.
149 posted on 03/01/2003 1:01:37 PM PST by SealSeven ("I feel so much better now that I have given up all hope.")
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To: Centurion2000
No, just not thinking very well. Look at creation and you will see your creator's hand at

I've been told this before, but I still cannot bring myself to believe it. I cannot explain how the universe came to be, but I also realise that inventing some intelligent creator to explain it all even when I don't have all of the facts (ie, a completely working knowledge of all of the physical properties of everything in the universe) is a premature leap. Further, even if I did assume some intelligent creator, I still don't see how I would discern any intent, motive, disposition or any other attribute other than "ability to create universe" to attach to this creator.
150 posted on 03/01/2003 1:16:52 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Notwithstanding
Its quite simple. What kids have done for decades is now banned. The pledge has been censored.

You are implying that it is now illegal for any student to utter the Pledge with the "Under God" inclusion in public schools. This is not the case. This is much like people whining that students are no longer legally allowed to pray in public schools despite the fact that not a single court case has made such a ruling.
151 posted on 03/01/2003 1:18:26 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Notwithstanding
William Donohue is a true defender of Civil Rights.. for all of us.
152 posted on 03/01/2003 1:54:52 PM PST by friendly
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To: Servant of the Nine
Didn't Ike get the words "under God" inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance ... shortly after we and our allies won World War Two?
153 posted on 03/01/2003 2:03:24 PM PST by GretchenEE (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: rwfromkansas
The comparison is beyond a stretch. We have a peaceful way to change leaders, judges, and the rest in this country. Not so in Iraq. The idiot author is over the top in trying to draw a comparison, even if only for effect.
154 posted on 03/01/2003 2:15:44 PM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it is bold talk.....)
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To: RJCogburn
You do have a point there.
155 posted on 03/01/2003 2:17:30 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: RJCogburn
There wasn't ANY Pledge until after Mr. Lincoln's war ; just the sensible requirement that officeholders of all levels swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, Just as the First Admendment only prohibited the establishment of a State Church, not forbad God in public life ; I am VERY WARY of those who constantly wave their religion to distract us from their agenda of control.

I wish to have leaders and citizens who acknowledge the existence of a higher power for good, and who act in the expectation that their acts will be judged by the people and a just and loving God. I do not need FORCED pledges , as they are worthless.
156 posted on 03/01/2003 2:27:42 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: Servant of the Nine
One Nation, under Capitalism, indivisable, With Liberty and Justice for Capitalists

God is the left's greatest adversary, not capitalism.

157 posted on 03/01/2003 2:43:45 PM PST by WarSlut (It's the dictator, stupid)
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To: MeeknMing
dumb as a post....lol!
158 posted on 03/01/2003 3:02:53 PM PST by nicmarlo (** UNDER GOD **)
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To: nicmarlo
bttt ...
159 posted on 03/01/2003 4:49:19 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: RJCogburn
Donohue always makes sweeping analogies for effect.
It gets people thinking - which is his goal.
160 posted on 03/01/2003 6:28:04 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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