Islamist 'enabler' threatens 'grave harm to Bush presidency,' Gaffney warns

Center for Security Policy ^ | 26 February 2003 | Frank Gaffney

[Stultis]

What's the point of all this exactly?

That exposing and marginalizing elements of the "wahhabi lobby" is as important in the war on terrorism as exposing and marginalizing communist front orgs and individuals was in the cold war. Additionally, moderate/modernist/(non-extremist) traditionalist Muslims will not trust us, and are less apt to offer their much needed help, if they see us mainstreaming wahhabist or other extremist groups and individuals.

[Texasforever]

Do you believe that the religion and god Osama serves are the one the majority of Christians in America serve?

I feel that there are some "Christians" whose views are the mirror image of those that claim to be killing infidels in the name of their God and would do so if given half a chance. Thank God Bush does not feel that way. He is killing those that would kill us and God has NOTHING to do with it other than to judge the result at a later time.

[TLBSHOW]

I did find this on the web site that this thread is linked to

An early member of the Center's Board of Advisors, Richard Cheney, is now Vice President of the United States. President Bush appointed a distinguished recipient of the Center's Keeper of the Flame Award, Donald Rumsfeld, to be his Secretary of Defense. And Secretary Rumsfeld and his counterparts elsewhere in the government have invited an extraordinary number of members of the Center's National Security Advisory Council and others of the Center's colleagues to serve in top positions in the U.S. government.

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=static&page=message

[Jael]

given their strident support of Israel

Genesis 12:1  ¶Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

[Texasforever]

I have a Bible.

[Jael]

Some Christians would murder innocent people if they had a chance? (You believe)

Which Christain would those be?
What kind of chance do you think they would need?
You really believe that some Christains would do what the Muslims have been doing to others for years now, and the Christians just haven't had a chance to murder also?

[TLBSHOW]

February 27, 2003

What's wrong with this picture?

Frank J. Gaffney Jr.

What are we to make of the fact that a Muslim extremist (or "Islamist") named Dr. Sami Al-Arian was arrested and indicted last week on 50 counts, among them conspiracy to finance terrorist attacks that killed more than 100 people — including two Americans? One thing is sure: It is not, as Mr. Al-Arian claimed when federal agents led him away in handcuffs, "all about politics."
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20030227-70275336.htm

[Texasforever]

You really believe that some Christains would do what the Muslims have been doing to others for years now, and the Christians just haven't had a chance to murder also?

Hell yes, just read your own posts.

[Texasforever]

You really believe that some Christains would do what the Muslims have been doing to others for years now, and the Christians just haven't had a chance to murder also?

Here is the difference between you and me. I want enemies killed, you want Muslims killed. Think about it.

[justshe]

No, not at all. It is hurtful to be to be called names, and to be told I am someone else (Even when JR came on a thread and TOLD Howlin I wasn't.)

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If you're going to mention another poster's name, have the courtesy to ping that poster. Also....I was on that thread that night, so stop playing the victim. You know exactly what happened. And you know exactly what YOU did....which was a breach of forum rules.

And as far as someone calling you by another name, I could have called you Gertrude, would your feelings still have been 'hurt'? You term THAT hurtful? IMO, it had NOTHING to do with someone referring to you as someone other than jael. You know it, I know it, JR knows it, and God knows it.

Being a Drama Queen is unbecoming at your age.

[TLBSHOW]

The question, in short, is not whether "politics" are responsible for Sami Al-Arian's prosecution for aiding and abetting terror? The question is: What considerations, political or otherwise, prompted members of Mr. Bush's staff to believe Mr. Al-Arian was the kind of person they wanted on their team? Who bears responsibility for making those calculations? And are they continuing to do so with respect to other individuals and organizations that could, at the very least, embarrass Mr. Bush and, at worst, seriously undermine his efforts in the war on terror?

Whoever is responsible, their behavior has seriously disserved President Bush, and risks becoming more than a mere political liability if it is allowed to persist.

Frank J. Gaffney Jr.

[Amelia]

When you say things to me that you know I didn't say, and try and frame a question "as if" I had said something offensive, I will ask it back of you. Because I know what I have said. And I know what I believe. So it can only be that your posts are meant to disrupt a thread, or cast aspersions upon another poster just for petty small minded reasons.

Jael, I have no idea why you are directing this comment at me, when I asked you several days ago to never post to me again.

You, Jael, are a troll, a flamethrower, a liar, and a disruptor. You are using the same tactics tonight with Daughter and Chad that you did with me on the thread referenced above, and that you used with Howlin the next night (that got both of you suspended for 3 days).

That is, make accusations, call names, then play the victim and accuse the other poster of doing the exact thing you yourself did. Did you end up pinging the Admin Moderator on Chad or Daughter last night?

If Jim Robinson wants to let you stay here and cause trouble, that's his business, but I'm on to your game.

[metesky]

While you are correct in saying that the Clinton Administration was hip deep in this, it's also true that Norquist has been a bought and paid for Wahabbi lobbyist for years.

I clearly remember a 1999 article by Norquist in The American Spectator, of all places, pumping Arab-American voters as the group that would put the Republicans on top.

At least Norquist seems to be the type of toady who, once bought, stays bought.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Do I have questions?

I have answers to the questions that you don't ask.

I don't follow, I lead.

What quesions I may have, I reseach and find the answers myself.

I don't allow myself to be herded.

[bvw]

These are interesting times, even good honest people get confused, lose their way and get hooked into bad causes.

[bvw]

That is the most important point. People closing their eyes to Norquist and other lobbyists and friends of the Religion of Hate -- wahhabi, and other muslim terrorist sects - are only supporting those enemies and murderers.

[Fred Mertz]

Did I miss anything since I went to bed last night?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Todd was claiming that Grover is a terrorist?"

He's been saying all sort of crazy things Jim. It all started when he got "the gift"
and found this picture of what he claims is positive proof that Grover belongs to a Mosque.

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But at least, he's stopped blamming Trent Lott for shooting down the shuttle because there was a black man in it.

It's been hell Jim.

[bvw]

Jim, at one time, you yourself questioned Bush's stances, the elder's, and the younger's during the primaries. Then in order to win back the White House and the Senate you adapted a policy of being much less tolerant of anything contrary to Dubya -- those offices have been won. George W. Bush has shown himself to be a great leader, honest, humble, shrewd, and honorable.

That doesn't mean he's perfect. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep our eyes and ears open. We give him the great benefit of the doubt, and should -- because of his proven record so far.

More-over we know Bush has tactical and strategic issues of statecraft and war to deal with absolutely unknown to us. Especially right now, when we are almost certain to be at full war with Iraq in days. As Commander, Bush MUST take steps needed to pursue that war in a way that guarentees its success yetminimises loss of life. That means he has to keep the Arabs placated, and the Turks firmly on our side.

All that being said -- we have some powerful and connected folks in the political lobbying and PR business who have taken the enemy's coins knowing that by doing so, more of our and our allies blood will be shed by spewing decisiveness and confusion.

IMHO, the best thing that could happen is if every jake of that class of curs became absolutely afraid to touch another bloody coin, or even to be in the same state as one of our enemies agents.

Ostrasizing -- shunning -- isolation -- is a weapon, and it best be wielded against those coming to harm us -- not against our friends.