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Morality: Who Needs God?
AISH ^ | N/A | by Rabbi Nechemia Coopersmith

Posted on 02/26/2003 7:19:40 AM PST by Nix 2

Morality: Who Needs God?

If there is an absolute standard of morality, then there must be a God. Disagree? Consider the alternative.

God's existence has direct bearing on how we view morality. As Dostoyevsky so famously put it, "Without God, everything is permitted."

At first glance, this statement may not make sense. Everything is permitted? Can't there be a morality without an infinite God?

Perhaps some of the confusion is due to a murky definition of morality we owe to moral relativism. Moral relativism maintains that there is no objective standard of right and wrong existing separate and independent from humanity. The creation of moral principles stems only from within a person, not as a distinct, detached reality. Each person is the source and definer of his or her subjective ethical code, and each has equal power and authority to define morality the way he or she sees fit.

Random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea, but who says your standards are for everyone?

The consequences of moral relativism are far-reaching. Since all moral issues are subjective, right and wrong are reduced to matters of opinion and personal taste. Without a binding, objective standard of morality that sticks whether one likes it or not, a person can do whatever he feels like by choosing to label any behavior he personally enjoys as "good." Adultery, embezzlement, and random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea -- but why should that stop someone from taking pleasure in them if that is what they enjoy.

Is having an intimate relationship with a 12-year-old objectively wrong just because you don't like it?

Perhaps murder makes a serial killer feel powerful and alive. A moral relativist can say he finds murder disgusting, but that does not make it wrong -- only distasteful. Hannibal, the Cannibal, is entitled to his own preferences even if they are unusual and repugnant to most.

Popularity has nothing to do with determining absolute morality; it just makes it commonplace, like the color navy.

"But this killer is hurting others!" True. But in a world where everything is subjective, hurting an innocent person is merely distasteful to some, like eating chocolate ice cream with lasagna. Just because we may not like it doesn't make it evil. Evil? By whose standard? No one's subjective opinion is more authoritative than another's.

INCONSISTENT VALUES

Although many people may profess to subscribe to moral relativism, it is very rare to find a consistent moral relativist. Just about everyone believes in some absolute truths. That absolute truth may only be that it is wrong to hurt others, or that there are no absolutes. The point is that just about everyone is convinced that there is some form of absolute truth, whatever that truth may be. Most of us, it seems, are not moral relativists.

Bertrand Russell wrote:

I cannot see how to refute the arguments for the subjectivity of ethical values but I find myself incapable of believing that all that is wrong with wanton cruelty is that I don't like it.

Not too many of us believe that killing an innocent person is just a matter of taste that can change according to whim. Most of us think it is an act that is intrinsically wrong, regardless of what anyone thinks. According to this view, the standard of morality is an unchangeable reality that transcends humanity, not subject to our approval.

THE INFINITE SOURCE

An absolute standard of morality can only stem from an infinite source. Why is that?

When we describe murder as being immoral, we do not mean it is wrong just for now, with the possibility of it becoming "right" some time in the future. Absolute means unchangeable, not unchanging.

What's the difference?

My dislike for olives is unchanging. I'll never start liking them. That doesn't mean it is impossible for my taste to change, even though it's highly unlikely. Since it could change, it is not absolute. It is changeable.

The term "absolute" means without the ability to change. It is utterly permanent, unchangeable.

Think of something absolute. Take for example an icon of permanence and stability -- the Rock of Gibraltar. "Get a piece of the rock" -- it lasts forever!

But does it really? Is it absolute?

No. It is undergoing change every second. It is getting older, it is eroding.

The nature of absolute is a bit tricky to grasp because we find ourselves running into the same problem of our finite selves attempting to perceive the infinite, a topic we have discussed in a previous article in this series. Everything that exists within time undergoes change. That's what time is -- a measurement of change. In Hebrew, shanah means "year," sharing the same root shinah, "change."

If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change, where can we find the quality of absolute?

If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change -- since it exists within time -- where can we find the quality of absolute?

Its source cannot be in time, which is constantly undergoing change. It must be beyond time, in the infinite dimension. Only God, the infinite being that exists beyond time, is absolute and unchangeable.

'I am God, I do not change.' (Malachi 3:6)

Therefore an absolute standard of morality can exist only if it stems from an infinite dimension -- a realm that is eternal, beyond time, with no beginning and no end.

THE DEATH OF EDUCATION

In addition to the demise of morality, moral relativism inevitably leads to the death of education and genuine open-mindedness. The thirst for real learning comes from the recognition that the truth is out there waiting to be discovered -- and I am all the more impoverished with its absence.

Professor Alan Bloom writes in his book "The Closing of the American Mind,"

It is the rarest of occurrences to find a youngster who has been infused by this [liberal arts] education with a longing to know all about China or the Romans or the Jews.

All to the contrary. There is an indifference to such things, for relativism has extinguished the real motive of education, the search for the good life...

...out there in the rest of the world is a drab diversity that teaches only that values are relative, whereas here we can create all the life-styles we want. Our openness means we do not need others. Thus what is advertised as a great opening is a great closing. No longer is there a hope that there are great wise men in other places and times who can reveal the truth about life...

If everything is relative, then it makes no difference what anyone thinks. Ideas no longer matter. With no absolute standard of right and wrong or truth and falsehood, the pursuit of wisdom becomes nonsensical. What are we searching for? If no idea is more valid than another, there is no purpose in re-evaluating one's belief system and being open to exploring new concepts -- since there is no possibility of ever being wrong.

A common argument often heard for supporting relativism is that in the world at large we see a plethora of differing positions on a wide range of moral issues. Try to find one issue all cultures universally agree to!

Professor Bloom addresses this contention:

History and the study of cultures do not teach or prove that values or cultures are relative ... the fact that there have been different opinions about good and bad in different times and places in no way proves that none is true or superior to others. To say that it does so prove is as absurd as to say that the diversity of points of view expressed in a college bull session proves there is no truth ... the natural reaction is to try to resolve the difference, to examine the claims and reasons for each opinion.

Only the unhistorical and inhuman belief that opinions are held for no reason would prevent the undertaking of such an exciting activity.

THE NATURE OF DEBATE

The plethora of disagreements demonstrates exactly the opposite point. If everything is relative, what on earth are we arguing about?

Imagine walking down the street and you hear a ferocious argument taking place behind a door. People are yelling at each other in a fit of rage. You ask a bystander what the commotion is all about. He tells you this is a Ben & Jerry's ice cream store and they're fighting over what is the best flavor of ice cream.

Impossible.

Heated debates occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions.

Real debates and disagreements occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions, not mere preferences of flavors. Think of a time you experienced moral outrage. The force behind that anger is the conviction that your position is the correct one. Matters of preference, like music and interior design, do not provoke moral outrage.

What provokes our moral outrage? Injustice? Cruelty? Oppression? There is the sense that an absolute standard of morality is being violated, an objective standard that transcends humanity, that stems from an infinite and absolute Being.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: absolutes; change; ifitfeels; immorality; leftists; moralrelativism; uneducated
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To: freeeee
That is just dumb. Just because someone doesn't believe in G-d doesn't mean G-d doesn't exist. It simply means they don't desire to reliquish what they perceive is control of life and its environs. When an atheist can explain and CREATE life, from no life, THEN, I might have reason to question. To this moment, I have never seen such a thing.
21 posted on 02/26/2003 8:43:03 AM PST by Nix 2 (In G-d's time, not mine.)
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To: steve-b
If some armed band "asked" to pass through my territory, I'd tell them to get lost. If they tried to pass through anyway, I'd do my best to kill them until the survivors took the hint.

If you are saying that you as "Sihon king of Heshbon" would have done the same he, then you as well would have been destroyed. Somehow I doubt that Sihon's response was a moment to be remembered - you likely did not even know his name before I typed it.
22 posted on 02/26/2003 8:44:33 AM PST by safisoft
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To: Leisler
Here's another one for you.
23 posted on 02/26/2003 8:46:37 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Nix 2
When an atheist can explain and CREATE life, from no life, THEN, I might have reason to question.

Hmmmm. I recall not so long ago, reading about the first human made species. It was some sort of bacteria, I think, created entirely artificially using DNA. The article failed to mention if the scientists were religious or not.

Wish I had the link for you.

24 posted on 02/26/2003 8:48:57 AM PST by freeeee
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To: freeeee
DNA IS life, freee. I said CREATE life from NO LIFE. Can't be done. Won't be done. Never.
25 posted on 02/26/2003 8:52:33 AM PST by Nix 2 (In G-d's time, not mine.)
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To: Nix 2
DNA IS life

DNA is an aggregation of molecules. Bits and pieces of DNA are not alive. When assembled in the proper sequence, they are the building blocks of life. So it would appear that assembling DNA in the proper order is the process of creating life. And man has achieved this.

26 posted on 02/26/2003 8:57:38 AM PST by freeeee
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To: steve-b
"Just War" doctrine, was developed by Christian scholars some 2000 years after God commanded Joshua to annihilate Israel's enemies. If I understand you, you're accusing God of not following a standard developed by academics for Christians to follow. I have no doubt that those scholars, St. Augustine et als, would disagree with you, and never had laid a charge against God, of having an obligation to follow their principles.

I agree with Just War principles generally--but not being directly spelled out in the Bible, I ONLY agree generally, since they aren't inerrantly authoritative. No warring side in history has followed Just War principles--but it is something good to strive for, particularly in that we don't live in an age where God speaks directly to us or our leaders. I would be quick to add without such a direct command from God, annihilation of civilians is to be greatly avoided--one thing our new generation of micro-targetted weapons explicitly does.

Targeting of civilian population centers (cities) and other tactics used since WWII, prima facia violate Just War principles, yet, are a vital part of modern strategy in war--or its avoidance. Since God Himself didn't always follow Just War principles however, as good in theory as they sound, I must take them with a grain of salt... and our own strategies have saved countless lives.
27 posted on 02/26/2003 9:00:38 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Nix 2
If there is an absolute standard of morality, then there must be a God.

Oh, I don't know. There are hundreds of millions of buddhists who might disagree.

28 posted on 02/26/2003 9:03:14 AM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears about the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Nix 2
everyone needs God, some don't know it.
29 posted on 02/26/2003 9:03:53 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: Nix 2
Regardless of how they may have come to be there, human beings exist in an objectively real world. Reason (regardless of how it may have been acquired) is man’s only means of discerning that reality. In fact, man’s survival is contingent upon his recognition of reality in objective and absolute terms, and his willingness to act in accordance with the dictates of reality, by choice. Failure to recognize reality and failure to choose one’s actions accordingly, will ultimately end in death. Hence all sane human beings evaluate their world, and form values upon which their choices are predicated.

Each individual rational human being is driven by his own values. Inasmuch as each man may know only the specific workings of his own mind, each individual is uniquely qualified to determine his values, and his alone. No man may claim to accurately represent the mind or the values of another. Hence each man’s values may only be advanced by evaluating the world, forming rational conclusions, and acting for himself.

The free-will choice to act in accordance with one’s own values is recognized by other more traditional names, the most recognizable of which is “the pursuit of happiness”. Whether actions are seemingly motivated by traditional religious pursuits, or by the advancement of family, or friends, or charitable concerns, the pursuit of individual happiness (advancement of one’s own values) is the true motivator. Men seek to please their Gods, or to protect their children, or to help others, because it pleases them to do so.

In order to pursue the rational advancement of their values, individuals must be free to act in accordance with the dictates of their own will. In recognition of the fact that the will of individuals may conflict in advancement of their values, a rational restrictive boundary is created at the intersection of competing wills. This boundary reconciles the potential for conflict, by defining as a right, any action in accordance with the dictates of the will of the individual actor, which does not infringe upon the ability of other individuals to do likewise.

The only means which men have at their disposal to infringe upon the rights of others are initiated force, threat of initiated force, and fraud. Recognition of this truth, provides the foundation of a moral code. Initiated force, threat of initiated force, and fraud, are immoral inasmuch as they act to infringe man’s pursuit of his happiness as he defines it. All initiated force, threat of initiated force, or fraud, are immoral, whether perpetrated by an individual or by a collection of individuals sometimes known as government.

30 posted on 02/26/2003 9:04:13 AM PST by OWK
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To: freeeee
Just because there are athiests does not mean there is no G-d. This is an invalid argument from an invalid idea that you have presented.
31 posted on 02/26/2003 9:07:18 AM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Nix 2; All
Before we get started, I am a religionist (Catholic), and a moral absolutist, and a student of natural law.

The good rabbi has the tail wagging the dog, as strange as that sounds. God is not required for there to be an absolute standard of right and wrong. All that requires is absolute and inexorable consequences -- or, to put it another way, natural laws that can't be finessed.

Many would argue that this alone conclusively implies the existence of God. I believe in God, but I also recognize the availability of other explanations for the invariability of Natural Law. Indeed, I think that's the way God wants it -- for faith is meaningless if it's provable and incontrovertible.

I call this the Divine Non-Coercion Package. It allows men's minds to be free on the Ultimate Subject, for, without freedom, the election of belief is as morally empty as submission to gravity.

C. S. Lewis does some delightful turns on this in The Screwtape Letters.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

32 posted on 02/26/2003 9:16:47 AM PST by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: GirlNextDoor
Make sure you do, it's a pretty good article. But I could be wrong. :p
33 posted on 02/26/2003 9:17:54 AM PST by The FRugitive
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To: Nix 2
Morality: Who Needs God?

America certainly doesn't need God! Look how well everything has been going the last decade without Him.

We're in hock for trillions, our industrial base is in China, there are no real jobs left, the Chinese and North Koreans are in position to fire missiles up our collective ass!

Hell, we don't need God.

34 posted on 02/26/2003 9:18:28 AM PST by LuisBasco
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To: OWK
Many words, OWK, and I have often referred to some of the things you say as being very reality based, but please explain to me by what criteria THIS government was founded and based, the Constitution was written and based, and why, save for Bill Clinton's abuses, we don't run over our own citizens with tanks during the many protests, ala, Tienemen Square or the Hungarian uprising against the old Soviet? Pol Pot. Mao Tse Tung. Stalin. Lenin. Hitler. Castro. Saddam.
35 posted on 02/26/2003 9:22:50 AM PST by Nix 2 (In G-d's time, not mine.)
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To: Nix 2
Personally, I think that Good and Evil exist as concepts seperate from God. Why? First, if Good and Evil are whatever God wants them to be, that positions God as a tyrant and that's frankly not how I personally experience God. Second, I think it robs God, Himself, of the fundamental choice that every human being has to wrestle with -- whether to be Good or Evil. And it is with this choice that I think Man is created in God's "image". We aren't Good, Evil, or simply Amoral by nature like animals. We have a choice. Do people honestly believe that humans have a capability that God doesn't have?

The understanding that God could be Evil but chooses not to be makes God much more Good, in my eyes, than simply making it a tautology that anything God does is Good. By that thinking, if God were purposely torturing little children or sending Good people to Hell just for the heck of it, that would be "Good". And if you argue that God wouldn't do that because God is Good, that just proves my point. God's options and actions are limited in order to for God to be good, then the definition of Good must be something external to God. Put another way, if God werelike Satan, would you find Him worthy of worship and your love?

36 posted on 02/26/2003 9:25:15 AM PST by Question_Assumptions (``)
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To: Nix 2
Ayn Rand derived absolute morality from man's right to his life without any reference to God.
37 posted on 02/26/2003 9:26:00 AM PST by Barry Goldwater ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!")
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To: Nix 2
Without God, all things are possible, and that's a pretty frightening prospect.
38 posted on 02/26/2003 9:29:40 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: P.O.E.
Without God, all things are possible, and that's a pretty frightening prospect.

Like flying airplanes into buildings?

Oh wait, they did that for God.

39 posted on 02/26/2003 9:35:04 AM PST by OWK
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To: Nix 2
Bump!
40 posted on 02/26/2003 9:36:49 AM PST by k2blader
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