EDITORIAL: Our new European friends

Jerusalem Post ^ | Feb. 20, 2003

[CyberCowboy777]

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New Europe!

[goodnesswins]

The NEW LIBERTY ALLIANCE, which includes the NEW EUROPE...

WHO has joined the ALLIES FOR LIBERTY & FREEDOM?

THESE ARE the 29 ALLIES for IRAQI people’s (women & children included) FREEDOM

U.S., Britian, Australia, Spain, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Italy, Portugal, Armenia, Lithuania

Slovakia, Denmark, Czech Republic, Quatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Albania, Kuwait, Israel, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Macedonia, Croatia, Azerbaijan, Georgia Republic, Marshall Islands and Japan

FREE the IRAQI people!!!

	What OTHER countries want the IRAQI citizens FREEDOM?
		ARMENIA
	AZERBAIJAN	GEORGIA Republic
MARSHALL ISLANDS
goodnesswins, with technical assistance from abner

[Cicero]

Good article. I was going to write a long response on the history of Polish-Jewish relations, but I decided to toss it out. These relations were by no means always happy, but leftist historians have badly misrepresented them, partly in hopes of getting Jews and Catholics fighting with each other.

The Death Camps were not placed in Poland at the choice of the Poles. Any argument over who suffered most would be foolish; but the Poles were victimized by the Nazis on an enormous scale.

I have no fish to fry here. I have no Polish ancestry. But I was very pleased to see the advice that Jews ought to start reconsidering who their friends and their enemies are.

[DTA]

Except Slovenia and Macedonia all other Vilnus 10 countries were allies of NAZI GERMANY, persecuted and exterminated Jews and provided Waffen SS divisions for Hitler and guards for Concentration camps.

VIlnus 10 looks like a Waffen SS volonteers meeting.

Richard Mucins, counselor at the Latvian embassy in Washington, said,according to the paper, that Jackson suggested the following passage, one of the most compelling sections in the statement:

"Our countries understand the dangers posed by tyranny and the special responsibility of democracies to defend our shared values".

The only shared value those countries have is common Nazi past.

This sentence from Vilnus 10 statement is enough to make decent person puke.

NEVER AGAIN. Yeah, right.

[sarasmom]

Do you also believe the government of the USA should pay slave reparations?

As a child, I visited a craft village that also included a holocaust museum/memorial.I have never forgotten the posters of pits and mounds of dead human bodies.The sight is not one I would willingly let my child view, untill she is at least old enough to have some mental defense mechanisms against that level of horror.Even though the holocaust happened 18 years before my birth,I have carried the memory of its horror, and have always supported the rightness of the nation of Israel to exist,based upon simple human justice.I stand by Israel today.

NEVER AGAIN indeed.

But "it" did happen again, did it not?In Rwanda, against the Tutsis, in 1994.Where was Israel then? I dont remember hearing of heroic Israeli efforts to stop the genocide.The USA was also conspiciously absent.The UN?The UN also turned a blind eye.

If you wish to punish the current people of Europe for the sins of their fathers, feel free.Do not expect the second and third generations of Europe, who are innocent of inflicting that horror, to view you as rational, or accept the unearned accusation of murderous genocidal intent.

I have never understood why the hatred of the Jewish people flourished, and still exists in this world.

I am now very aware of how it is possible to hate a group of people for their religion.Islamic terrorists have taught me how "it" can very easily happen again.Will the genocide of Islamic people count as a holocaust, or do you think it a justifiable self defense?

What did the Tutsis do to deserve their fate?

I am a citizen of the USA.My ancestors included a race that endured the horror of genocide.Who should suffer for those crimes?Those who actually did it are long dead.Shall I hate half of my personal genetic makeup for the sake of self righteous superiority as a partial member of a recognised victim class in history?

If NEVER AGAIN really means "never again", when will "never again" start?

[ffusco]

Will the genocide of Islamic people count as a holocaust, or do you think it a justifiable self defense?

No one is advocating genocide against the islamic people, however psychopathic madmen who incite murder will be eliminated for the good of all mankind. And as a Christian I don't hate our enemies, but they will be destroyed . The people who would harm us through terrorism have been warned. We don't ask them to renounce Allah, Live as we do, or even like us. They just have to stop murdering innocent civilians.

[MissouriForBush]

I have lived in Germany the past two years and the problem is, a lot of those second- and third-generation Europeans are as equally anti-Semitic as their fathers. The Leftist Germans just play a more subtle game and mask it as "anti-Israel." And furthermore, they turn a blind eye to the worldwide persecution of Christians by Muslims because it is not hip to be a Christian in contemporary Germany. (It IS hip, though, to wear Che T-shirts or Muslim black-and-white checked scarves with fringe at the edges to express solidarity with the terrorists.) That's why Muslim extremists flourish so easily in Germany right now. I've had many Leftist Germans tell me that Arab Muslims are more welcome here than any American with German heritage. I've also had Arab Muslims be abusive to me -- both physically and verbally -- on public transport systems, and NOT ONE German came to my defense. Instead, they just acted as if they did not see or hear anything.

Just some food for your line of thought...

[sarasmom]

I defer to your more recent experience in Europe, and I do not challenge your opinion.

I honestly do not know why the continuous hatred of Judaic people is prominent in Europe, or if it really is "prominent".

I was active duty USAF on German soil in the early 1980s.Terrorists were a seemingly acceptable nuisance to the German public back then.Since the bad guys mostly targeted USA GIs, the vocal element of the country seemed to tolerate them just fine.

Absolutely none of my village neighbors thought the Baader-Meinhoff gang types represented them, in any way, shape, or form.The local Germanic people I knew would no more support terrorists than anyone in my current neighborhood would tolerate a neo-nazi group in our midst.

I am not yet ready to carpet bomb Europe, just because they have foolishly elected Clintonian type leaders.Glass house terms apply.

The USA can, if need be, entirely prove our point by vacating the country entirely.I advocate that position, as a matter of fact.

[xm177e2]

I dont remember hearing of heroic Israeli efforts to stop the genocide

In 1994, the left-wing party running the government of Israel had just signed the Oslo accords, and was under a terrorist assault (the first big wave of suicide bombers). It was receiving assistance from the US to purchase military weapons. It was in no position to go off on a grand adventure overseas while hostile armies gathered on its borders.

[xm177e2]

Absolutely none of my village neighbors thought the Baader-Meinhoff gang types represented them, in any way, shape, or form.The local Germanic people I knew would no more support terrorists than anyone in my current neighborhood would tolerate a neo-nazi group in our midst.

And yet Joschka Fischer is the most popular politician in Germany right now. He has a long history of assaulting police officers, possibly throwing a firebomb at a police officer, and giving shelter to terrorists in his house/apartment. He was at the PLO conference where they called for the complete destruction of Israel. If the Germans are such nice people, why do they love this guy so much?

[Porterville]

What can we buy from Eastern Europe instead of Western?? I want Eastern European goods. I'll eat a polish sausage from Costco tommorow, and well what the hell else is there...help me out.

[sarasmom]

Perhaps I was too diplomatic.

I am ready to waste all Islamics, everywhere,yesterday.

I am not a Christian, and I dont turn my cheek for another slap.

I am trying to understand how we, the USA, got roped into this insanity.

Someone give me a reason to hate a Jew.

I have well over 3000 unforgetable, undeniable, logical reasons to hate Islamics.Not a subject open to debate.This position is baseline, and no additional explanation is required for sentient humanity.

What I question is the hatred of the Jews.

[sarasmom]

Sorry Charlie, no cigar.Clinton was using it in his own special way, but no supposedly civilised country gets a "buy" on this one.

I do not accuse, nor do I absolve, Israel of the burden of blood guilt for the genocide of the Tutsis in Rwanda.

The entire world watched genocide occur,once again, after the world swore "never again".

Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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[dfwgator]

The entire world watched genocide occur,once again, after the world swore "never again".

It also watched it happen in Cambodia, in fact it was encouraged by the anti-Vietnam war protesters. The biggest anti-War marches occurred after our "invasion" of Cambodia, so there was no way the US was going to do anything to stop it.

[sarasmom]

No one gets a buy.

That is/was my point.

My second point, is that the unborn, and/or children at the time,are not required to pay for the sins of their fathers.

By any definitian of any just, omnipotant God, the unborn innocent must not be required to pay for the sins of their fathers.

[SJackson]

NEVER AGAIN. Yeah, right.

If you wish to punish the current people of Europe for the sins of their fathers, feel free.Do not expect the second and third generations of Europe, who are innocent of inflicting that horror, to view you as rational, or accept the unearned accusation of murderous genocidal intent.

Sarasmom has it right.

The concept of NEVER AGAIN requires a historical framework, but a broad brush not only tarnishes the memory of the Righteous Among the Nations but it prevents us from distinguishing our friends from our enemies. Europe today, as in the 30s is a very mixed bag.

[SJackson]

It also watched it happen in Cambodia, in fact it was encouraged by the anti-Vietnam war protesters.

They're encouraging it to this day.

VIETNAM CRACKING DOWN ON CHRISTIAN TRIBES IN MOUNTAINS

PERSECUTION OF MONTAGNARD CHRISTIANS IN VIETNAM

Christmas crackdown in Vietnam (Communists persecute Christians, again)

[1rudeboy]

How does being forcibly occupied make you an "ally?" And could you please forward me a list of the countries that you consider not to be Nazi? I'm concerned about Belize.