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FIRST HAND ACCOUNT OF FIRE AT GW CONCERT(WARNING - GRAPHIC ACCOUNT)
www.metal-sludge.com ^ | 02/21/03 | George Dionne

Posted on 02/21/2003 1:33:16 PM PST by FreeTally

Here is a first hand account that is from www.metal-sludge.com

This email was just sent into us by Sludgeaholic George Dionne. It's a chilling account of what he experienced at the Great White show last night.

My name is George Dionne. I was at the Great White show on February 20th at The Station in Rhode Island. I would like to share with you my personal account of what can only be described as a tragedy. I warn you that my descriptions may be upsetting, but it affected me immensely. I was standing approximately 5 rows back from the front of the stage. If you've seen the video footage, I was one step behind the camera man as the tape begins. The band took the stage around 11PM. A small fireworks display ignited. It was a fan-like display. It lasted about 10-15 seconds. When it died down I could see that the back wall had started to catch fire. The walls that surround the stage area were covered with a foam, egg-crate, sound-proofing material. At the site of the first flame I knew something was wrong.

I made my way towards the only exit I knew of, the front door. The exit was approximately 500-700 ft. away from my position. I could hear people laughing and cheering at the flames, I assumed they thought it was part of the show. I was yelling at people to get out the door as I made my way out of the club. I looked over my shoulder and saw that the flames had shot up the sides of the walls and was now engulfing the ceiling. It was spreading FAST! At first the crowd was calm, but as the flames spread, I found the space around me shrinking. People were now panicking and rushing for the front door. The club was filling up with toxic smoke as I cut a sharp left to get out the door. I could not see anything at this point. I began choking on the smoke. I could not see the exit, but I knew it was in front of me. The flood of people finally pushed me through the door. I made my way to the parking lot.

I looked back and saw the stage section of the club engulfed with flames. The other half of the club was filled with black smoke. I could hear people screaming and windows breaking. I saw people breaking the windows and diving out. I returned to the building to help get the people out. When I returned to the front door, I could not believe what I was looking at. There were 35 or so people stuck in the door way. They were stacked in rows on top of each other, at least 7 rows high. Black smoke was pouring out above them. You could see that there were people behind them as well. A small group of people were pulling at the people in the pile to try and move them. I jumped up on the ramp and grabbed an arm. I pulled and pulled with all my strength just to try and move them. There were others helping me, but we could not move anyone. The smoke was getting really think and starting to choke me. I continued to pull. The smoke was just too much for me, I had to let go of the arm. It was the toughest decision I had to make and I am still trying to cope with it. I stepped away from the building as I watched the smoke start to cover my view. It was at this point I dropped to my knees and prayed. I not as religious as I could be, but I needed to do it. I thanked my God for saving me. I prayed for the people still trapped inside. As I got up to leave, I saw the most horrifying image.

The flames had made there way to the door way. The people on the top of the pile were on fire. There was nothing anyone could do for them. I watched as the fire grew around these poor, helpless people. I broke down right there. I could see them suffering and there was nothing I could do. I left the club as the Fire Department arrived. I did not want to get in their way. I drove down the street, but had to pull over, because I was so distraught. I called my wife and told her how much I loved her. I called everyone that I love and told them that I loved them. I spent the whole night thinking about what had happened. I did not sleep. Everytime I thought about it, I cried. I shook all night. I still shake a little as I type this. It upsets me everytime I repeat my story. I regret so much that I could not help more. However, I am so glad to be alive.

I know it people say it all the time, but I ask that you remind your loved ones how much you love them. You really don't know if it will be the last time you see them. I feel blessed that I have a loving family and dear friends. I do not blame Great White or The Station for what happened, it was just a tragic accident. I can only image the grief and suffering that these people are going through. My prayers are with the injured. My prayers are with the families of those who did not make it. I am comforted in knowing that the deceased are in a better place.

George Dionne


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To: EggsAckley; CIBvet
I'm still playing joints like that.

Only difference is that nobody I know is using pyro anymore. I haven't played in a band that uses any kind of pyro indoors since 1987. None of the clubs I play in, most are in the 800-2000 capacity range, would ALLOW pyro to be used.


This is a horrible tragedy. 96 dead so far. My God.
61 posted on 02/21/2003 3:54:02 PM PST by conservativemusician
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To: Churchillspirit
Ain't none of us innocent.
That said, what haunts me is that someone posted a story from CNN that had photos of the club and the fire. One of the pics was of a door jammed with bodies. Everybody conscious, everybody alive, everybody helpless. You look at it and think, "How friggin' stupid! If you hadn't panicked, you'd be home free now. Now get up and get out of there!" But that probably didn't happen. Those poor souls may be corpses now. What can cause a thinking human beings to stampede like so much cattle even to the point where they follow each other over a cliff? How does that happen?
Really, how does that happen? How does fear cause you to stop thinking?
62 posted on 02/21/2003 3:58:33 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Jean Chauvin
This reminds me of the guy who called up talking to Peter Jennings (I think it was) claiming he was watching O.J. Simpson at his house after the car chase -Al Michaels had to tell Jennings that was a B.S. call.

I remember that call......BAH-BAH-BOOEEEE
63 posted on 02/21/2003 4:13:09 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: Dog Gone
I'm with you - THIS article by George Dionne looks 'fabbed' (farbricated) ... The 'fabbing' starts at the very second sentence: "I was at the Great White show on February 20th ..."

Any *normnal* person whould have written "I was at the Great White show last night ..."

A poorly written fabrication overall I might add.

64 posted on 02/21/2003 4:15:22 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: Dane
Watching at 1am pacific last night...they talked to some neighboring fire fighters...and they said they couldnt believe their ears when the calls went out over the radio...so, its shocking to everyone...you always see these things happening in Indonesia or something... >>>If you had posted that last night around 8:00 EST, I would have scoffed(I could have gotten out ok from that simulated situation, I would have said to myself), but not now after seeing the video footage of the tragedy and how fast the fire spread and how many real live people were basically ignorant of the danger, I do not scoff anymore about the dangers of fire.
65 posted on 02/21/2003 4:18:33 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: FreeTally
I agree. I don't know anything about GW, but I was weeding my way through the other thread to see if there was any word about the missing guitarist, but pointing fingers blocked my "path" and I gave up. There are 95+ FAMILIES out there that are devastated. Pray for them.
66 posted on 02/21/2003 4:27:31 PM PST by cgk (the Mrs half)
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To: thegreatbeast
The problem is simply because it's a large crowd of uncoordinated humans. There is no way to create a "mass intelligence" between so many people, especially during a crisis. I was in a crush situation when I was a teenager at a concert, toward the front just minding my own business as the show was about to start. The hundreds of people behind us pushed forward and people in the front became injured. The people in the back couldn't see the effect of what was happening to those ahead. I was fortunate, about 10 feet back from the first layer of people. I just remember being wedged so tightly among bodies that for about 10 minutes I was literally suspended off my feet and hanging in place, held up by everyone else around me in the same situation and holding my arms over my chest to push out and keep some breathing room. It was the most utterly helpless feeling I've ever experienced. Bouncers were frantically trying to unjam the front layer of people injured by the barrier and pull them out while someone on stage kept hollering at the audience behind us to move back. The people to the rear don't see what they are causing and the people in the midst of it have absolutely no control to break up the sudden jam.

When I saw the people in the doorway of that club I remembered what it felt like. The ones stuck had probably been pressed unwillingly into place by people pushing behind them and not giving them any brief split-second to try to maneuver over or around people who had fallen, much less stop and help them up. The pushing could only have grown more frantic as the fire grew. Truly, truly horrific :-(
67 posted on 02/21/2003 4:30:09 PM PST by Tamzee (There are 10 types of people... those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: Tamsey
Was that the Morrissey concert at UCLA or the Hollywood Bowl, per chance? Both of those shows had stampedes, caused by M himself.
68 posted on 02/21/2003 4:35:24 PM PST by cgk (the Mrs half)
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To: Dog Gone
I'm sure there are many intelligent metal heads.

Mind you, this band was "big" in the late 80's, when I was in college.

I'll bet 90% of the folks at that show were at least 33, and there would be more than a few professionals who dig that stuff who attended.

I still plan on going to one more Rush concert before I die.

69 posted on 02/21/2003 4:36:11 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: sam_paine
Yes, I suppose it could be argued that the guy who said, "yeah, sure, go ahead and use those fireworks in here" was temporarily insane, not in a position to give approval, or is an imbecile who can't be held responsible for his limited intellectual powers.
70 posted on 02/21/2003 4:51:48 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tamsey
The problem is simply because it's a large crowd of uncoordinated humans. There is no way to create a "mass intelligence" between so many people, especially during a crisis.

I seem to remember a lot more people in a crisis in lower Manhattan on 9/11/01 and never heard of even one instance of people trampling each other or of the "punching and scratching" I heard one of last night's survivors talk about on the news today.

71 posted on 02/21/2003 4:59:11 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (The LMDC can go to hell)
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To: FreeTally
I hope George can find some peace and my prayers are with all involved!
72 posted on 02/21/2003 5:03:49 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: NYC GOP Chick
There wasn't an extremely fast moving fire directly on top of those people either. Still -- if only some of the first people out had stood to marshall a line up at the exit ... awww ... there's no decent what-if to be said, it was just too fast a thing. I hope their family and friends can find some comforts over the next days and months ...
73 posted on 02/21/2003 5:04:21 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
Yes, I know that they were different situations, but the WTC evacuees had to deal with dodging flaming debris as well as jumpers landing all around them and they had no idea what was going on.

And as someone who was among the tens of thousands running for our lives when the south tower collapsed, I know the abject fear, the not knowing what was going on or if we were going to die right there -- and the lack of "survival of the fittest" attitudes. Nobody was trampled, nobody was punched and scratched that day.

I'm not in any way at all blaming the victims -- in fact, I have some idea of the horror, fear and confusion they must have felt -- but I do know that in major, life-threatening crises, large groups of people *can* think and act rationally, and I was just responding to the person who said that isn't possible.

74 posted on 02/21/2003 5:13:18 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (The LMDC can go to hell)
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To: mrmargaritaville
"That foam is a flexible polyurethane foam (much like the foam used in furiture cushions)."

Ironic that frozen foam recently killed 7, and burning foam killed 95. Tragic.

75 posted on 02/21/2003 5:35:34 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: rudy45
How about the ?Beverly Hills Supper Club? in ?Southgate? Kentucky (right outside Cincinnati)? I believe 200 or so people died. I also heard that to this day that place is vacant.

Right. It's about 20 minutes from me. I was just a young'n when it happened. What year was that? My neighbor worked there, but was off that night. My wife's uncle was one of the fireman who responded to the fire. The club sat up on a hill, and he said that some people were coming down it, still burning. The most horrifying sight he'd ever seen.

The hill has since been excavated, and there is now a doctor's building in the leveled-off area - for 5 or so years. I still get the creeps when I go past there on Hwy. 27...

76 posted on 02/21/2003 5:39:19 PM PST by Possenti
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To: anniegetyourgun
"or is an imbecile who can't be held responsible for his limited intellectual powers."

ding ding ding, we have a winner. No more calls please.

From the land of "Dumb and Dumber". Although there are a lot of smart folks in that area.

77 posted on 02/21/2003 5:47:39 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: bribriagain
My apologies for killing this thread.
78 posted on 02/21/2003 5:58:39 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: anniegetyourgun
the guy who said, "yeah, sure, go ahead and use those fireworks in here" was temporarily insane, not in a position to give approval, or is an imbecile who can't be held responsible for his limited intellectual powers.

Exactly!!! Since those are very possible descriptions of either a rock-band-stage-crew, or a typical night-club manager....it doesn't matter what kind of care society expects them to take, individuals should not assume that these people have made responsible decisions about their safety.

What concerns me about this is the apparent crowd mentality that seemed ignorant of the danger. If the walls are on fire, proceed to the fire exit. GET OUT! Don't assume that someone responsible will tell you to evacuate the building, or that someone in authority will escort you to safety!!

I think what is horrific is not the catastrophic fire caused by irresponsible actions of the band/bar, or that some people were killed by others panicking, but the real tragedy was that at least a few dozen people were needlessly killed by their own delayed reaction.

79 posted on 02/21/2003 5:58:50 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: mrmargaritaville
You've made a valid observation. It seems to me that it's not the best idea to have that sort of material exposed and near anything that generates a lot of heat - light cans, or whatever. I have to wonder about the club's liability in that regard.
80 posted on 02/21/2003 6:17:59 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Eleven. Exactly. One louder.)
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