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Left-Wing Hate Fest: What The Media Didn`t Tell You About The New York Anti-War Rally
Jewish Press.com ^ | 2/19/2003 | John Perazzo

Posted on 02/20/2003 6:53:26 AM PST by veronica

My day in New York City began in much the same way as it would end several hours later. Around 11 a.m. Saturday, I arrived at the First Avenue site of the massive “anti-war” rally organized by the organization United For Peace and Justice (UFPJ).

As I headed toward a suitable vantage point from which to observe the afternoon`s scheduled proceedings, a large contingent of nearby demonstrators repeatedly chanted in unison, “We`re gonna beat-beat back the Bush attack!”

Lots of “peace” literature was being handed out, things like leaflets condemning the Bush administration`s foreign and domestic policies, and fliers advertising other upcoming rallies.

Among the many items available was “Proletariat Revolution,” a 24-page socialist pamphlet whose very first sentence was a harbinger of everything that would follow during that afternoon:

“The working class and every opponent of imperialism must join in action to stop the murderous attacks on Iraq by the U.S. imperialist war machine.”

“War against Iraq,” the piece continued, “has been going on ever since the 1991 Gulf War. . . . [E]conomic sanctions deprived the Iraqi people of food and medicine.” Reading on, I learned that the United States is “the world`s greatest terrorist power” whose ``war aim has nothing to do with Saddam`s weapons of mass destruction . . . [but] everything to do with conquering a major oil-producing country and asserting military dominance over the Middle East.”

The Bush Administration, said the article, “is seizing the opportunity granted by Sept. 11 to show the world who is boss.” And for good measure, I was informed that “the undoubted crimes of Saddam Hussein” are dwarfed by “the misery and devastation [that] imperialism inflicts on the world. Any socialist worth the name would take sides in wartime against the imperialist enemy of humanity -- in this case, in defense of Iraq.”

During the ensuing four-hour rally, not a single speaker would utter even a sentence contrary to any of those assertions. It can be said with great certainty that the vast majority of the demonstrators in attendance thoroughly detest President Bush. They clearly deem him an illegitimate president who “stole`` the 2000 election, a man of dreadful character whose motives for threatening war are firmly rooted in his own economic self-interest.

Consider the slogans borne by some of the placards on display: “The Unelected Idiot Is Going to Start World War III”; “Bush, Stop Your Terror”; “Bush the Baby Killer”; “Illegally Installed, Immorally Behaved: He’s Not My President”; “President-Bush is an Oxy-Moron”; “George W`s War Drums Dishonor and Destabilize Lawful Democracies”; “Spoiled Fascist Cowboy”; “Bush Exploits 9/11 Tragedy for Dirty Oil”; “Bush Likes to Steal Presidential Elections and Iraqi Oil”; and “No More Lies: Regime Change Here.”

In the speeches that followed, this abhorrence of Bush was closely paralleled by a vehement hatred directed against the United States; a belief that our country has historically been, and continues to be, uniquely evil; a conviction that America, more than any other nation, threatens peace and justice on earth.

Among the first to speak was a minister who said, “We are the only nation to use an atomic bomb against another nation. For that, L-rd, we ask your forgiveness.” He did not, of course, mention the historical context in which that weapon was used; the ferocity of the unyielding Japanese enemy we faced at the time; the alternative of sacrificing the lives of perhaps a million more Americans, not to mention ten to twenty million Japanese. Instead, he preferred to express how ashamed he was of America`s long tradition of wrongdoing, which he said continues to this day in the Iraq crisis.

“Deliver our nation from this sinful and self-serving war,” he prayed. He then asked for G-d`s help “not only to end this war, but to end racism, oppression, and human suffering” -- purportedly three of America’s most ignoble contributions to human civilization. He said nothing about anything sinful or shameful that might be occurring in Iraq.

Shortly thereafter, NAACP chairman Julian Bond took the microphone to denounce,

America`s “pursuit of empire, not world peace.” He called Bush`s Iraq policy “a political strategy designed to win the recent mid-term political elections.” Bush`s talk of launching a preemptive strike, he said, is “erasing our moral standing across the globe.”

Bond then confidently asserted that Saddam “does not represent any imminent threat, while bin Laden still does.” He did not say how he could be certain that the Iraqi dictator is, and will remain for the foreseeable future, harmless to our country. Instead, he shifted his focus to the price tag of war, a cost he believes would be better spent elsewhere. “This war will cost billions of dollars,” he complained, “at a time when funding for education, the environment, and health care are already at risk.” He condemned President Bush`s plans for a war that would cause “the deaths of thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis.”

“If we really believe in regime change,” he said to thunderous applause, “we ought to begin right here at home.” He concluded his address by pronouncing, “We need peace, not war.”

The crowd was soon treated to the oratory of New York City Councilman Charles Barron, the self-described non- racist who recently announced that he would like to slap a white person “just for my mental health.” As is his wont, Barron chose to assess the Iraq situation from a “black” perspective. “I want to say on behalf of black youth in New York and the Latino youth of this nation, we will not go to war for a selected president who wasn`t even elected!”

“We don`t care if you [Bush] put forth Condoleezza Rice or Colin Powell,” he continued. “They do not represent the black community.” In the eyes of Barron and his ilk, Rice and Powell are mere mascots exploited by racist Republicans, inauthentic blacks who are traitors to their race.

When Barron was done, a man introduced as a poet recited his most recent work: “Our country has been wrecked by barbarians . . . like Trent Lott and Katherine Harris, [who] killed democracy in Florida” -- a reference, of course, to the disputed 2000 election of “hanging chad” fame. “It`s not just a war dance” that Bush and his aides are performing, said the poet. “They have a plan. It`s inherited through history. They destroyed the native tribes. Now each July they celebrate their victory.”

In short, his message was that Bush is but the most recent in a long line of oppressors that have led our nation throughout its purportedly sordid history.

Shortly thereafter, a New York University professor explained the importance of

protecting the world`s children from American aggression. “Children should learn their ABC`s,” she told her listeners. “They should not be killed [by U.S. bombs].” Those words earned her a loud ovation. Notably, she did not mention the thousands of Iraqi children who have been imprisoned, tortured, mutilated, and even slaughtered in retribution for their parents` real or imagined disloyalty to Saddam`s regime.

The parade of platitudes continued with the founder of the group Courage to Refuse, which consists of some 500 Israeli army officers who refuse to serve in the West Bank and Gaza. “The best way to neutralize your enemy is to make him your friend,” he said. “We have to remove the reasons for hatred.”

The theme was consistent: If only America would do things differently, Saddam, bin Laden, and other such barbarians would no longer want to blow us off the globe.

Every rally has its superstars, of course, and this was no exception. It was now time to hear from the mastermind of the Tawana Brawley fraud; the man whose vile rhetoric and frivolous charges of racism are legendary; the man who referred to the late Khalid Muhammad, whose racist diatribes were even too incendiary for Louis Farrakhan to condone, as “a very articulate and courageous brother.”

Yes, Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton stepped to the podium to warn that Bush “is pursuing a manifest destiny plan that will not secure America, but will put the whole world at risk.” It is wrong, he said, “to send our children to foreign soil to protect oil interests.” It is immoral, he emphasized, for Bush to pursue his “philosophy of international domination.”

Another well-known speaker who addressed the crowd was Ruth Messinger, the former Manhattan borough president and unsuccessful mayoral candidate. “A war [with Iraq] will cost us $200 billion,” she said, money that would be better spent on education, housing, and environmental protection.

She did not, however, discuss any environmental hazards that could result from a chemical, biological, or nuclear attack against our country. America’s war chest, she said, could “feed the 30,000 children around the globe who die from hunger every day” -- an assertion that earned her a loud ovation. No one seemed to care that the U.S. already provides fully 60 percent of food aid around the world. Such details would only have spoiled their rollicking hate fest.

Before long, it was time for the denunciations of U.S. foreign policy to expand far beyond the borders of Iraq. Harry Belafonte took the occasion to condemn America`s past military actions specifically in Vietnam, Grenada, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Cuba, “and many [other] places in the world.” Thereafter, two speakers representing New York`s People of Color Against War extended their “warm, militant greetings” to the crowd, and spoke about “the im-

pact of U.S. militarism on freedom in the Philippines.” A Colombian woman named Vividad Cordoba proclaimed, “I`m coming from a country that is a victim of U.S. foreign policy.”

Still another speaker blamed America for its “unjust” policies in “Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Vietnam, and Yugoslavia.” The director of the Southern Peace Research and Education Center said that not only should the U.S. not attack Iraq, but that it was now time to put the Saddam issue behind us and “lift the sanctions on the Iraqi people.”

America`s “three vices [of] militarism, materialism, and racism,” she said, preclude our country from claiming any moral authority to decide who should possess the weapons of genocide.

New York Civil Liberties Union executive director Donna Lieberman focused more on perceived domestic atrocities. “We are here today to talk about the other war,” she said, “the Bush administration`s undeclared war on our civil liberties.” With that, the crowd erupted with cheers.

A Florida woman shared her own story of oppression as well. “I can tell you as a Jewish woman, a grandma....It`s not just the black people who were denied their [voting] rights in Florida.”

A homeless New Yorker took the microphone and expressed her deep concern “about the war on poor people in this country, the war on working people in this country.”

The day`s loudest, most frenzied greeting was reserved for the infamous Communist and black revolutionary “Sister Angela Davis,” as she was introduced. Describing herself as a former “political prisoner” in the United States, Davis mocked Colin Powell`s recent assertion before the UN Security Council “that he represented the world`s oldest democracy.”

A true democracy, explained Davis the Communist, would have allowed the demonstrators to march that day, rather than to just peacefully assemble. Charging that the Bush administration is “specifically targeting immigrant communities,” she casually dismissed any concerns about Saddam’s suspected stockpiles of hidden weapons. “Have we forgotten,” she asked rhetorically to a loud ovation, “which country claims the largest nuclear arsenal in the world?”

She accused the U.S. government and American corporations of supporting war solely for the purpose of taking over Iraq`s oil fields. Boasting that she was not worried about possible attacks from any external enemies, she expressed concern only “about attacks against single mothers, about structural racism, about homophobia,” and [about] the oppression of “political prisoners like [cop killer] Mumia Abu Jamal.”

Shouting over the cheering throngs, Davis denounced America`s “prison-industrial complex and the military.”

There were numerous others who spoke as well, including folk singer Pete Seeger, actor Ossie Davis, and playwright Tony Kushner. A representative of the Socialist Organization of New York was received especially well, as was the International Secretary of the Black Radical Congress. Susan Sarandon introduced a man who, though he lost his son in the 9/11 attacks, exhorted President Bush to “stop the headlong rush to war, anger, and destruction.”

Though he did not explain why a twelve-year wait for Iraq to comply with its obligations should be defined as “a headlong rush to war,” he chastised America for not promoting “the equitable sharing of the world`s resources among all peoples.”

The day`s final speaker took the occasion to publicly denigrate the hundreds of police officers who, in a thoroughly professional manner, had made certain that everyone attending the rally was safe. “When you leave here,” he told the crowd, “you can expect that the police will probably attempt to do something to try to provoke you.” Referring to the officers as “fools with guns,” he continued: “They will attempt to manipulate you in order that you might fall into their plans. We`re not going to fall into their plans. . . . Don`t engage in the foolishness that the police are gonna try to provoke you into. . . . We want to shame the police!”

The crowd responded with roaring approval.

National Organization for Women president Kim Gandy was, notably, the only speaker during the four-hour demonstration to utter even the most trifling criticism of Iraq’s brutal dictator. But even that was diminished by what she said in her next breath. Though she acknowledged that “Saddam Hussein is an evil, maniacal tyrant,” she quickly proclaimed that our government should combat “poverty, homelessness, and [street and domestic] violence” before meddling in foreign affairs.

The overriding anti-American venom pervading the entire rally manifested itself not only in the rhetoric, but also in the remarkable dearth of American flags. I observed only one such flag on display at any point during the day, whereas I saw tens of thousands of placards denouncing the U.S. and the Bush administration.

This crowd was characterized, as much as anything else, by its steadfast refusal to make moral distinctions between Saddam Hussein and George Bush, or between the Iraqi regime and the American government. One particular placard illustrated this point quite graphically. Featuring side-by-side photographs of Bush and Saddam, it read, “Two of a Kind, Hussein and Insein, Both Unelected, Both Psychotic”; Bush`s face was adorned with a Hitler-style moustache, the hairs of which were formed by black letters spelling the word “Florida.” In a similar vein, another sign read, “Germans Did Not Stop Hitler. Will Americans Stop Bush?”

On the few occasions where the demonstrators did make moral distinctions, they actually depicted Bush and the U.S. as worse than their Iraqi counterparts, as evidenced by the speeches heretofore referenced. And as one placard bluntly put it, “Drop the Bombs Where They Are Made” -- a curious suggestion indeed from a champion of “peace.” (FrontPageMag.com)

John Perazzo is the author of “The Myths That Divide Us: How Lies Have Poisoned American Race Relations.”


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To: veronica
Is it because they have trouble coming up with young Leftie icons who can speak without drooling or hallucinating?
21 posted on 02/20/2003 8:05:19 AM PST by Spiritus Gladius
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To: veronica
Angela Davis a "political prisoner?!?" ROTFLOL!!! She's a tenured professor at the University of Calif. San Francisco. Trust me, this hideous black broad is untouchable--the'll keep her on the faculty (& payroll) no matter what.

As for her "prison-industrial complex" screed--I imagine she wants all those murderers, drug dealers, rapists, robbers, etc. who happen to be black just let go--because they're black, of course.

The "peace rally" was just another excuse for the Bush-hating-extremist-FemiNazi-racist black-socialist-enviroNazi-wack-jobs to congregate and have a mass orgasm.

22 posted on 02/20/2003 8:10:39 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: B. Rabbit
My heart rate shot up a full 50 beats per minute while reading this. I ate through my pencil.

Don't do that! :)

Is it possible that there are people that are so ignorant? I never would have guessed that so many could fall victim for such terrible lies.

Some are ignorant (stupid) - some are evil. They support tyrants and dictators. Stupid Left - Satanic Left - by Steven Plaut

23 posted on 02/20/2003 8:10:49 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Forrest Gump would put it like thi...isss:

stupid is as stupid does.

24 posted on 02/20/2003 8:16:37 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Spiritus Gladius
Speaking as a liberal, I have to agree with some of you that many of the left-wing faces are less than desirable. It's unfortunate that we have such extremists speaking for us.

I'm sure some conservatives feel the same way about Rush Limbaugh or Jerry Falwell.

In particular, I find distasteful the way some liberals will "defend Iraq" as stated in the article. I wouldn't think anyone in their right mind could defend the Iraqi government. It would be nice if Saddam could somehow be ousted without alienating all of our allies.

I think the real argument here is not whether or not Saddam should be removed from power, but whether or not this issue supercedes other pressing issues, like, say, North Korea, or the fact that bin Laden is still at large. Or the fact that our economy is sinking like the Titanic. Bush is skimming over his domestic failures by diverting everyone's attention to an issue that is way blown out of proportion.

Let's face facts. If people didn't feel that Bush was doing the right thing by ousting Saddam, then he wouldn't have much going for him. He hasn't done anything stellar domestically. His tax policies have indebted the nation more then we have been in a long time, and his environmental policies are a pathetic front for his business contributors to expand their profits without regard to environmental degradation.

The only marginally good thing I can find about his policies is his backing of hydrogen-powered cars. However, it makes more sense to promote hybrid vehicles for the moment, with an eye on H-power in the future. How many places can you think of that sell hydrogen-fuel cells? It's all just rhetoric to make him seem green.

But I digress. The point is that Iraq poses no significant threat to the U.S. Their missiles can't reach us. Saddam and other Arabs have never gotten along very well, so we shouldn't give them a reason to do so. If Saddam wanted the U.S. eliminated, he would've sold his WMD to terrorists a long time ago. He has more reason to do so now only because Bush is threatening him so much.

It would be silly to say that this war is about oil since we all know Saddam is going to burn it all at the first sign that we might attack.

So that's a survey of the beliefs of a non-extremist liberal. We need a voice too.
25 posted on 02/20/2003 8:59:59 AM PST by GreenJay57
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To: GreenJay57
The drive to remove Saddam Hussein is part of the War on Terror. We have got to squeeze these guys out of these countries, which whether they ideologically agree with them or not, turn a blind eye when members of terrorist organizations who are hell-bent on destroying the West (including you) gather in their midst. How do we know if Saddam Hussein has or hasn't given chem or bio weapons to anyone. Do you know that? Do you think he would if given the opportunity? Do you think if we do not stop Saddam Hussein now he will gladly set aside all his handiwork and embrace the cease fire, 12 years old in April? Do you think he stopped working on his WMD's when inspectors were in Iraq prior to their removal in 1998? Do you think we should stop Hussein now, before he has the capabilities of North Korea? Do you really think North Korea will launch a nuclear war against us, or is it bluffing to get more money from us? Or are they afraid of what we will find in Iraq when we go in, maybe something with their return address? Axis of Evil, there has to be a reason he tied those 3 nations together, don't you think? Maybe they are the largest WMD proliferators on the face of the Earth. I have reason to believe the people making decisions in this country might know a little more about it than you or me. And you're right, its not about oil. We could drop sanctions against Iraq and buy all the oil we wanted to cheaply, without loss of life....YET.
Do you think Osama bin Laden is alive? Do you think as we tighten the noose slowly, if he is alive he will be driven from his hiding place?
Do you think that if the entire world had stood strong against Hussein, he would have realized he had to do what was asked of him? But since there is such an "outcry" of hatred for America/Bush, he realizes maybe he can stay in power? Do you think this is a man who keeps his word? Do you think it is important to disagree with your President, but not to spew vitriolic hate of him, to belittle him in the eyes of the world? Do Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton? Do you hope America, when the war starts, kicks ass against Hussein? Do human shields actually serve any purpose besides aiding and comforting the enemy?
Just thought I'd ask.
26 posted on 02/20/2003 9:32:14 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: The Wizard
I wish to associate myself with the remarks of the good gentleman, The Wizard.

Thanks.
27 posted on 02/20/2003 9:50:31 AM PST by Bigg Red (Defend America against her most powerful enemy -- the Democrats.)
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To: veronica
BUMP
28 posted on 02/20/2003 9:56:20 AM PST by paul51
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To: GreenJay57
But you must admit, we on the right have trouble assembling such an outstanding parade of buffoons. I mean, when was the last time you saw David Duke invited to address a rally? (One without klan robes, anyway.)

Rush Limbaugh is only embarassing if you forget that he is the conservative equivalent to David Letterman. He's an entertainer, fercryinoutloud, and while I enjoy his show, I no more take marching order from him than you do from -- I dunno. Garrison Keillor?

As for Iraq: seriously, I agree that Iraq is not at present a direct threat to the continental U.S. But it *is* a direct threat to Turkey, which has been a dependable NATO ally for the last 50 years, and any action on that front would drag us into a horrendous war; it *is* a direct threat to Israel, which believe it or not is the only even semi-functional democracy in that region, and any action on that front would drag us into an even more horrendous war; it *is* a direct threat to Iran, which is nominally our enemy, but a ressumption of that conflict would make Armageddon look like a summer picnic; there is some very strong evidence that the Iraqi secret service has been supplying arms and financial support to Hamas and Hezbollah, so Al Queda are probably queing for their turn --

[A side question: if Iraq is not supplying terrorists with biological weapons, then how come the British, Spanish, and Italian police have all recently arrested Islamic terrorists carrying ricin?]

29 posted on 02/20/2003 10:06:40 AM PST by Spiritus Gladius
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To: GreenJay57
Sorry, I got interrupted in mid-post.

There's the humanitarian argument, which might be used to point out that Hussein's treatment of the Kurds is far worse than Milosevic's treatment of the Kosovars, and sauce for the goose...

But, I think the real issue here is that Iraq is a proven threat to Kuwait and our semi-friends, the Saudis, and the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iraq deciding to extend their hegemony over Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is almost as frightening as the alternate plan that the Saudis proposed this morning: that they be permitted to go in and "manage" Iraq until such time as the U.N. deems that the Iraqis are ready to resume self-rule.

It's an ugly, complicated world over there, and as long as our civilization depends on petrochemicals, we have a compelling interest in that region. Peace is a nice dream, and I fully support it, but once in a while the dream needs to be leavened with realpolitik.

30 posted on 02/20/2003 10:18:37 AM PST by Spiritus Gladius
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To: Spiritus Gladius
Wow, Pete Seeger is still alive? How old is he now, 140?

He's in his eighties. I know this because I actually heard his appearance at the rally last Saturday, while listening in my car to the coverage of the rally on WBAI, N.Y.'s long-lived Commie-front "free radio" station.

He said something like, "I can't sing too good anymore as an 80-year-old man, you'll all have to help me by joining in..." and he then proceeded to mutilate "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" in a most cringe-worthy fashion.

Not to make fun of the elderly, but, aah, screw it. He couldn't remember the words and whatever voice he once had went bye-bye long ago, like his common sense. He mostly warbled the words while strumming one chord on his guitar, all the while goading the crowd of freezing idiots to sing along. His style was hilariously like a geriatric William Shatner, declaiming the lyrics ("where TREES made out of LEMON DROPS...").

It went on and on, with the crowd attempting half-heartedly to sing along while clearly begging for it to mercifully end, as I was doing.

It was the funniest thing I ever heard. There's gotta be a tape of it somewhere on the Net.

31 posted on 02/20/2003 10:32:33 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: veronica
Greetings veronica, FReepers, et al:

Thank you for the story. Seems these are the same people, who tell us how we should raise our children.
32 posted on 02/20/2003 10:36:51 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Hey Socialists, Pacifists, And Other Parasites Of Freedom: YOU Shut The Heck Up, WE'LL Liberate Iraq)
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To: Jhensy
I have to imagine that right now, somewhere in the afterlife, Woody Guthrie is thanking God for sparing him from being on that stage.
33 posted on 02/20/2003 10:48:02 AM PST by Spiritus Gladius
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To: Spiritus Gladius
I think the difference between the buffoons on the right and the buffoons on the left is that the buffoons on the right are already in power. The buffoons on the left feel the need to speak out at rallies because they have no other real voice. Besides, who we deem buffoons is a matter of perception. Everyone has their own buffoons.

I've seen a lot more defense of Rush Limbaugh in this circle than I have of David Letterman in liberal circles. I'd say he's more comparable to Bill Maher or Michael Moore.

I don't know the answer to this one way or the other, but has Saddam Hussein made direct threats to Turkey? I know he hates Israel, what Arab leader doesn't? Also, where else could the terrorists have found ricin? I have to honestly say I don't know what the sources of this product are.

I still think it's hypocritical of us to go in and take out dictators because of their abuses of human rights. Notice I didn't say it's wrong. It's just hypocritical after we've supported so many terrible dictators in the past. Granted it served our interests at the time and *may* have saved the world from communism. No one can predict the future, so it's difficult to say what's wrong and what's less wrong in this situation.

Maybe if we go in there and take out Saddam it'll polarize countless Muslims to take up a jihad against the United States. Or maybe it could help stabilize the region. The terrorists haven't stopped since we've taken out the Taliban, and they were a more vehement supporter of Al-Qaeda and the like.

As has happened in the past with other "superpowers" (Greeks, Romans, etc), American hubris will probably be the end of us. I just wish Bush would stop beating the war drums for just a second and at least pretend to listen to what our allies have to say instead of acting like a dictator hell-bent on getting his own way. Then maybe more liberals will actually listen.

That's just my opinion.
34 posted on 02/20/2003 11:19:51 AM PST by GreenJay57
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To: GreenJay57
I agree, the human rights rationale is hypocritical. That's why I don't use it.

As for spawning further jihad: read a little history. Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Arabia have been invading each other for the past 5,000 years. There is little love lost between them. Since 1963 Iraq has been run by the socialist Ba'th Party, and in the 40 years since they've managed to seriously P.O. both the Sunnis and Shiites, both inside and outside of their borders. If I were an Iraqi I would not count on a worldwide uprising of devout Moslems to save me.

As for the listening to our allies: the Brits have been on the ground in that part of the world for the better part of two centuries, and they seem more eager to attack than we are. The French have a compelling economic interest in maintaining the status quo (TotalFinaELF has *enormous* oil leases with the current Iraqi government that will be worth nothing if the Ba'th Party falls); the Germans have been violating the arms embargo and have the court convictions to prove it; and the Russians (Lukoil) hold an enormous amount of debt which the next Iraqi government can be expected to repudiate. Who else do we need to listen to?

[Hint: listen to the Japanese. *They* say that the North Koreans are merely a client state for the Chinese, and that if the Chinese don't tighten up on Kim Jong Il's chain *they* will go in and solve the problem once and for all. And if that doesn't frighten you, you really need to read more history.]

35 posted on 02/20/2003 12:34:06 PM PST by Spiritus Gladius
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To: veronica
These left wing "anti war" rallies are actually, anti American Nurenberg rallies. All the lefties think X42, Pres. Damian, is their fuhrer anyway.
36 posted on 02/20/2003 1:06:14 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: veronica
This just tells us what we knew all along. These people are not anti-war. They are anti-Bush and anti-democracy.
37 posted on 02/20/2003 1:07:34 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: GreenJay57
As has happened in the past with other "superpowers" (Greeks, Romans, etc)...

No offense, but you really do need to read more history.

With that said, I also wish that Bush would stop beating the war drums for a bit. There are some compelling and intelligent arguments that need to be made -- and can be made -- but instead all we get is this simplistic, "Saddam's the next Hitler. Gotta take out Saddam."

Every time we make an international conflict into a personal crusade against an individual person, we're setting up a losing proposition. It didn't work against Pancho Villa, it didn't work against Fidel Castro, it didn't work against Ho Chi Minh, and we're darned lucky that it did work against Hitler and Mussolini. Whenever it becomes personalized, all that person needs to do is survive (or at least not become clearly and obviously dead) and the perception becomes that he won. (Witness Osama Bin Laden.)

Saddam Hussein would be just another screwball if he did not have a ruthless political party behind him, a well-funded military machine around him, a sea of oil underneath his feet, and two unstable and corrupt monarchies for neighbors. Making this into a personal crusade against one man is, I think, very bad sound-bite politics.

38 posted on 02/20/2003 1:10:47 PM PST by Spiritus Gladius
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To: veronica
~Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton stepped to the podium........It is wrong, he said, “to send our children to foreign soil to protect oil interests"~

Welp, this is his platform in a nutshell. Obviously he is as uninformed as the rest of the 'Hate Bush' crowd.

39 posted on 02/20/2003 1:13:46 PM PST by BossLady
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To: Spiritus Gladius
Rush Limbaugh is only embarassing if you forget that he is the conservative equivalent to David Letterman. He's an entertainer.

I disagree. There is nothing "embarassing" about Rush. And Rush is entertaining because he has a brilliant mind and a witty sense of humor. First and foremost, I find him to be astoundingly smart about politics. That is why I enjoy his show so much.

40 posted on 02/20/2003 1:19:03 PM PST by veronica
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