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Lesbian Japanese monkeys challenge Darwin's assumptions
The Telegraph ^
| February 19, 2003
| David Derbyshire
Posted on 02/18/2003 6:58:51 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner
The promiscuous sex life of lesbian Japanese monkeys is challenging one of the central tenets of Charles Darwin. He argued that females are coy, mate rarely and choose mates to ensure the best genetic inheritance for their offspring, while males are promiscuous and fight among themselves for female partners.
But after studying Japanese macaques in the wild, Dr Paul Vasey, of the University of Lethbridge, Canada, begs to differ. He found that bisexuality is common in females and that they often compete with males for sexual partners.
"In some populations, female Japanese macaques sometimes prefer same-sex partners," he told the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Denver. "That occurs even when they are presented with sexually motivated, opposite-sex alternatives."
Males are often prompted into sexual intercourse only if they are first mounted by females. Dr Vasey said: "Female-male mounting in Japanese macaques is an adaptation that sexually motivated females employ to prompt sluggish or uninterested males to copulate with them."
He observed that the females gain pleasure from mounting males, often rubbing themselves against a male's back or stimulating themselves with their tails.
Dr Vasey said that once they evolved the capacity to mount males, they could gain the same sexual gratification from mounting females. "I see females competing for males all the time," he said. "I see males ignoring females that are desperate to copulate with them."
Dr Joan Roughgarden, a biologist at Stanford University, said the macaque was just one of many species that did not fit Darwin's theory of sex selection.
Female langur monkeys promiscuously mated with many males, for instance. Homosexuality in animals - at least 300 invertebrates practise it - was also unexplained by Darwin.
Dr Roughgarden said that a more comprehensive theory of sex selection should take into account social as well as sexual selection. Mating could function to build and manage relationships as well as to reproduce. "Female choice, I am pretty sure, has much more to do with managing male power than it does with trying to obtain good genes."
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: cheeseeating; lesbianmonkeys; lesbians
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Isn't science great?
I really don't know what to say about this, but I expect some good comments from freepers.
To: Mr. Mulliner
Women know what women like.. lol
Brings new meaning to banana splits... okay time for me to go. I'm thinking things that will get deleted!
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:03:07 PM PST
by
cyborg
To: Mr. Mulliner
Could be a tough issue. Support for homosexuality among primates, but works against Darwinian evolution. File it under win-some, lose-some.
To: ClearCase_guy
Yeah, when I read it I thought, "Let the gays and hard-core evolutionists fight it out."
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:09:32 PM PST
by
Mr. Mulliner
(Only 310 shopping days until Christmas.)
To: Mr. Mulliner
Heh, discounting Darwin's initial assumptions on evolution does as much to disprove evolution as Einstein's early belief that critical mass was impossible discounts the theory of relativity.
But if you want to sum up evolution as a soundbite it's not simply "Survival of the fittest".
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:18:20 PM PST
by
Bogey78O
(It's not a Zero it's an "O")
To: Mr. Mulliner
Since my attraction to female macaques has been off lately, I may be in for a macaque attack. Perhaps a Big Macaque attack!
To: Mr. Mulliner
Y'all just wait. Pretty soon somebody will come out with a video entitled:
Lesbian Monkeys Gone Wild
Dang! If only I had no morals, I could be an internet porn millionaire.
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:25:10 PM PST
by
Slyfox
To: cyborg
It is nice to see you posting here.
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:26:15 PM PST
by
Radix
(I frequent the Canteen on FR.com)
To: Mr. Mulliner
"I see males ignoring females that are desperate to copulate with them."
So now we know at least one behavioral difference that may be due to the 5% difference in DNA coding between man and monkey ...
To: Mr. Mulliner
Umm, non-hetero activities are irrelevant to DNA evolution. If babies are being born, then the evoltionary mechanisms are in play. Any other activity is interesting but irrelevant.
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:27:31 PM PST
by
jlogajan
To: jlogajan
err, evolutionary ...
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:28:14 PM PST
by
jlogajan
To: Mr. Mulliner
Lesbian Japanese Monkeys would be a great name for a band.
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:28:56 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
To: Radix
My mother is yelling at me to get my mind out of the gutter and go get her nightgown downstairs... I don't think I will be posting for long!...lol
Lesbian Japanese monkeys... the opening show for Hillary's presidential race.
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:31:16 PM PST
by
cyborg
They only perform for the cameras, to entertain Canadian scientists.
To: Mr. Mulliner

Melisa, do you think this is just a "college phase" or the real thing? Great job at the softball game today by the way. Wait! Hold still babe. There's a tick on your neck I'd like to eat.
To: ChuteTheMall GawdSortaMount
Hey, this thread needs some PICTURES!
To: Mr. Mulliner
You couldn't get "Nympho" in the title anywhere?
To: Mr. Mulliner
The promiscuous sex life of lesbian Japanese monkeys is challenging one of the central tenets of Charles Darwin. Odd. I don't recall Darwin doing any field research in Japan. Funny how the research he did do is being applied universally to all species on the planet. A pretty broad brush there.
To: Mr. Mulliner
Monkeys are not born lesbian. They choose to be lesbian. Mostly the result of their Liberal upbringing.
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:40:53 PM PST
by
Doe Eyes
To: Mr. Mulliner
Male Japanese Monkeys like to watch?
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posted on
02/18/2003 7:42:36 PM PST
by
kaboom
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