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Anti-war Protests Anger U.S. Troops Inside Kuwait
The Detroit News | Tuesday, February 18, 2003 | M.E. Sprengelmeyer

Posted on 02/18/2003 7:26:58 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER

Some see America’s patriotic mood waning.

Campujairi, Kuwait – The peace protesters might as well be marching right under the tank barrels.

U.S. troops amassed in the Kuwaiti desert couldn’t avoid news of anti-war protests that swept the globe over the weekend, and it is making some angry, defensive, fired-up and anxious.

They see scattered news reports of opposition to a possible war against Iraq, but the hardest-hitting bulletins come in phone calls home to worried wives and loved ones, said Sgt. 1st Class Victor Oravec, 41, of Fort Knox, Ky., of the U.S. Army’s 3-7 Cavalry.

“They’re saying, ‘Why are we over here when everyone’s over here saying we shouldn’t be?’” Oravec said.

“They hear it. They bring it up to me, and I squash it by keeping them busy, reminding them why they’re here,” Oravec said, just before leading his tank maintenance unit in an all-night training exercise across the Kuwaiti desert.

Many of the soldiers who might be called to fight against Iraq were too young to remember the emotional protests that marked the end of the Vietnam War. Many had not even been born.

Still, some say they take the anti-war protests personally – questioning the jobs they do and their boss, President Bush.

“They get down,” said Oravec, a veteran of the 1991 war against Iraq. “That’s when I come around, try to get them work to do. That’s the only thing I can think of to keep their minds off home and what their wives are telling them.”

Capt. John Turner, 26, of Colonial Heights, Va., whose father was a med-evac pilot for the Army in Vietnam, said soldiers are not decision-makers and can’t afford to get distracted from their training.

“I’m not in this line of work for political reasons. I didn’t come here to be a politician,” Turner said.

Still, he’s especially angry about opposition at the United Nations from France, a NATO ally.

“How would they feel if it was the Eiffel Tower that got hit into (on Sept. 11)?” he asked.

The troops see a possible war against Iraq as part of the ongoing war on terrorism, as the Bush administration targets alleged weapons of mass destruction that could fall into the hands of terrorists.

Protesters call that an unfounded or unproven claim being used to justify a war to control more of the Middle East’s vast oil reserves.

The “No blood for oil” slogan was used in opposition to the 1991 war, too. But back then, in the war to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi invaders, the protests did not seem as widespread and the troops did not take them so personally, Gulf War veterans said.

“That’s their right to protest as long as they know that’s their opinion, not ours,” said 1st Sgt. Stephen Edgerton, 36, a Gulf War veteran from Blackshear, Ga.

“When you’re younger, you’re a little more eager to go out and pick a fight with somebody,” Edgerton said. “With age, you’re not as quick to jump into things without thinking them out first.”

But for soldiers, he said, the bottom line is simple: “I support my Commander in Chief. That’s my job.”

Pvt. Wesley Carr, 23, of Virginia Beach, Va., said soldiers are the last ones who want to rush into unnecessary wars.

“I can understand why they want to protest, because they don’t want any harm to come to us. But a lot of them don’t understand,” Carr said. “I hope, like everyone else, that it does end peacefully. But if it doesn’t and we have to go to war, we have to think of the safety of the United States and all these people here.”

Privately, some soldiers wonder if the patriotic mood and pro-military spirit in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks has evaporated.

With all its soldiers and high-tech war fighting machines, the U.S. military would not have had all its recent success if the soldiers didn’t get so much support from the public, Edgerton said.

“They don’t have to support what’s happening,” he said, “but at least support the soldiers”

Iraq Update
1st U-2 Mission: Iraq reported the first flight by an American U-2 surveillance plane Monday in support of the U.N. inspection mission, marking another concession by the Baghdad government in hopes of staving off a U.S. –led attack. The flight lasted four hours.

Turkey Delays:
Turkey’s prime minister on Monday ruled out a parliamentary vote to allow tens of thousands of U.S. combat troops on its territory until Turkish and U.S. officials agree on the conditions of the deployment.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: antiamericanpos; appeasementweanies; appeaseniks; democrats; ingrates; janefondalovers; jerks; marxists; saddamsbuddies; supportourtroops; traitors
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161 posted on 02/18/2003 10:11:47 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: LibFreeUSA
That's EXACTLY what they are: Anti-American, Anti-Bush, Pro-Saddam! They just don't get it, do they?
162 posted on 02/18/2003 10:12:00 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: JohnHuang2
Alright! The King of Ping is on the case! :-)
163 posted on 02/18/2003 10:18:00 AM PST by nutmeg (Liberate Iraq - Support Our Troops!)
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To: piasa
toting signs with slogans they don't even understand

My favorite is "peace in our time" - they don't know that was Neville Chamberlain's phrase after caving in to Hitler at Munich.

164 posted on 02/18/2003 10:20:41 AM PST by colorado tanker (raise the bounty on weasels)
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks you once again, John. What you say is absolutely the truth. As a former secretary to a peace studies program for 9 years in a very prestigious college, I've heard it all (peace, love, understanding, all the rhetoric about Bush, Cheney and Powell, the anti-American hatred for our military forces and our President, it's all there and more). Thank God for FR, for our Godly leader and for our nation. Keep up the good work, John.
165 posted on 02/18/2003 10:22:06 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Hi Bob, great post.

To all other members, we (my wife, daughter, and myself) have sent our emails, and cards, for our troops. My question is, is there something similar that can be done for the spouses and kids left behind.

Is there a hot line, web page, contact for those of us who want to pass a little encouragement and support to those left behind?



In peace there ’s nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility;
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger:
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood.
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour’d rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;

Shakespeare - King Henry V. Act iii. Sc. 1.



Best Regards

Sergio
167 posted on 02/18/2003 10:29:58 AM PST by Sergio (Logic: Not to be used by liberals, causes a server case of the vapors.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I believe that our women took the 9/11 attacks even more serious than we males did (we took it very seriously).

The dynamics of 9/11 really impacted every woman I know from my wife, our mothers, to our DIL, other female relatives and friends. They are just like you re your loathing for the lefties who ignore it or try to blame us for 9/11.
168 posted on 02/18/2003 10:30:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: SAMWolf
SAMWolf, did you hear Saddam's reaction to the anti-war protests this weekend. He went on Iraqi TV and thanked them for their show of support. That should tell you something about the anti-war Marxists.
169 posted on 02/18/2003 10:33:53 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a Mental Illness)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
This is why we need to get out in the streets and loudly and visibly counter protest. If the troops see the traitor scum being challenged at every turn by patriots, the demonstrations will lose there morale corroding sting.
170 posted on 02/18/2003 10:36:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Michael81Dus

Support British troops also BUMP! Their mission is even harder, their people is opposed to the war, unlike in the US. Let´s not forget the British forces!!

Thanks for reminding us.

GOD BLESS OUR BRITISH ALLIES AND ALL THE OTHER FREEDOM LOVING NATIONS THAT ARE WITH US!!!!

171 posted on 02/18/2003 10:37:56 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a Mental Illness)
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To: colorado tanker
My favorite is "peace in our time" - they don't know that was Neville Chamberlain's phrase after caving in to Hitler at Munich.

Hitler's phrase after Munich is more telling, "Our enemies are little worms, I saw them at Munich."

172 posted on 02/18/2003 10:39:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RoseofTexas
Calm down, Rose honey. He'll roll when it's the right time. He's just giving everyone enough rope to hang themselves.
173 posted on 02/18/2003 10:41:31 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: grumpdawg485
"It is morally repugnant that people walk in marches across Western cities calling, essentially, that the Iraqi people be kept in their collective jail with their tormentors," said Dr. Mahdi al-Bassam in a letter to the Houston Chronicle. "In a country where more than 200,000 persons annually disappear because of institutionalized killings, liquidations, weapons of mass destruction experiments on political prisoners, and out and out community demolitions, a war that could bring hope for a better life is but a small price to suffer

"What I hope is that you can support the right of the war protesters to express themselves, while still disagreeing with their message."

The noble argument surfaces as usual. Of course I support that right. Glad to hear you support the troops.

New around here question is relevant to your position, which appears to place a greater degree of support for the idiots written about by the Iraqi above. Not usually a longtime freeper position.

174 posted on 02/18/2003 10:43:37 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (Just like Black September. One by one, we're gonna get 'em.)
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
F**k ANSWER and the other Marxist anti-American, anti-war traitors ping!!!

History repeating itself.

If you want on or off the Western Civlization Military History ping list, let me know.
175 posted on 02/18/2003 10:45:14 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a Mental Illness)
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump!
176 posted on 02/18/2003 10:46:12 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Travis McGee
Exactly. The so-called libertarians (actually many of them are Marxists) over at Liberty Forum were mocking the Infinite Freep counterdemonstrations this weekend. We're starting to get to the Marxists.
177 posted on 02/18/2003 10:47:20 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a Mental Illness)
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To: Sparta
History repeating itself

Does bring back the memories, doesn't it? We heard a lot of that "I support the toops but not the war" B.S. back then, too.

178 posted on 02/18/2003 10:55:18 AM PST by colorado tanker (raise the bounty on weasels)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Images by Registered

Click on the Peace Sign!


179 posted on 02/18/2003 10:56:08 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Extremism in the Pursuit of Liberty is no Vice!)
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To: Travis McGee
This is why we need to get out in the streets and loudly and visibly counter protest. If the troops see the traitor scum being challenged at every turn by patriots, the demonstrations will lose there morale corroding sting.

That's exactly the reason I posted this. I knew it would fire everybody up.

For my part, I'm going to try and get this article printed in my local paper and one in Petoskey, where there was a particularly smarmy "peace march" article posted here yesterday. Michael Moore and an overestimated 200 other protesters got a sickening treatment. I'll pay to have it printed if I have to or can. I just get angrier by the day.

180 posted on 02/18/2003 10:57:25 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (Just like Black September. One by one, we're gonna get 'em.)
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