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China quietly gets ultra-cutting edge advanced SU-30MKK Fighter Bombers from Russia.
Notes from the Pentagon. (Washington Times) via Drudge Headliner ^ | 14 FEB 2003 | Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 02/14/2003 4:27:31 PM PST by vannrox

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Russia delivered the latest batch of advanced SU-30MKK fighter bombers to China within the past month and additional jets are on the way, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

Russia's arms exports used to be public. But under pressure from Beijing, Moscow agreed to keep secret its major weapons systems transfers to China.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: advanced; china; military; plane; russia; sale; technology
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To: chilepepper; rmlew
And how many combat trained pilots can the Chinese airforce field? or do you think that Chinese (or Russian) combat flight simulators make up for this? if so, i have a bridge to sell you in London...

No you have a "bridge" and a "dam" to hide us in China.

161 posted on 05/14/2003 4:48:09 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Poohbah
Please, you're arguing with the eleven-star generals here on Free Republic. They've spent MONTHS playing Su-27 Flanker and Risk, they know FAR more than you do...

You know so much about us and the Chinese, don't you.

163 posted on 05/14/2003 4:49:51 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: vannrox

I LOVE RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT

164 posted on 05/14/2003 4:53:10 PM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: Go Dub Go; Falcon4.0
Why is it the war against America? Do we not want other countries to arm themselves? Or we just want to make sure they buy all their arms from the US?

And why not? If not against America, against whom? And for whom? Or has the world become sinless?

165 posted on 05/14/2003 4:55:59 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Porterville
I just love US aircraft carriers getting flown over by SU27s unnoticed... not.
166 posted on 05/14/2003 4:58:02 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
You know so much about us and the Chinese, don't you.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do.

I sure as hell know more than most of the Prozac-deficient goofballs screaming "The Commies Are Coming! The Commies Are Coming!"

I don't get my analysis of the world strategic situation from Y2K scare-monger websites like WorldNutDaily; I use professional-grade sources, including various US intelligence agencies' public reports and outfits like the NIPP, the Heritage Foundation, and the IISS.

167 posted on 05/14/2003 4:58:10 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: lavaroise
And why not? If not against America, against whom?

In the case of China, their most likely opponent is Russia.

168 posted on 05/14/2003 4:59:18 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
I sure as hell know more than most of the Prozac-deficient goofballs screaming "The Commies Are Coming! The Commies Are Coming!"

I see you care a lot too.

169 posted on 05/14/2003 4:59:58 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: AppyPappy
"With all the excess pork and wasted billions in the Federal budget, why would your first thought be to cut off money used to help millions of people who are suffering and dying?"

Because it's not the federal government's job to save people overseas from themselves.

In the 1980s when Ethiopia was gripped by a brutal civil war into which almost all its government funds were poured - while the country was ravaged by famine...it wasn't the US federal government's job to send enormous amounts of aid and relief....but we did.

When civil war and famine killed at least 300,000 people in Somalia a decade ago, and the country became filled with wretched, walking skeletons it wasn't America's job to send large quantities of food and medicine. But we did.

In 1994, when Rwanda erupted into ethnic violence that killed at least 800,000 people in twelve weeks, it wasn't the United State's job to lead the world in shipping food, medicine, doctors, technicians, and medical equipment to try to save the dying masses huddled in Rwanda’s filthy refugee camps. But we did.

It wasn't the US Govt's job to give upwards of $22 billion in food, industrial equipment, clothing, and agricultural supplies to help the world’s needy under the Marshall Plan and the UNRRA, but we did.

It hasn't been America's job, when natural disasters such as earthquakes and floods, famine and disease decimate foreign populations, to be the first - and sometimes the only - nation in the world to lend assistance. But we almost always are.

Unlike yourself, I am proud of America’s track record as clearly the most awe-inspiring model of benevolence in the recorded history of mankind.

170 posted on 05/14/2003 5:02:16 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: vannrox

Meanwhile, we are quietly working on Mach-6

171 posted on 05/14/2003 5:03:00 PM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: lavaroise
There's a difference between having an appropriate level of concern and taking an aircraft purchase as a sign of the impending apocalypse.

The ChiComs have a LOT of problems to overcome, and they have very little time to overcome them before the Gods of the Copybook Headings do the Monster Mash on the ruins of the PRC. And their most recent performance re: SARS indicates that, like all totalitarian systems, they aren't able to muster the self-honesty necessary to actually admit to and fix those problems.

The question with Russia and China is not "When will they attack the US?"

It's "Which one will be the first to fight a nuclear civil war?"

172 posted on 05/14/2003 5:03:46 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Porterville
The Aurora is SO 1989.

The black budget didn't shrink appreciably during the Post-Cold War era--and they went bonkers making sure it STAYED black. God only knows what's flying out of Groom Lake these days.

173 posted on 05/14/2003 5:05:47 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
In the case of China, their most likely opponent is Russia.

Indeed, if the US is not willing to take a stand, we are not much of an opponent.

174 posted on 05/14/2003 5:05:57 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Indeed, if the US is not willing to take a stand, we are not much of an opponent.

Well, chickenhawk, I don't see you out there with a rifle and a bayonet, waiting to charge the godless ChiCom horde...

175 posted on 05/14/2003 5:07:29 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah

Well let's make Art Bell proud.

176 posted on 05/14/2003 5:09:08 PM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: Poohbah
The question with Russia and China is not "When will they attack the US?"

It's "Which one will be the first to fight a nuclear civil war?"

No no no no no, this is for after. America stands as a force against global chaos and nuclear civil war as you say. Nuke civil war is not in the offing so long as the US is here. Remember, Russia and China perfectly understand that the last one to sin in nuclear war is the winner. They have zero incentive to fight each other right now.

They may let Saddam annoy us, maybe Pakistan and India do something, but all these people know that it would be great if the US could disarm while they are arming and thus could be prosecuted. That would make them even more important.

177 posted on 05/14/2003 5:10:43 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
No no no no no, this is for after. America stands as a force against global chaos and nuclear civil war as you say. Nuke civil war is not in the offing so long as the US is here.

Your faith in our ability to stabilize the entire world is breathtaking.

Remember, Russia and China perfectly understand that the last one to sin in nuclear war is the winner. They have zero incentive to fight each other right now.

Maybe you misunderstood.

It won't be Russia vs. China. It's a choice of China vs. China, or Russia vs. Russia.

178 posted on 05/14/2003 5:13:41 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Well, chickenhawk, I don't see you out there with a rifle and a bayonet, waiting to charge the godless ChiCom horde...

I know where my debts lay.

179 posted on 05/14/2003 5:14:48 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Poohbah
Your faith in our ability to stabilize the entire world is breathtaking.

No, your lack of faith in the US is breathtaking. Sure our prayers have only defeated the Nazies, Imperial Japan and put some sort of order in Europe and South East Asia, that is quite an underachievement for some in terms of stabilizing force.

180 posted on 05/14/2003 5:16:39 PM PDT by lavaroise
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