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President Lincoln and Habeas Corpus (Remarks by Justice O'Connor)
Gettysburg.edu ^ | 11/19/1996 | Sandra Day O'Connor

Posted on 02/12/2003 12:07:03 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa

The Anniversary of Abraham Lincoln's

Gettysburg Address

Gettysburg, Pennsylvania November 19, 1996

Remarks by Sandra Day O'Connor

Associate Justice, Supreme Court of the Unites States

I. Introduction

I am honored to have the opportunity to speak with you today, on this anniversary of the Gettysburg Address. But I have to admit that my task is a bit daunting, even for a Supreme Court Justice.

No speaker, I am afraid, can find the words to compete with those spoken here by Abraham Lincoln six score and thirteen years ago (that's 133 years, for those of you without calculators). That goes for me, as well as for Edward Everett, perhaps the greatest orator of the Nineteenth Century. He was commissioned to be the Keynote speaker at the dedication of this cemetery in Gettysburg in 1863. Everett's oration was a two-hour affair, filled with rhetorical flourishes, peppered with allusions to Greek antiquity, and ending with a recitation of every hill and gully where men had fought and fallen at Gettysburg. The speech was considered the masterpiece of Everett's career.

But is was quickly overshadowed when Lincoln rose from his chair and gave, as his secretary modestly described it, a "half dozen words of consecration." Lincoln was indeed a poor prophet when he predicted that "[T]he world will little note nor long remember what we say here."

Lincoln's "few appropriate remarks" began this way:

"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure."

In the early days of the Civil War, it looked as though the young American nation, "conceived in liberty" might not "long endure." It faced so many threats. The southern states had broken away. European powers were poised to intervene, to permanently divide the young nation into Union and Confederacy.

The war posed another sort of danger, as well--a danger less obvious, perhaps, than columns of soldiers marching through the countryside, but one far more insidious to a nation "conceived in liberty". It was the danger that government at war might use its extraordinary powers to stamp out political opposition. And when President Lincoln suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War, there was a good chance of that happening.

Because it is an issue of considerable interest to lawyers and judges, I propose to talk today about Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus. I will make three points. First, I will review a little bit of the history of Habeas Corpus: where it came from, what it means, and how it came to be viewed, by the beginning of the Civil War, as a principle guarantee of political liberty. Second, I will talk about what prompted President Lincoln to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus in those first few days of the Civil War, when states were seceding left and right, and our capital, Washington, was threatened with invasion. Finally, I will come to the main question: how did the Lincoln Administration act once Habeas Corpus was suspended, and it was free to take people into custody without arrest warrants issued by courts? I think that history shows that President Lincoln did not arrest civilians during the Civil War to repress political dissent, but only to protect the military and security interests of a nation at war.

II. Background About Habeas Corpus

But first, a bit of background is in order. Those of you who are not lawyers may recognize the term "Habeas Corpus" as a sort of criminal appeal. You may be following the ongoing debate about how to regulate Habeas Corpus proceedings brought by prisoners, particularly those on death row. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law making it more difficult for prisoners to challenge their convictions or sentences by invoking the Writ of Habeas Corpus. This new law has prompted quite a bit of activity in the courts, and it remains to be seen exactly what effects that law will have. But history shows that constant change is part and parcel of the remedy of Habeas Corpus.

We can trace the Writ Habeas Corpus as far back as the Norman Conquest of England. Back then, William the Conqueror sent royal judges to ride throughout the countryside of his new kingdom dispensing justice. These itinerant judges would, on occasion, order local sheriffs to "have the bodies" of accused criminals brought before their courts. That's where we get the Latin phrase "Habeas Corpus". It means literally, "have the body". And we call it a "writ" because these traveling judges would put their orders into a "written" document.

So Habeas Corpus began as a way of dragging an unwilling suspect into court. But eventually people who were unlawfully imprisoned--say, by a corrupt mayor, or even the king--began asking royal judges to bring them out of jail and into court, where their jailers would have to justify why they were in custody. This explains why today, when a prisoner seeks a Writ of Habeas Corpus, he technically names his prison warden as the defendant.

England grew to regard the Writ of Habeas Corpus as a beacon of individual liberty against the gloom of tyrannical government. It was not a "get out of jail free" card, mind you--but it at least ensured that a prisoner could have his day in court. If you were to ask an Englishman to name the greatest legal documents in English history, right alongside the "Magna Carta" would be the "Habeas Corpus Acts" passed by Parliament in the 1600s, guaranteeing this remedy to all English subjects.

When English settlers moved to the New World, they brought with them more than hammers and saws to build new homes, plows and shovels to till new fields. They also brought with them the English Common Law to build their new legal system. That included habeas corpus. When tensions mounted between the colonies and the crown, royal governors were known to lock up "troublemakers." And local courts were known to issue Writs of Habeas Corpus to release those troublemakers.

One of the guiding principles of the American Revolution, of course, was that governments should not be able to lock up citizens arbitrarily, or simply because they raised their voices against the government. The founding fathers took this concern to heart at the Constitutional Convention. Like their ancestors, they saw the Writ of Habeas Corpus as a bulwark against tyranny. So, to safeguard the writ, our new constitution provided that "the privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

There was only one brief incident during the early days of the republic when "public safety" led to suspension of the writ. During the War of 1812, General Andrew Jackson imposed martial law in New Orleans. At one point, he locked up a newspaper editor who had been fiercely critical of the General. When a judge issued a Writ of Habeas Corpus to free the editor, Jackson not only ignored the writ--he arrested the judge, too! Only a few days later, when a peace treaty had been signed and the British fleet sailed away from the coast, did Jackson release both editor and jurist.

This proved to be an isolated incident. After that brief wartime interlude, courts went on issuing the writ as justice demanded.

As time went on, the Writ of Habeas Corpus took on new dimensions. For a time, the writ became a lightning rod for people on both sides of the slavery issue. When runaway slaves were apprehended by slave catchers in Northern states, abolitionist lawyers helped them secure their freedom with Writs of Habeas Corpus from sympathetic courts. Perhaps the most successful lawyer in this regard was Salmon P. Chase, Secretary of the Treasury under Lincoln and later Justice of the Supreme Court. Chase extracted so many slaves from jail that he earned the moniker "Attorney General for Fugitive Slaves."

While abolitionists interposed the writ as a shield to protect freed slaves, some pro-slavery forces tried to use it as a sword. Some Northern states let slavemasters use the Writ of Habeas Corpus to force local sheriffs to bring back runaway slaves. But this fight over the soul of Habeas Corpus--a longstanding instrument of freedom--was interrupted by the Civil War.

III. The Civil War: Suspension of the Writ

1861 was a difficult time, to say the least. Barely a month after Lincoln's inauguration, Washington was abuzz with rumors that Confederate soldiers, gathering near Harper's Ferry in Virginia, might move against the capital. The Southern states had been seceding, one by one, and it looked as though Maryland--south of the Mason-Dixon Line and still a slave state--might be next. Lincoln himself had traveled incognito through Baltimore, at night, to avoid assassination plots on his way to his own inauguration.

In April, in the midst of all this confusion, a trainload full of Union soldiers passed through Baltimore en route to Washington. They were fresh recruits from Massachusetts, outfitted with polished boots and belt buckles, satin-trimmed coats and hats. They had been summoned to man the defensive fortifications around the capital.

These soldiers were not greeted by brass bands and waving flags, but by an angry mob of Southern sympathizers who were spoiling for a fight. The soldiers literally had to fight their way across the town of Baltimore to reach another station, where their train to Washington waited. Four of them did not make it out of town alive. Later that night, local authorities--whose sympathies clearly ran in a southerly direction--burned the bridges and cut the telegraph lines between Baltimore and Washington, claiming that Union soldiers might come back, looking for revenge after the riot. But as one commentator has put it, "Bridge-burning looked more like plain treason to the government in Washington, which was now defenseless and cut off from the rest of the North."

Washington had a rebel army to its south and a secession-minded mob to its north. Congress was out of session. Lincoln felt the need to take things into his own hands. Invoking his power as Commander-in-Chief, he authorized local military commanders to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus along the railroad line from Washington to Philadelphia. Essentially, this meant that the Army could arrest civilians without getting a warrant from a court or without probable cause to believe a crime had been committed by the person arrested, and without providing the speedy jury trial that the Constitution guarantees in times of peace.

Enter Mr. John Merryman, a member of the Maryland legislature. Merryman had been recruiting local men to march south and join the rebel army. When a Union General found out, he ordered Merryman's arrest and packed him of to Fort McHenry in Baltimore Harbor (of Star-Spangled Banner fame) for the rest of the war. Merryman, in turn, applied for a Writ of Habeas Corpus from his local federal circuit judge.

Now, as you may remember, I mentioned earlier that royal judges in medieval England used to "ride circuit," holding court throughout the countryside. Well, the Supreme Court worked much the same way until late in the Nineteenth Century. Justices of the Supreme Court sat together only part of the year. During their plentiful spare time the justices would hop onto their horses and serve as federal circuit judges around the country. When Merryman filed his request with his local circuit judge, he went to none other than Roger Taney, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

The Chief Justice was no friend of the Republican administration, having written the Dred Scott Decision only four years before. When he received Merryman’s petition, Taney ordered the commander of Fort McHenry to bring Merryman to his court in Baltimore. Instead of sending Merryman, the Colonel, sent back an aide bearing a polite message. The President had authorized the Colonel, in this time of war, to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Merryman would stay at Fort McHenry. This, as you can imagine, incensed the Chief Justice. He wrote a fiery opinion arguing that only Congress had the power to suspend Habeas Corpus. The President could not. The President’s job, he said, was merely to see that the laws be faithfully executed.

Lincoln did not publicly respond to Taney's opinion until Congress met a month later, on July 4. Lincoln said that, had he not suspended Habeas Corpus immediately, Washington itself might be now be in Southern hands. That, of course, would have prevented Congress from meeting, let alone from responding to the rebellion. Lincoln then took aim at Taney's claim that the President's job was to sit back and ensure that the laws be faithfully executed, even in the face of Merryman's recruiting soldiers for the Confederate cause. In the Confederacy, fully one-third of the country, the Constitution itself was being ignored. Should Lincoln's hands be tied by the writ of Habeas Corpus in such a national emergency? He asked; "[A]re all the laws, but one, to go unexecuted and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated?"

Merryman stayed in jail. Now, Merryman was only one of many people arrested, without benefit of Habeas Corpus relief, in the early days of the war for providing military aid to the young Confederacy. Lincoln later said that he regretted not arresting even more traitors to the Northern cause--particularly the Robert E. Lees who had abandoned the Union Army to lead its Southern enemy to victory after victory.

Scholars still debate whether Lincoln had the authority to invoke the Constitutional provision suspending Habeas Corpus during the early days of the war. I will not wade into the muddy waters of that debate. I am more interested in talking about what Lincoln did after March of 1863--for that is when Congress gave Lincoln legislative authority to suspend the writ. From that point forward, Lincoln faced no constitutional obstacles. He could arrest whomever he chose, without courts interfering with Writs of Habeas Corpus. What did Lincoln do at this point? Did he attempt to stifle political debate, by imprisoning his opponents? In short, did he trample on the civil liberties the Writ of Habeas Corpus was meant to protect?

A recent historical study, entitled The Fate of Liberty, says "no." The author, Mark Neely, combed through the musty boxes of arrest records from the Civil War "to find out who was arrested when the Writ of Habeas Corpus was suspended and why." Neely concludes that, throughout the war, Lincoln was guided by a "steady desire to avoid political abuse under the Habeas-Corpus policy."

According to the best estimates, about 38,000 civilians were arrested by the military during the Civil War. Who were they? Almost all fell within a few categories: "draft dodgers, suspected deserters, defrauders of the government, swindlers of recruits, ex-Confederate soldiers, and smugglers." And strikingly, most of these were Confederate citizens, caught behind Northern lines. The numbers show that very few civilians were taken from their homes and arrested. And of those few arrests, only a handful were colored by political considerations.

Indeed, Lincoln issued his most sweeping proclamation suspending Habeas Corpus not to silence political dissent, but to stop judicial interference in the draft. Early in the war, patriotic zeal was so strong that volunteers flooded into the Army. But as the war dragged on, public enthusiasm ebbed. Eventually, the government was reduced to instituting a draft. Conscription was rather unpopular, to say the least. If any of you remember the burning of draft cards during the Vietnam War, imagine that unrest multiplied several times over in the New York City Draft Riots in 1863. The problem was especially bad in Pennsylvania. Coal miners attacked men thought to be "in sympathy with the draft." State and federal courts added to the problem. They were churning out Writs of Habeas Corpus, freeing soldiers as soon as they were drafted. Lincoln observed that "[T]he course pursued by certain judges is defeating the draft."

Lincoln's response was to suspend the Writ throughout the North in any case that involved military arrest of deserters or draft dodgers. And for good measure, he threw in prisoners of war, spies, and those giving assistance to the enemy--say, by smuggling goods to the Confederate government. But his focus was always on military necessity. Lincoln never tried to suppress political dissent. He understood that a democracy only grows stronger by allowing people to voice their opposition to the government, even in the midst of war. He understood that the strength of the Union lay not only in force of arms, but in the liberties that were guaranteed by the open, and sometimes heated, exchange of ideas. And as one historian has put it, "[T]he opposition press in the North was vibrant, vigorous, and often vicious."

This point is illustrated by the most sensational arrest of the Civil War: the arrest of Clement Vallandigham, a former democratic congressman from Ohio. Vallandigham was an out-spoken Confederate sympathizer, a man who minced no words expressing his contempt for the Lincoln administration. He was one of the “Peace Democrats,” or “Copperheads,” who originally earned their name from “the poisonous snake that attacks without notice.” The Copperheads co-opted the title, wearing the head of the goddess Liberty cut from a copper penny as lapel pins, to broadcast their opposition to the war. Its a nice irony, I think, to remember whose head appears on the penny today! The Copperheads must be turning in their graves.

In May 1863, General Ambrose Burnside was in charge of the Department of The Ohio. Burnside, it turned out, is a man bettered remembered for his long whiskers--or "sideburns"--than for his political acuity. The general announced that anyone within his jurisdiction who was in the "habit of declaring sympathies for the enemy" would be arrested as a traitor.

Vallandigham took Burnside's proclamation as a challenge. At a public rally opening his campaign for the Governor of Ohio, Vallandigham gave a vitriolic speech. He denounced the President as "King Lincoln," accused Burnside of being a heavy-handed tyrant, and called for a negotiated peace with the south. Burnside read the speech, arrested Vallandigham, and shipped him off to jail in Boston.

This, of course, was exactly what Vallandigham wanted. Overnight, he became a martyr for the Copperhead cause. The papers called him "Valiant Val." Democrats triumphantly announced that Lincoln had finally shown his true colors: he was nothing more than a petty tyrant.

Lincoln, for his part, was not pleased by the General's actions. To be sure, he was not fond of Vallandigham. The former Congressman had been stirring up sentiments against the war, and Lincoln suspected that was purposely fanning the flames of street violence in opposition to the draft. But Lincoln realized that the arrest was valuable ammunition for his political opponents.

Burnside, ever the zealous soldier, had one more blunder to make. Turning his attention to Illinois, the General decided that the Chicago Times was getting too loud in criticizing the war effort. It was time to shut the paper down. So he sent out two companies of infantry, and they stopped the presses.

This was too much. Lincoln had to engage in what today might be called "damage control." Burnside had proclaimed that traitors would either be put on trial or sent "into the lines of their friends." Lincoln decided to take the second option. Early one morning, Union troops escorted a bewildered Vallandigham to the Confederate lines in Tennessee and, there, they set him free. After some confusion, he made his way to Charleston, South Carolina. He exchanged some awkward pleasantries with his Confederate hosts, and eventually caught a slow boat to Canada.

The next order of business was to get the Chicago Times back in circulation. Lincoln rescinded Burnside's order, called back the troops guarding the presses, and warned his overzealous general not to arrest any more civilians or shut down any more newspapers without express approval from Washington.

Although Lincoln undid most of the damage, he still wanted to make a point. He explained to a group of New York Democrats that he would not allow civilians to be arrested merely for "damaging the political prospects of the administration or the personal interests of the commanding general." Arrests would be made only to protect national security. Now, national security is always a difficult line to draw, especially during a civil war. But the line had to be drawn somewhere, if the Union was to be preserved.

Lincoln asked:

"Must I shoot a simple-minded boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of wily agitator who induces him to desert?.... I think that, in such a case, to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal a great mercy."

IV. SUMMARY

In sum, the Vallandigham episode is emblematic of Lincoln's approach to political liberties during the Civil War. The President was not out to trample on the First Amendment. He was not out to crush his political opposition. He suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus in response to perceived military threats to the Union. After he, and later Congress, removed that Constitutional safeguard, the Lincoln Administration did not use its power selfishly or arbitrarily. It arrested only those people who actively supported the Confederate war machine--people like Merryman, who recruited troops to march south. And when people walked this fine line between political dissent and treason, as Vallandigham did, Lincoln tried to err on the side of free speech.

Midway through the war, Lincoln predicted that Habeas Corpus would quickly be re-instituted after the war was over. He could not bring himself to believe that Americans would allow the wartime suspension of Habeas Corpus to extend into peacetime, he said, "Any more than I am able to believe that a man could contract so strong an appetite for emetics during temporary illness as to persist in feeding upon them during the remainder of his healthful life." Lincoln died before he could see the writ of habeas corpus restored.

In one of his most famous debates with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln spoke about how a society that tolerates slavery corrodes the very foundations of its own liberty. These words, I think, reveal Lincoln's awareness that he wasn't battling for territory on a map. He was battling to preserve a nation "conceived in Liberty."

Lincoln asked:

"What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, the guns of our war steamers, or the strength of our gallant and disciplined army. These are not our reliance against a resumption of tyranny in our fair land. All of them may be turned against our liberties, without making us stronger or weaker for the struggle. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in our bosoms. Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere. Destroy this spirit, and you have planted the seeds of despotism around our doors. Familiarize yourselves with the chains of bondage, and you are preparing your own limbs to wear them. Accustomed to trample on the rights of those around you, you have lost the genius of your own independence, and become the fit subjects of the first cunning tyrant who rises."

So today, let us heed the wisdom of a man who led our nation to a "new birth of freedom." Let us always be, first and foremost, lovers of liberty.

Thank you


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To: WhiskeyPapa
Thanks for this timely thread. Waiting for the Neo Reb onslaught.
21 posted on 02/12/2003 2:52:47 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: WhiskeyPapa
President Lincoln vindicated against the neo-reb liars.

By WHOM? You, and the liberal O'Conner? Sheesh. Try harder, I am sure there are some other cut-and-paste jobs you can do to "prove" your assertion.

Deo Vindice!
22 posted on 02/12/2003 2:58:38 PM PST by safisoft
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To: Ditto
That may be a new world record. Three blatant misstatements of Constitutional facts in only one sentence. Congratulations.

None of these was a misstatement.

~ The Constitution did not authorize conscription. Madison made the framers' intent specific, in portions of The Federalist that discussed the militia: The sole national authority was for the rules of engagement (to borrow the current term of art) to be made standard across all state militias by Congress, including training and discipline standards and permitted weaponry. This was to allow the various militias to work together in matters of tools and organization, when this was required and authorized by Congress. (Or the federal or state executives, when it would "not admit of delay.") All other matters, including the selection of officers, were explicitly left in the hands of the states.

Madison both pointed out that the states and localities had long been granted the ability to compel militia participation, and disavowed any intention for Congress to trample on that prerogative -- except for the same emergency cases of "rebellion or invasion" that allowed the Congress to act to suspend habeas corpus. (Lincoln did so two years in advance of Congress doing so.)

Any conscription was thus placed in the hands of the states, and this was a prime example of a power that was "reserved" under the 10th Amendment.

~ The legislative history of the (second) 13th Amendment showed considerable revulsion to the excesses both of the anti-draft riots, which nearly burned down New York City, and of what the Radical Republicans feared would be a use of militias in readmitted states against freed blacks. Conscription was, by then, seen as a tool that states could easily misuse.

This aversion on the part of Congress led to the phrase "nor involuntary servitude" being added after the 13th's prohibition of slavery -- for it was, in fact, not redundant. Unfortunately, this distinction was blithely disregarded in the case law for the only challenge to conscription to come before the U.S. Supreme Court, the Selective Draft Law Cases of 1918-1919. SCOTUS simply knuckled under to the supposed necessity of the Congress having supremacy on military issues, and refused to examine the rationales for the 13th Amendment.

~ The New York and other state militias were federalized to put down the anti-draft riots only by a tortured twisting of the term "rebellion." Even the governor of New York did not go so far as to use that term. Lincoln asserted it and refused to seek congressional sanction, even though nothing prevented his doing so.

It was Lincoln's diversion to Manhattan of both militiamen and U.S. regulars, from campaigns in Virginia against the Confederacy, that greatly turned up the heat of the protests. This created the (literal) firestorms that would very likely have been avoided, out of the rioters' sheer exhaustion, had Lincoln simply left matters to the New York State authorities in the first place. The defiance of Lincoln's draft, however, had challenged him on the home front in a way that could not be fully hidden, even in sympathetic newspapers, and this was a P.R. failure that he felt he could not tolerate. Thus was a fully competent Congress once again simply bypassed, as an American emperor would do.

I'm not surprised that you and others don't know about these aspects of the anti-draft riots, though, as that entire episode has been largely suppressed in the aftermath of the Union's victory, and its rewriting of textbooks. I look forward to seeing a small restoration of that facet of history in the story of Scorsese's "Gangs of New York."

23 posted on 02/12/2003 3:02:08 PM PST by Greybird (“We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire.” —Garet Garrett, 1952)
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To: Greybird
Any conscription was thus placed in the hands of the states, and this was a prime example of a power that was "reserved" under the 10th Amendment.

Which is exactly how the draft was handled by both sides. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

24 posted on 02/12/2003 3:29:33 PM PST by Ditto (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Greybird
BTW. Read about the so-called New York "Draft Riots" here. The draft was a very secondary issue. The riots were instigated by the totally corrupt New York Democrat party machine to whip up support and then got out of hand. The Irish weren't so pissed about the draft, hell, thousands of them volunteered and any Irish in NYC who didn't want to go could hide so deep in the tenements that no Federal Marshall would ever find him, if any of them were crazy or had guts enough to look.

What set them off were democrat scare stories about Lincoln sending "four million contraband blacks" to New York to take their jobs away. It was a full court propaganda press by Mayor Woods and Tamneny Hall.

Read the real history for a change, not the polished stuff created years after the fact to soothe guilty consciences and heal reputations. You'll see that the Democrats played the same damn politics of division and racial hatred in 1863 as they do today. They just deal from the other side of the deck now. Al Sharpton is nothing new in New York politics. He continues the most sacred and time honored traditions of the Democrat Party.

25 posted on 02/12/2003 4:02:26 PM PST by Ditto (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Greybird
The Constitution did not authorize conscription.

Nor does it forbid it. The Constitution requires the government to provide for a common defense (Preamble), to raise and support an army (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 12), and to provide and maintain a Navy (Article I, Section 8, Clause 13). The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that conscription is a valid means of achieving these goals. I should note that the Constitution does not authorize a Marine Corps or an Air Force. I suppose you would suggest we do away with them?

I look forward to seeing a small restoration of that facet of history in the story of Scorsese's "Gangs of New York."

And you can back it up with that other great historical reference, "Gone With The Wind."

26 posted on 02/13/2003 4:31:27 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: safisoft
President Lincoln vindicated against the neo-reb liars.

By WHOM? You, and the liberal O'Conner?

As I recall, Justice O'Connor was one of the big players in throwing the 2000 election to Junior.

Walt

27 posted on 02/13/2003 5:23:55 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: Greybird
I look forward to seeing a small restoration of that facet of history in the story of Scorsese's "Gangs of New York."

It ain't there.

I can't believe that piece of crap movie has been nominated for best picture.

Walt

28 posted on 02/13/2003 5:25:54 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: Greybird
"Must I shoot a simple-minded boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert?.... I think that, in such a case, to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal a great mercy." [...] The President was not out to trample on the First Amendment.

"Silencing the agitator" IS trampling on the First Amendment, Madam Justice O'Connor.

Ya can't holler "fire" in a crowded theater and ya can't holler for the violent overthrow of the government.

Walt

29 posted on 02/13/2003 5:28:22 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: Greybird
~ The Constitution did not authorize conscription.

It allows for the Congress to provide for the general wefare and common defense, which it did from 1861-65.

Walt

30 posted on 02/13/2003 5:29:35 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I should note that the Constitution does not authorize a Marine Corps or an Air Force. I suppose you would suggest we do away with them?

Maybe the Air Force, sure.

Walt

31 posted on 02/13/2003 5:31:02 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The Constitution requires the government to provide for a common defense (Preamble), to raise and support an army (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 12), and to provide and maintain a Navy (Article I, Section 8, Clause 13).

The preamble has long been considered, by both Madison and most serious constitutional scholars over two centuries, to be a mere rhetorical statement of purpose, not an act of authorizing Congressional or any other power, which would have made Article I's details superfluous. (That hasn't stopped demagogues from appealing to "the general welfare" for any number of statist schemes.)

Beyond this, are you sure you want to go there, to make these powers to institute an army and navy into yet more infinitely elastic creations? As has been done for 125 years with the powers to regulate commerce between states and with foreign countries?

You know what monsters those have become. Now anything that ever once could conceivably have been carried in interstate commerce, whether it actually had been or not, is considered fair game. Such as with Roosevelt's original arguments for his National Recovery Act fascism, or the new proposals -- see Daschle's S. 22 -- for regulating firearm sales at gun shows.

Apart from this, the Congress has shown its contempt for any notion of limits by circumventing, with creative accounting, the Constitution's requirement that appropriations for a standing army be made for no longer than two years at a time. This was a check upon empire-builders in Congress, allowing those in the House to be voted out if the Army was used to impose domestic tyranny or create sources of graft.

Of course, they did the same thing to prepare for the 28th Amendment finally being ratified after 200-odd years, with how it disallowed Congressional pay-raise legislation without an election intervening ... they merely made the raise process permanent and automatic.

The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that conscription is a valid means of achieving these goals.

As I wrote, this has only reached them once (in 1918), and it took the form of the Court simply and ostentatiously refusing to second-guess Congress, clearly reading the political tea leaves. Which is not at all the same reasoning. It refused to explicitly endorse conscription as being constitutional, but it wouldn't stand in the way of such an action by Congress. (In much the same way as later cases stayed out of "political questions," such as, most recently, the revocation of treaties. I consider that to be judicial cowardice.)

And the rulings in those draft-law cases avoided any substantive discussion whatsoever, beyond that vague power of raising an army, of constitutional principles or text -- including, most notably, the 13th Amendment.

I should note that the Constitution does not authorize a Marine Corps or an Air Force. I suppose you would suggest we do away with them?

The Marine Corps predated the Constitution and has been the same, in essence, since 1775: a department of a larger Navy. The use of such seaborne troops was already fully understood to be within "providing a Navy" by the framers. It also had obvious restrictions -- most of all, the requirement for ship transport -- that made it less threatening to that generation than a permanent, land-based, national army.

The Air Force is a different matter, and genuine research and some constitutional controversy entered into the prospect of its becoming a separate service. That is, rather than its remaining part of the Army (the Air Corps), in analogy to the Marine Corps. This was finessed in two ways: The structure of command was made to follow the patterns and trappings of the Army, thus making it the equivalent of an "air army." And the question of funding was put aside by making the new Air Force part of a larger Department of Defense. (The two-years-at-a-time issue was worked around, once again, with unconstitutionally creative accounting.)

As for the movies touching on the 1863 draft riots: I meant "restoration" of a facet of history to the public consciousness, to spark inquiry and interest -- not taking fictional films as historical references. That last would be foolish, and has happened too often already, such as with Oliver Stone's "JFK."

32 posted on 02/13/2003 6:55:16 AM PST by Greybird (“We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire.” —Garet Garrett, 1952)
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To: Ditto
>> Any conscription was thus placed in the hands of the states, and this was a prime example of a power that was "reserved" under the 10th Amendment. <<

> Which is exactly how the draft was handled by both sides. I'm surprised you didn't know that. <

I had understood that the 1863 draft was intended to repopulate the U.S. Army regulars, not the militias, though I could have missed that detail.

Nonetheless, the imposition of conscription by an act of Congress, whether implemented by national action or through state militias, remained unauthorized, and in violation of both the guarantee of state militia independence in Article I and of the Second and Tenth Amendments -- Madison made this clear long before, and he was in a position to clarify it.

(As to the Second, the word "state" in that long-disputed first clause actually did have a definite constitutional meaning -- though to justify, not to restrict, the scope of a "right of the people.")

And the Confederate States Constitution adopted all three of these provisions nearly verbatim from the United States Constitution. So it was against any semblance of the rule of law, and merely "justified" by the assertion of wartime necessity, on both sides of the Potomac.

33 posted on 02/13/2003 7:10:41 AM PST by Greybird (“We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire.” —Garet Garrett, 1952)
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To: Greybird
The Marine Corps predated the Constitution and has been the same, in essence, since 1775: a department of a larger Navy.

The United States Marines were authorized 2 July, 1798.

Your whole argument is just a bit too slick and convenient.

Walt

34 posted on 02/13/2003 7:41:29 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
The Second Continental Congress raised the first battalions of Marines on 10 November 1775, and this is what the current Corps observes as its own founding date. The Navy and the Army also thus similarly observe and honor their having been instituted to wage battles for the Revolution.

Marines predated the Constitution of 1787, and were a part of the Navy, even if the present structure was not yet formed under the new Constitution.

Your whole argument is just a bit too slick and convenient.

Well, that rejoinder is both the politest in form and the emptiest in substance that I've seen around here in a long time! I thank you for the former, and shake my head in amusement (which is all it deserves) at the latter.

35 posted on 02/13/2003 8:05:44 AM PST by Greybird (“We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire.” —Garet Garrett, 1952)
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To: GOPyouth
A huge Republican Lincoln BUMP!

Thank you for this post. Just today my anti-cop, anti-Bush, pro-Castro, anti-Ashcroft criminal procedure professor was bitching about Lincoln doing this. She made the comment, "Most everybody will now say that this was a huge mistake my Lincoln." Sometimes I think she and others don't look back at the situation President Lincoln and the Union was facing.

Lay this on 'em:

"Lincoln, with his usual incisiveness, put his finger on the debate that inevitably surrounds issues of civil liberties in wartime. If the country itself is in mortal danger, must we enforce every provision safeguarding individual liberties even though to do so will endanger the very government which is created by the Constitution? The question of whether only Congress may suspend it has never been authoritatively answered to this day, but the Lincoln administration proceeded to arrest and detain persons suspected of disloyal activities, including the mayor of Baltimore and the chief of police."

-- Chief Justice of the United States William Rehnquist, February, 1999

Walt

36 posted on 02/13/2003 8:10:20 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: Greybird
"...shake my head in amusement (which is all it deserves) at the latter.

And ignore #28, #29 and #30.

Walt

37 posted on 02/13/2003 8:12:33 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: Greybird
The Second Continental Congress raised the first battalions of Marines on 10 November 1775, and this is what the current Corps observes as its own founding date.

Yeah, I heard that.

Walt

38 posted on 02/13/2003 8:13:46 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
And ignore #28, #29 and #30.

Your #28 and #30 were answered by my reply to Non-Sequitur. Your #29 shows an adherence to the faulty reasoning of Justice Holmes, which dealt with the theater -- not with overthrows. (Which in itself has been given latitude under the First Amendment by the courts, especially in peacetime.)

Read the thread below your own replies first, please. Not everything can or even should be answered directly. Principles operate here, and time is scarce. Sorry if that all sounds condescending -- it's not meant to be. It's intended to note facts.

39 posted on 02/13/2003 8:25:41 AM PST by Greybird (“We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire.” —Garet Garrett, 1952)
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To: Greybird
Your #29 shows an adherence to the faulty reasoning of Justice Holmes, which dealt with the theater

You were being too slick and convenient. The 1st amendment does not cover speech aimed at the violent overthrow of the government.

Walt

40 posted on 02/13/2003 8:28:54 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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