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Investigators weighing chance ice formed on shuttle vents; radar spotted object near Columbia
AP | 2/09/03 | PAUL RECER

Posted on 02/09/2003 3:21:51 PM PST by kattracks

SPACE CENTER, Houston (AP)-- Investigators are searching for evidence that a block of ice big enough to damage Columbia's wing may have formed on a waste water vent, a problem that plagued an earlier shuttle flight.

They also are looking closely at what may be two key pieces of Columbia debris -- a 2-foot piece of one wing, including an attached chunk of thermal tiles, and a 300-pound cover of a landing gear compartment, possibly the site of a sudden temperature rise moments before the shuttle broke apart.

One day after Columbia's Jan. 16 launch, military radar detected an object moving rapidly away from the shuttle. NASA said it is unknown what the object was, but the possibility that it could have been ice from a waste water vent sent investigators back to a detailed search for evidence that the shuttle may have formed ice throughout its mission.

Adm. Hal Gehman, head of a board investigating the Columbia accident, said Sunday that the object detected near the shuttle could have come from the spacecraft itself and could be ice.

He said the U.S. Space Command of the Air Force, which monitors objects in space, is providing data on the object to the investigators.

"These reports are emerging now right now," Gehman said. "It's too early to say if they mean anything."

The waste water vent, which is under the shuttle cabin, in front of the left wing, is used to expel into space both urine and surplus water generated from the shuttle's fuel cell power system.

Usually the water shoots out into the cold vacuum of space as a spray of crystals, but on at least one shuttle mission, in 1984, the water formed a basketball-sized chunk of ice on the lip of the vent. At the time, NASA engineers were so concerned the ice could damage the shuttle wing during re-entry that they ordered the astronauts aboard Discovery to use the shuttle's robot arm to break off the ice ball.

That heavy robot arm, which wasn't necessary for Columbia's 16-day science mission, was left off so more experiments could added, and the waste water vent could not be seen from the cabin by the seven astronauts. NASA spokesman Kyle Herring said it's possible ice could have formed and not been detected.

When Columbia fired its rockets to drop out of orbit, it could have sent any accumulated ice slamming into the wing where other data suggests there was severe damage to the thermal protection tiles. The theory is unproven and is only one of a number of scenarios being probed by engineers.

Although Gehman and the other members of the Columbia investigation board were appointed by NASA, Gehman said their charter gives them the authority to conduct testing in laboratories not affiliated with the space agency.

He said Sunday that the board will split up into three teams and each will gather data at different NASA centers. This will speed up the investigation, Gehman said. The board has 60 days to complete its investigation. Some critics said the board needs more time, noting that the commission that investigated the 1986 Challenger accident required 120 days to complete its investigation.

NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe said Sunday that no theory has been excluded.

"Nothing is off the table," he said on CNN. "We're going to let the Columbia accident board guide us in terms of their findings about what caused this accident."

More than 12,000 pieces of debris have been located in Texas and Louisiana, including what appears to be a hatch door with a hydraulic opening and closing mechanism that was found Sunday. O'Keefe said the debris will be transported to Kennedy Space Center starting this week where investigators will attempt to reassemble as much of it as possible, though it won't be easy.

"There is certainly no way we are going be able to reconstruct it. The pieces are just absolutely mangled," O'Keefe said. "It's an awful lot of tangled stuff."

The wing segment and landing gear compartment door found in Texas have captured the attention of engineers because they could have been near areas where the shuttle registered a rapid temperature rise during the last minutes of flight Feb. 1.

Gehman declined to say Sunday if the wing was from the left or right side and said he didn't know which side the landing gear door came from.

Mission Control received data from Columbia that showed a sudden rise in temperature in the left landing gear compartment and along the left side of the fuselage. The data also shows that there was increasing wind resistance from the left wing, forcing the autopilot to rapidly move control surfaces and fire jets to maintain stability. The craft seemed to be losing the control battle, engineers said, just before all communications with Columbia stopped.

NASA's shuttle missions are on hold now, but O'Keefe said Sunday that the agency is still preparing to resume flights as soon as the cause of Columbia's breakup is determined and any shuttle flaws are fixed. "We've still got folks aboard the international space station," he said.

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1 posted on 02/09/2003 3:21:51 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
bookmarked
2 posted on 02/09/2003 3:39:16 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: kattracks
Interesting.
3 posted on 02/09/2003 3:45:23 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Support and pray for our troops, and our President.)
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To: kattracks
How many times do they have to have a problem before they are SURE they have a contingency to handle it should it arise in the future (i.e., drop a few experiments and keep the arm (WITH a CAMARA ATTACHED TO THE END!)...)
4 posted on 02/09/2003 3:47:31 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: TLBSHOW
Fascinating bit of news there about the potential ice ball.

I would think that if the purported ice ball became detached before the re-entry firing, it would not have hit the wing with any significant force (since the orbiter and the ice ball were in essentially the same orbit.

If the ice ball was dislodged during the re-entry firing (with the orbiter inverted and flying backwards), then it could have hit the orbiter with some significant velocity, but would probably have been flung away from the orbiter during the post-firing re-entry maneuvering.

If the ice ball came off during the re-entry maneuvering (when the aero heating is the most severe) then the ice ball and the orbiter should be on the same flight path until the orbiter rolls or yaws and the ice ball doesn't, assuming that the drag difference of both bodies is not significant. I also think that the aero heating would vaporize the ice ball fairly quickly.

I guess my conclusion, after all this thinking out loud, is that if there was an ice ball that did this damage, then it happened early in the re-entry before there was significant aero heating but the orbiter was maneuvering (rolling and pitching).

It depends, of ocurse, on the presence of an ice ball. If it hit the orbiter, then there is likely no remains of it.

I guess they are looking at the radar returns after engine firing for re-entry and before aero heating started.
5 posted on 02/09/2003 3:59:24 PM PST by RandyRep
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To: RandyRep
here is another maybe.........

NASA Probes Whether Shuttle Struck by Space Debris
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030209/ts_nm/shuttle_dc_66
6 posted on 02/09/2003 4:01:54 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
BUMP!
7 posted on 02/09/2003 4:55:15 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: Lurking2Long
Is that our big shortcoming??...no exterior cameras.

The entire exterior should be able to be photographed from the ship and be transmitted back. We certainly have that technology..Yes???

8 posted on 02/09/2003 7:46:42 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: snopercod
thoughts?
9 posted on 02/09/2003 7:54:49 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: kattracks
When Columbia fired its rockets to drop out of orbit, it could have sent any accumulated ice slamming into the wing where other data suggests there was severe damage to the thermal protection tiles. The theory is unproven and is only one of a number of scenarios being probed by engineers.

This is plausible. An OMS firing imparts a pretty reasonable delta-V in a pretty short amount of time. During STS-39 video from the IBSS subsatellite showed the Shuttle flying back and forth across the FOV at a very good clip from a relatively short burn.

Whether the relative velocity is enough to cause that much damage.... I suppose if it was a big enough chunk of ice, it might do the trick. But I think the relative velocity wouldn't be much more than a few meters per second.

It's an interesting theory, though, and it seems more plausible than the foam one, especially since they've got on-orbit tracking to suggest that the conditions for ice formation were actually there.

10 posted on 02/09/2003 8:29:37 PM PST by r9etb
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To: All
In all of the post flight reports issued by KSC for the various shuttle missions, there is a section listing debris impacts. There are a surprising number of hits on every mission. Most are very small, but even paint chips have been known to blast a small crater in the shuttle's windshield.
Other space debris routinely leaves evidence of their 17,000 mph impact all over the shuttle. I'm always amazed at the number of strikes recorded each mission.
It would not surprise me at all to learn that the Columbia suffered a fatal strike. It's a wonder it took this long.
11 posted on 02/09/2003 9:54:01 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: bribriagain
I recall the "urine-cicle" on the previous mission. It looks like it was STS-66 in November 1994 [the article has the year wrong]. It is my recollection that it was a long icicle-shaped stalagtite, not "basketball sized". I probably have a video tape of it in a box in my basement since I used to record those missions on NASA TV, but it would take weeks to find it...

Memory fades, but I thought they added urine dump-port heaters after that.

A simultaneous supply/waste water dump was completed at 315:16:06 G.m.t. (07:23:06 MET) and was followed by a successful purge of the supply water dump line. Approximately 96 Ib of waste water and 117 Ib of supply water were dumped with no water system anomalies noted. The dump was observed by the RMS end-effector camera, which showed an icicle growing toward the supply dump nozle. The dump was terminated just before the icicle reached the supply nozzle. The base of the icicle was attached to the port payload bay door (PLBD). (Note: A portion of the icicle remained attached to the port PLBD throughout entry and landing.) Because of the ice formation, no further waste water dumps were performed. Sufficient ullage existed to support a nominal end-of-mission. Supply water was dumped through the FES.

Just offhand, this sounds like a more likely scenario than the ET foam striking the wing. There is no way the Astronauts could have seen it, since the urine dump port is above the wing, 3' aft of where the payload bay starts.

12 posted on 02/09/2003 10:31:01 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Sacajaweau
Unfortunately, it was a shortcoming that cost them their lives...
13 posted on 02/09/2003 10:35:34 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: snopercod
I stand corrected. There were (at least) two urine-cicles. STS 41-D (1984) had a meter-long "space icicle" that had to be knocked loose from the shuttle's water dump port.
14 posted on 02/09/2003 10:50:32 PM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod; XBob; bonesmccoy; wirestripper; Budge; spunkets; Jim Noble; r9etb
If anybody wants to calculate the hypothetical impact velocity of the urine-cicle, here are the numbers:

GIVEN:

  1. The thrust of the two OMS engines is 12,000 lbs.

  2. The mass of the Columbia at TIG [Time of IGnition] was ??? (No smart-a$$ answers about it being weightless)

  3. The size of the urine-cicle was probably a cone with a base diameter of 12" and a height of 30", or a sphere with a diameter of 12".

  4. The distance from the urine dump port to the glove area of the wing was approximately z=(1000-625) = 325 inches = 27ft.

15 posted on 02/10/2003 4:27:02 AM PST by snopercod
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To: Lurking2Long; First_Salute
Killed by their own urine?
16 posted on 02/10/2003 4:28:17 AM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
The shuttle mass was about 108,000 kg, and the thrust was ~53380 N. The acceleration was thus about 0.5 m/sec2.

The distance was about 9 meters, and it would take about 6 seconds for impact to occur, with a velocity of about 3 m/sec.

(I used my handy dandy orbit integrator to validate the result.)

If we assume a sphere of the dimensions you cite, the mass of the ball would be about 15 kg.

That's pretty heavy, and a sharp edge could have damaged the Shuttle even at the low relative velocity.

17 posted on 02/10/2003 7:39:55 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
That all looks right. Then the velocity upon impact would be 3 M/s or almost 20 MPH!
18 posted on 02/10/2003 8:35:26 AM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
Then the velocity upon impact would be 3 M/s or almost 20 MPH!

Actually, it's only about 6.7 MPH.

19 posted on 02/10/2003 8:38:00 AM PST by r9etb
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To: kattracks
One of the few things we do know is that the break up was not instantaneous. Minutes transpired with temperature sensors detecting something was amiss. If a urine ball or something hit the wing of the shuttle I would have thought at least one communication to Houston would have been "what the f@#K was that". Even in space, collision with the shuttle would have created sound inside.
20 posted on 02/10/2003 8:46:48 AM PST by Wurlitzer
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