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Train Derailed Downstate Illinois
FOX NEWS ^ | 2/9/03 | FOX NEWS

Posted on 02/09/2003 10:18:27 AM PST by JustPiper

I could use some help here...Fox news had a blurb in its ticker and then showed a train derailed on its side leaking some type of vinyl (?) chloride in a downstate town in Illinois of 700 who have been evacuated.

Now a story of this magnitude and I cannot find a blessed thing on all local channels, news radio, net etc, si I'm putting it to Freepers.

I also called CLTV which is our local cable news and she checked the wires and intended to call Foxc about it. Anyone picking up on anything, I'd appreciate it, my daughter and grandkids live downstate.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chemleak; evacuation
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To: Mo1
Thanx for the tip, is now in my favourites!
21 posted on 02/09/2003 11:19:49 AM PST by JustPiper
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To: SelmaLee
I hope your family is far removed from the danger. I'm about 25 miles away

Thank you, they are far enough away, talked to my daughter. How about you whats the update?

22 posted on 02/09/2003 11:21:14 AM PST by JustPiper
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To: BlessedBeGod
St. Louis Post-Dispatch and/or St. Louis-area TV/radio stations would be more likely to carry something happening around Carbondale than any of the news orgs. you mentioned above. It's the far-downstate mentality, you see. They associate MUCH more so with St. Louis as their "big city" than Chicago.
23 posted on 02/09/2003 11:24:00 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Nakatu X
"Yep, same thing is going on with Freepers and earthquakes. Fact is, we're not experiencing more earthquakes (in fact, we're experiencing fewer) historically, but a lot of Freepers are keeping track of earthquake news because of biblical prophecy."

My interest has nothing to do with prophecy, the earth has been in a 500+ year 'quiet' period. We're due for something, comet, meteorite, major volcano, earthquake, tsunami, you name it. (BTW, I am a catastrophist, so...)

24 posted on 02/09/2003 11:48:28 AM PST by blam
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To: JustPiper
To bad it didn't derail in springeld or the bridgeport area of chicago.
25 posted on 02/09/2003 12:00:32 PM PST by dts32041 (Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4".)
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To: JustPiper
Used to be a "hotbox" would cause this but they have been outlawed for years now.Most likely the cold temps and a broken rail.What most people don't know is that derailments occur everyday,most are not reported.
26 posted on 02/09/2003 12:21:13 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: JustPiper
from the guardian

TAMAROA, Ill. (AP) - A freight train carrying hazardous chemicals derailed in the middle of town Sunday and authorities evacuated 500 of the town's 800 residents. One chemical leaked and caught fire.

No injuries were reported after 16 to 21 cars of a northbound Illinois Central-Canadian National train derailed during the morning, authorities said.

Residents up to a mile from the scene were evacuated because the train was carrying vinyl chloride, formaldehyde and hydrochloric acid, Perry County Sheriff Keith Kellerman said.

``Those are the three chemicals we can identify now,'' he said.

All three chemicals are hazardous to breathe and could cause death in high concentrations, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Many emergency workers were kept away from the trains because of the danger, Kellerman said.

Vinyl chloride leaked from one or two cars and caught fire, said Kellerman and Canadian National spokesman Jack Burke. The fire was nearly under control within about three hours, Kellerman said.

The train, operated by a two-person crew, likely had 100 or more cars, Burke said. He said chemical-hauling trains typically roll north from Louisiana to Chicago or to a switching point in Effingham for movement elsewhere.

Each car carried 24,000 pounds of chemicals, Kellerman said.

Tamaroa is 28 miles north of Carbondale in southern Illinois.

27 posted on 02/09/2003 12:25:45 PM PST by knak
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To: John H K
People thought the same thing late last year but some intrepid FReepers found that the derailments hadn't increased at all, statistically.

***Bow***

Actually, as of last July, the rate was actually lower.

28 posted on 02/09/2003 1:44:02 PM PST by TomB
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To: SelmaLee
I'm about 25 miles away

Howdy, neighbor. I'm in Murphsyboro (and I didn't hear about this till just now.) Guess it's under control...?

29 posted on 02/09/2003 2:18:36 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Mostly muscle!)
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To: JustPiper
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/5143741.htm
30 posted on 02/09/2003 3:00:07 PM PST by inland (news website)
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To: A_perfect_lady
The video on Fox looks pretty bad, but the update on KFVS's website sounds like it is under control. They evacuated the entire town, apparently setting up shelters in DuQuoin.

Who knows, we may actually be neighbors - I'm in Murphysboro too - LOL!
31 posted on 02/09/2003 5:01:59 PM PST by SelmaLee (God bless our men and women in uniform.)
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To: eastforker
That would be Tamaroa
32 posted on 02/09/2003 5:20:37 PM PST by johnb838 (patience hell, let's go out and kill somethin')
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To: willieroe
Crap! That's way too close to my relatives.
33 posted on 02/09/2003 5:21:17 PM PST by johnb838 (patience hell, let's go out and kill somethin')
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To: willieroe
Evacuation centers have been set up in Dubois, Illinois.

Know the area well. Never heard of Dubois. I expect they mean DuQuoin (pron. Du-Coin).
34 posted on 02/09/2003 5:23:16 PM PST by johnb838 (patience hell, let's go out and kill somethin')
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To: johnb838
Dubois is off highway 51, just north of Tamaroa, west of Waltonville. At first that is where they were sending folks, then later they started sending them to DuQuoin.
35 posted on 02/09/2003 5:33:02 PM PST by SelmaLee (God bless our men and women in uniform.)
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To: dts32041
bridgeport area of chicago.

Daley doesn't live in Bridgeport anymo' ;)

37 posted on 02/09/2003 9:09:21 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: knak
I wonder what the cause of the derailing was, how they dispersed lethal chemicals and how many people were evacuated?
38 posted on 02/09/2003 9:10:44 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: SelmaLee
Who knows, we may actually be neighbors - I'm in Murphysboro too - LOL!

Shoot see, this post may have brought two lost kin together ;)

39 posted on 02/09/2003 9:12:14 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
Used to be a "hotbox" would cause this but they have been outlawed for years now.

Wheel bearings on railcars used to be simply the outer part of the axle resting in a cylindrical "pillow block" which was lubricated by heavy oil and packing material, and this was covered at the outside by an access lid. This led to the "box" terminology.

A "hotbox" referred to a bearing that had lost its lubrication or developed high friction for other reasons. Considering that the motive power of the locomotive could then dump hundreds of horsepower into this bearing which would get converted to heat, you could actually melt things, including the end of the axle off the wheel. What's more, this would be taking only a fraction of the locomotive's total power output, and so the engineer might not even notice what was happening until the hotbox caused a derailment.

Earlier in the 20th century, two companies, Timken and Hyatt, showed railroads a superior bearing design, using rollers, that drastically reduced rolling friction. The adoption of roller bearings on cars had two advantages: First, locomotives used less fuel to pull a train of equivalent capacity. Second, the incidence of over-temp bearings was dramatically reduced.

However, not eliminated. Even roller bearings can develop develop problems, and this is why large railroads now have robotic trackside 'hotbox detectors' that speak to the engineer (in synthesized voice) through the radio in his cab.

Some decades ago, the Federal Railway Administration outlawed the old-style journal bearings on regular freight and passenger cars, making roller bearings mandatory. (Diesels had them essentially from the beginning.) It causes difficulties for historical groups who need to transport old equipment from one place to another using rail mainlines.

So you can outlaw journal bearings but not 'hotboxes,' even though they're not really boxes at all anymore. <)B^)

And you're right about derailments; they happen all the time. And every one of 'em is a pain in the a55.

40 posted on 02/10/2003 5:24:04 AM PST by Erasmus
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