This is the image I get when Chuck is talked about in a general way.
But when his silly military uniforms and titles are talked about...well...all I think of is "Close-Order Swanning About."
Posted on 02/08/2003 4:40:22 PM PST by Pokey78
A SERIOUS rift has opened up between Prince Charles and the government because he is seen to be AGAINST a war on Iraq and AGAINST America.
Whitehall also believes the prince is sympathetic to the view of his Arab friends that war on Saddam Hussein is a bid by the US to grab a stake in the Middle East's oil.
Yet despite being colonel-in-chief to 17 regiments, Charles has shown little public support for the soldiers, airmen and sailors who are about to risk their lives in a Gulf conflict.
There are also worries that he makes no secret of his anti-American views in conversations with members of Arab royal families and their leading officials.
A Whitehall source said: "Downing Street tries not to involve the prince in anything— because they have concerns over how he will react.
"He has this lunatic view he is the voice of the people."
Formal
And a diplomatic insider said: "It would be very unhelpful if the prince were to indicate anything other than unswerving support for the government."
The prince's stance was illustrated last week when—in his role as colonel-in-chief of the Paras—he said a stiff, formal farewell to his men as they prepared to leave for the Gulf.
His visit to the Parachute Regiment barracks in Colchester does not merit a single line on his official website. It was not announced by his own office.
Yet his opening of an Islamic education centre in Leicester two weeks ago is reported on the website with 19 paragraphs, two pictures and a full transcript of his speech.
Charles is rightly feted for his pioneering work creating understanding and tolerance between Islam and other faiths.
He also holds many honorary military positions, including chief to the Welsh Guards, the Paras and the Gurkhas. He is Vice-Admiral in the Royal Navy, Air Marshal in the RAF and Lieutenant General in the Army.
Critics say the prince likes to cut a dash in the Paras' coveted red beret—strutting around with a chestful of medals on his tunic. But they ask how the men of the Parachute Regiment would feel if they knew their colonel's true feelings on the war.
The prince's views have led to a worrying split with the American leadership. Two months ago, Charles had to abandon an official visit to the US because the White House made it clear he wasn't wanted.
The snub—directly from President Bush—came after security sources advised that Charles's presence in America would be "very unhelpful".
Washington diplomats were concerned the prince would show his disapproval during meetings with President Bush.
Charles—who reads the Koran every day and often adopts Islamic dress at home—spends long hours discussing the Middle East's problems with Saudi royal family members.
One of his closest friends is the former Saudi ambassador Ghazi Algosaibi who wrote a poem in praise of the first woman suicide bomber.
Algosaibi said that the "doors of heaven are opened for her". He once described the Israelis as worse than Nazis and he was a regular guest at Highgrove—Prince Charles's country home—before he was recalled by his government last year.
Charles is also close to King Abdullah of Jordan. His glamorous wife Queen Rania is a close friend of the prince's partner, Camilla Parker Bowles and is a regular guest at St James's Palace.
In private the prince talks about "Americanimperi-alism" collapsing the whole of the Middle East.
"Of course Saddam is an evil man, but American imperialism will not solve the problem," he said in one discussion.
He sympathises with his Saudi royal friends when they talk about their fears of America's true intentions in Iraq.
One close friend said: "They believe the US intends to collapse the whole Gulf economy and take control of oil.
"Once that happens the tensions in Israel and Palestine will explode."
Fraught
Charles's meeting three days ago with French President Jacques Chirac was fraught with diplomatic concerns.
Before the meeting the Foreign Office asked the Prince of Wales's staff if he would promise not to discuss Iraq.
They said yes, but Charles would feel free to give an opinion if Chirac raised Iraq first.
Downing Street is understood to have washed its hands of winning Charles's support.
"At such a sensitive time his views are wrong, wrong, wrong," said a Whitehall source.
"Unfortunately he is making them a little too widely known."
Is he the one with the wings?
I have long known that real English aristocrats -- the Cecils come to mind -- have little use for the Germans on the throne. I must say Charles has always struck me as a particularly inept member of a family known for its lack of deftness. Perhaps its time to start casting about for a replacement. Prince William is half a Spencer, which is a respectable family, but I'm not sure he's worth the candle.
As the descendent of several of the barons who brought John to book at Runnymeade and (illegitimately) of John, I think it's time to put paid the the Germans in London -- send them packing back to Hannover or Gotha or wherever they'll take them in -- and bring back a good Anglo-Norman line. If there are no reasonably close descendents of the Plantagenets around, I'll settle for Lancaster or York, or even the House of Orange. But, no more bloody Germans!
Several articles I have read strongly indicate that said bozo is the defender of the faith: Radical Enviornmentalism, (Earth Worship)
Chuckie is so much like his late and unlamented great-uncle that it's eerie. The erratic behavior, the odd taste in women (I think they both are looking for mothers, not partners, certainly Eddie was), and the strange political tendencies are all there. Plus in Charles's case the Edward VII syndrome of having to wait into late middle age or even his sunset years to get a "real job".
Although Edward VIII was certainly better looking.
Victoria certainly was 100 percent unadulterated Kraut (daughter of one of the "damned millstones" referred to by Wellington and yet another one of those stupid Coburgs) and of course so was Prince Albert. And her son Edward married Alix of Denmark but she wasn't Danish - more Coburgs and some Holsteins and Hesses and Oldenburgs (the latter three good horse breeds but not the most stable or intelligent of human bloodlines.) George V bred back into the Hanovers again with Queen Mary, but George VI did outcross into good Scottish stock (the Earls of Strathmore). Of course Prince Philip is no more Greek than I am, Battenburgs and Oldenburgs and a Russian grandmother who was half Coburg (how they DO keep cropping up!)
I think the Coburgs are the problem, two outcrosses to the Bowes-Lyons and the Spencers just aren't sufficient to counteract the hereditary taint. I used to breed Siamese cats, and I wouldn't line breed like this!
This is the image I get when Chuck is talked about in a general way.
But when his silly military uniforms and titles are talked about...well...all I think of is "Close-Order Swanning About."
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