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Hold your peace (Prince Charles against Iraq war and against America?)
News of the World (U.K.) ^ | 02/09/03 | CLIVE GOODMAN

Posted on 02/08/2003 4:40:22 PM PST by Pokey78

A SERIOUS rift has opened up between Prince Charles and the government because he is seen to be AGAINST a war on Iraq and AGAINST America.

Whitehall also believes the prince is sympathetic to the view of his Arab friends that war on Saddam Hussein is a bid by the US to grab a stake in the Middle East's oil.

Yet despite being colonel-in-chief to 17 regiments, Charles has shown little public support for the soldiers, airmen and sailors who are about to risk their lives in a Gulf conflict.

There are also worries that he makes no secret of his anti-American views in conversations with members of Arab royal families and their leading officials.

A Whitehall source said: "Downing Street tries not to involve the prince in anything— because they have concerns over how he will react.

"He has this lunatic view he is the voice of the people."

Formal

And a diplomatic insider said: "It would be very unhelpful if the prince were to indicate anything other than unswerving support for the government."

The prince's stance was illustrated last week when—in his role as colonel-in-chief of the Paras—he said a stiff, formal farewell to his men as they prepared to leave for the Gulf.

His visit to the Parachute Regiment barracks in Colchester does not merit a single line on his official website. It was not announced by his own office.

Yet his opening of an Islamic education centre in Leicester two weeks ago is reported on the website with 19 paragraphs, two pictures and a full transcript of his speech.

Charles is rightly feted for his pioneering work creating understanding and tolerance between Islam and other faiths.

He also holds many honorary military positions, including chief to the Welsh Guards, the Paras and the Gurkhas. He is Vice-Admiral in the Royal Navy, Air Marshal in the RAF and Lieutenant General in the Army.

Critics say the prince likes to cut a dash in the Paras' coveted red beret—strutting around with a chestful of medals on his tunic. But they ask how the men of the Parachute Regiment would feel if they knew their colonel's true feelings on the war.

The prince's views have led to a worrying split with the American leadership. Two months ago, Charles had to abandon an official visit to the US because the White House made it clear he wasn't wanted.

The snub—directly from President Bush—came after security sources advised that Charles's presence in America would be "very unhelpful".

Washington diplomats were concerned the prince would show his disapproval during meetings with President Bush.

Charles—who reads the Koran every day and often adopts Islamic dress at home—spends long hours discussing the Middle East's problems with Saudi royal family members.

One of his closest friends is the former Saudi ambassador Ghazi Algosaibi who wrote a poem in praise of the first woman suicide bomber.

Algosaibi said that the "doors of heaven are opened for her". He once described the Israelis as worse than Nazis and he was a regular guest at Highgrove—Prince Charles's country home—before he was recalled by his government last year.

Charles is also close to King Abdullah of Jordan. His glamorous wife Queen Rania is a close friend of the prince's partner, Camilla Parker Bowles and is a regular guest at St James's Palace.

In private the prince talks about "Americanimperi-alism" collapsing the whole of the Middle East.

"Of course Saddam is an evil man, but American imperialism will not solve the problem," he said in one discussion.

He sympathises with his Saudi royal friends when they talk about their fears of America's true intentions in Iraq.

One close friend said: "They believe the US intends to collapse the whole Gulf economy and take control of oil.

"Once that happens the tensions in Israel and Palestine will explode."

Fraught

Charles's meeting three days ago with French President Jacques Chirac was fraught with diplomatic concerns.

Before the meeting the Foreign Office asked the Prince of Wales's staff if he would promise not to discuss Iraq.

They said yes, but Charles would feel free to give an opinion if Chirac raised Iraq first.

Downing Street is understood to have washed its hands of winning Charles's support.

"At such a sensitive time his views are wrong, wrong, wrong," said a Whitehall source.

"Unfortunately he is making them a little too widely known."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 02/08/2003 4:40:22 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
... "He has this lunatic view he is the voice of the people" ...
Indeed.
2 posted on 02/08/2003 4:48:15 PM PST by Asclepius (hoping for the best)
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To: Pokey78
Isn't it refreshing to live in a country that had the balls to tell their former king to go to hell? May the inbred, adulterous bonnie Prince Charlie rot there as well...
3 posted on 02/08/2003 4:51:43 PM PST by egarvue (Martin Sheen is not my president...)
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To: Pokey78
Does anyone care what the human tampon thinks?
4 posted on 02/08/2003 4:52:59 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Pokey78
That big-eared bloke has good taste too.

Seems like he would have rather kept the horse-faced gene in his family, considering the old ugly bag he preferred over Diana.

5 posted on 02/08/2003 4:54:27 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Pokey78; MadIvan
What relation, exactly, is Chuck to the pro-NAZI Duke of York of the WWII era?
6 posted on 02/08/2003 4:55:52 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: MadIvan
Enlighten us, please. What is Mad Ivan's take on this?
7 posted on 02/08/2003 4:57:44 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
You mean the Duke of Windsor, formerly the Prince of Wales and Edward VIII - he is Charles' great uncle.

Regards, Ivan

8 posted on 02/08/2003 4:58:05 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr
Charles—who reads the Koran every day and often adopts Islamic dress at home—spends long hours discussing the Middle East's problems with Saudi royal family members.

As the head of the Church of England, does he ever read his Bible ?

Me thinks the Crowns's fear of a Muslim too close to the throne (in the case of Dodi Fayed and Princess Di) was misplaced. It seems that Charles has taken on alien robes.

9 posted on 02/08/2003 4:58:24 PM PST by happygrl
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To: NonValueAdded
My take is that Charles is erratic. Sometimes he does good things like refusing to meet with Jiang Zemin and criticising modern architecture. Other times he is just plain bizarre - preferring Camilla Parker Bowles to Princess Di, for example (In case he's reading this - Charles, I don't fancy yours, mate).

I have a fundamental gut feeling that Charles should not be king, and that it should pass to Wills who will be a good king precisely because he doesn't want the job. This feeling is only reinforced by stories like this.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 02/08/2003 5:00:35 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Pokey78
Charles should know by Bubba's example that the American public doesn't care about the opinions of a man who has made a living off of the public dole his entire life.
11 posted on 02/08/2003 5:01:19 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Pokey78
"Charles—who reads the Koran every day and often adopts Islamic dress at home"

What the?

This bozo is supposed to be "the defender of the Faith (Christianity)"

12 posted on 02/08/2003 5:02:13 PM PST by keithtoo
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To: happygrl; dighton; dennisw; Yehuda; aculeus; general_re
It seems that Charles has taken on alien robes.


13 posted on 02/08/2003 5:02:24 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: happygrl
Probably thinks he's Lawrence of Arabia or something.
14 posted on 02/08/2003 5:02:50 PM PST by Tax-chick (Subtext intentional)
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To: Tax-chick
Hey Bonnie Prince Charlie!!!! Get a JOB!!! Why don't we stop subsidizing these inbred morons!?!?!?
15 posted on 02/08/2003 5:06:54 PM PST by bevlar (I used to be a sweet old lady until "libs" came along)
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To: Pokey78
If it weren't for Tony Blair, there would be no more monarchy following Princess Diana's death.

Ugly man should just shut up and go back to talking to his veggies.

16 posted on 02/08/2003 5:08:17 PM PST by OldFriend (THE GAME IS OVER)
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To: MadIvan
I suspect the Queen agrees with you that Charles should NOT be king.
17 posted on 02/08/2003 5:09:55 PM PST by OldFriend (THE GAME IS OVER)
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To: Asclepius
I have this vision of Charles in his castle jumping up and down stomping his feet because no rational person takes him seriously.
18 posted on 02/08/2003 5:10:07 PM PST by cowtowney
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To: MadIvan
Charles—who reads the Koran every day and often adopts Islamic dress at home—spends long hours discussing the Middle East's problems with Saudi royal family members.

I find this hard to believe.

Looking at the home page of The News of the World it appears to be the British version of the Enquirer. Does this paper have any credibility? Are there any other sources for this information?

19 posted on 02/08/2003 5:11:11 PM PST by kanawa (Live right, die right)
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To: MadIvan
IMHO, he's too close to the Arabs and should NOT be King, I'm hoping Prince William has a better head on his shoulder than Prince Charles.

Charles was an adulterer and it was his abandonment of her that set her off into a very bad path.
20 posted on 02/08/2003 5:13:44 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (God Bless President Bush, God Bless Our Security Forces, God Bless America and her Allies)
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