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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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To: Taffini
that's another thing--mimes---who on earth could consider that entertaining? how why??????????

In response to the now famous question, "What's wrong with France?" one writer noted:
"Two words. Jerry Lewis."

161 posted on 02/07/2003 6:52:05 PM PST by GVnana
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To: MadIvan
one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

Dont get our way eh?

well i dont like not gettin my way, guess ill turn all of you into FRENCHIE FRIES!!

Case closed, gates to iraq war open

162 posted on 02/07/2003 6:54:11 PM PST by Marines981 ("Rattle the big dogs cage and get your a** bit")
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To: MadIvan
By the way who liberated your wine-chuggin as*es?
163 posted on 02/07/2003 6:55:06 PM PST by Marines981 ("Rattle the big dogs cage and get your a** bit")
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To: GVgirl
re: your post #159

GREAT post.
164 posted on 02/07/2003 7:08:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MadIvan
“cheese-eating surrender monkeys”. Yep i just caught a snapshot of the french foreign minister:


165 posted on 02/07/2003 7:11:00 PM PST by Marines981 ("Rattle the big dogs cage and get your a** bit")
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To: MadIvan
Yes Ivan, the Bulldog of GB VS the french chihuahua. Isn't that somewhat an unfair fight? Not satisfied, the french chihuahua is going after the American eagle as well. But in a barking contest, the shrill chihuahua may not be in as much dis-advantage.
166 posted on 02/07/2003 7:21:21 PM PST by desertcry
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To: MadIvan
France needs a "back of the hand" bitch slap that would rattle there teeth
167 posted on 02/07/2003 7:21:40 PM PST by tophat9000
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To: Paul Atreides

168 posted on 02/07/2003 7:33:42 PM PST by weegee
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To: Marines981
Step off the stage of world events France: Your time is over!
169 posted on 02/07/2003 7:34:48 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: CARepubGal
Total Amen
170 posted on 02/07/2003 7:35:42 PM PST by Marines981 ("Rattle the big dogs cage and get your a** bit")
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To: dfwgator
"“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous."

It's not a game, and it was over for the French in 1940.

171 posted on 02/07/2003 7:39:18 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep
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To: appeal2
Laf! I called my 13 yr old girl down to read the thread. She loved the accordion one. Thankfully it was only to post 100 :)
172 posted on 02/07/2003 7:42:26 PM PST by America's Resolve ("We have prepared for the unbelievers, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran 76:4)
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To: MadIvan
Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

BS!!! Al Bundy and I hated the french when hating the french wasn't cool!!! We don't NEED a reason beyond their being ingrates, snobs and french!!

173 posted on 02/07/2003 8:00:51 PM PST by America's Resolve ("We have prepared for the unbelievers, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran 76:4)
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To: MadIvan
Going to war without the French, is like going hunting without an acordian.
174 posted on 02/07/2003 8:02:18 PM PST by ChadGore
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To: MadIvan
...the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”...

That's not a characterization that's a description.

175 posted on 02/07/2003 8:03:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Yo, France...sour grapes make a lousy whine.)
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To: MadIvan
France: A country where every woman between the ages of 16 and 65 must have at the ready a white bed sheet to surrender with as the men cower in fear.
176 posted on 02/07/2003 8:10:31 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: America's Resolve
It is good to hate the French!
177 posted on 02/07/2003 8:12:01 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: jwalsh07
"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys"

"Beer-drinking weinie dogs".

Well, somebody asked.....

Leni

178 posted on 02/07/2003 8:16:44 PM PST by MinuteGal (Escape to FReeper Island on "FReeps Ahoy" cruise. Register today or weep later!)
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To: ApesForEvolution
EuroIslamotrash. I like it.
179 posted on 02/07/2003 8:18:21 PM PST by mosby
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To: humblegunner
thanks for my laff-o-the-day
180 posted on 02/07/2003 8:19:20 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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