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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
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To: Guillermo
Nice people, frogs.
141 posted on 02/07/2003 5:21:02 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: jackbill
I was afraid you were going to say that! So frog legs are a staple along with snails. UGH!!!! Always knew there was no reason to go to France!
142 posted on 02/07/2003 5:21:08 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Guillermo
Well, at least they have a good reason!
143 posted on 02/07/2003 5:21:46 PM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: PhiKapMom
They still think Jerry Lewis is a great talent.

'Nuff said, PKM.

144 posted on 02/07/2003 5:22:43 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: PhiKapMom
Cause they eat frog legs!

In French it's "grenouille".
145 posted on 02/07/2003 5:22:59 PM PST by Guillermo (Sic 'Em)
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To: Caipirabob
What did you expected from the French anyway?
1./They resisted the Germans almost 3 weeks in WWII.
2./They collaborated with the Gestapo, even more than the Allies of Germany! And Marshall Petain didn't do that alone!
3./They have almost as much mosque as church, no wonder why France is the favored destination for a muslim emmigrants.
regards:
laszlobn
146 posted on 02/07/2003 5:24:05 PM PST by laszlobn
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To: antiLiberalCrusader

147 posted on 02/07/2003 5:31:46 PM PST by eshu
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To: MadIvan
We should just ingnore these surrender monkeys and go after Iraq. The French can't do anything to stop us anyway.
148 posted on 02/07/2003 5:33:43 PM PST by David1
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To: The Raven; MadIvan
She said the problem with the UK has to do with agriculture.

"I do not dislike the French for the vulgar antipathy between neighbouring nations, but for their insolent and unfounded airs of superiority" (Horace Walpole 1787)

149 posted on 02/07/2003 5:51:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy
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To: MadIvan
"They are looking for a weapon of mass destruction,.."

The French idea of weapons of mass destruction is Italian wine and head cheese.

150 posted on 02/07/2003 6:05:21 PM PST by duckman (all ducked up with no place to go..)
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To: MadIvan
Ivan always seems to get great results when starting a thread :-)

My Frog story: While stationed in Germany, a few of us decided to drive to France and go camping (actually there are many Frog stories associated with this misadventure but you only get one).

On our way back to Germany we stopped at a French version of HoJo's along the autobahn just outside the German border. All we wanted to do was exchange our Franks into Marks.

We walk in and there was 130-year old Frenchie standing behind the Exchange counter. We put down our money and my friend said in his worst French, "We'd like to exchange this for Marks". I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what somebody wants to do when they put money down on AN EXCHANGE COUNTER and say the currency you'd like.

Anyhow, the old man just stood there. My buddy must have tried 50 variations in French that we wanted to exchange our money into Deutschmarks. Old guy just stood there.

Finally, exaspirated, my friend said to the old guy in German, "Do you speak German?" Upon hearing that the elderly Frog straightened up and said, IN PERFECT ENGLISH, "Why should I speak German? We won the war!"

Yeah, right you did. Coulda slugged the guy. But he was typical of the all the Frogs we met.
151 posted on 02/07/2003 6:13:44 PM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: Paul Atreides
A mime is a terrible thing to waste...
152 posted on 02/07/2003 6:23:19 PM PST by Treebeard (Oops, I've soiled me armor...)
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To: null and void
the french would EAT anything--they invented it--it doesn't have to be washed first either
153 posted on 02/07/2003 6:29:39 PM PST by Taffini (I like tony soprano even if he is a fat-boy)
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To: okchemyst
that's another thing--mimes---who on earth could consider that entertaining? how why??????????
154 posted on 02/07/2003 6:31:03 PM PST by Taffini (I like tony soprano even if he is a fat-boy)
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To: MadIvan
Frog hating Bump! I love England (don't quite get some things Mr Blair does but at least your country is not (and will never ever be) a bunch of whiny ass frog eating surrender happy chickensh*ts like the faggots across the channel). :-) And France is despicable. Germany is expected to behave badly. France has been given many chances to pull their collective heads out of their fourth point of contact post 1789 but chooses to be losers.
155 posted on 02/07/2003 6:32:27 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: MadIvan
France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Rivalry? Sure and Manchester United has an ongoing rivalry with your local tiny-tots football team.

156 posted on 02/07/2003 6:33:50 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (I don't believe in hyphenating Americans)
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To: MadIvan
I have to admit, I thought I'd never see the day when America was at daggers drawn with France to the same level that Britain is. That day has come.

You sell us short! I never doubted it for a minute!

The UK and the US together forever! To hell and back again!

157 posted on 02/07/2003 6:38:36 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Great story!
158 posted on 02/07/2003 6:40:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Lancey Howard
Why would anybody in the US give a rat's behind about a little pissant country located somewhere in the middle of old Europe?

Might I interject? The invasion of Iraq will begin when the last French invoice for nerve agents has been shredded by Saddam's toadies. (in the opinion of Oliver North, and I'm inclined to believe him.)

The French conscience is below American radar -- hard to read. The French were knowingly and openly complicit in the export of Jews to German death camps, and even formed their own domestic units to do the job. (Something they pretend they don't know.)

The French probably don't need America. After all, their GNP can be made by consorting with 3rd World despots. And they're very good about wiping the blood off their hands.

159 posted on 02/07/2003 6:41:54 PM PST by GVnana
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To: MadIvan
“The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

Was it a tantrum at Normandy when we saved their butts? Let's hope we never help the French again, let them don their Burqas and surrender to the Islamofascists, it serves them right.

160 posted on 02/07/2003 6:45:38 PM PST by EaglesUpForever
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