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Grunts' Gear Is Low Tech, High Tech and Too Heavy
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, February 7, 2003 | ANTONIO REGALADO

Posted on 02/07/2003 6:15:30 AM PST by TroutStalker

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:48:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

If President Bush orders an invasion of Iraq, U.S. soldiers could face a fight in the streets of Baghdad -- unlike in Desert Storm, when the battle was won by tanks and aircraft in the open desert. Such an urban war requires different skills and equipment, and far more reliance on infantry troops.


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To: Poohbah
They always seem to find something new to put on a grunt. And if they don't, the grunt will probably decide to haul some more ammo, "just in case."

I heard Keegan say a few years ago that the Ancient Greeks went into battle carrying about 70 lbs. and it's been the same ever since, regardless of the technology.

21 posted on 02/07/2003 4:02:55 PM PST by colorado tanker (the game is over)
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To: river rat
You know the home team always has the home field advantage, he can disappear and become a "civilian" when it gets too hot, and he can have extra ammo cached here and there.

The "visitors" have to carry it all on their backs! Until the next resupply, which may be one firefight after you are out of ammo and dead!

22 posted on 02/07/2003 4:06:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Squantos; river rat
Yeah, they should assign "ammo caddies" to each grunt! A robot ATV or a 'Yard or a Sherpa, whatever works.
23 posted on 02/07/2003 4:08:51 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Nahhhh it'd never get past the testing phase.....the robot or the ammo bearer would'nt know a 9 iron from Howdah pistol. Perfumed prince's with stars would'nt approve such.

Stay Safe !!

24 posted on 02/07/2003 4:25:21 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Hoplite
You see, Mr. Prrresident, vonce ve haff eqvipped our truppen vit der superior hellllmet, ve can prrrrogress tovards improffink zehr mobility - ve are movink avay from ze motorized models and haff a functionink prrrototype in field trialz...

Zoon, mein fuhrer, er, Mr. President, zorry, ve shall have soldaten who vill be unschtoppable und ve can rule ze vorld!

or check into a psycho ward and send posts to yourself on FR, whichever comes first eh?

25 posted on 02/07/2003 5:24:32 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: colorado tanker
Same in WW I. then they'd add a roll of barbed wire, a shovel or a pick , maybe a sack of mills bombs.

"Eeer you lot, take this base plate and these timbers too!"
26 posted on 02/07/2003 5:39:17 PM PST by tet68
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To: Travis McGee
"You know the home team always has the home field advantage".......

That "home team" blade can cut both ways..
We were NEVER reluctant to burn or bring down everything in the way to get to a target..
I would be more reluctant to burn my own neighborhood to get to a single target...

All things considered....I would rather fight in their back yard.... Not mine...

But if they do bring it to us --- it's going to be bad.. Very bad....for everyone involved.

Semper Fi

27 posted on 02/07/2003 7:30:20 PM PST by river rat (Help save the planet ...... Work toward the extinction of Jihadists....ARM THYSELF)
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To: river rat
You are right of course. I was only referring to the load bearing demands on soldiers.

The local boys can run around with three magazines in their pockets and run circles around grunts with 80# loads.

28 posted on 02/07/2003 7:39:26 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TroutStalker
What's that crappy powder-fag blue helmet on the right doing in the picture ???
29 posted on 02/07/2003 7:50:31 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah, they should assign "ammo caddies" to each grunt!

I can see it now ....
It's 1500 meters to the bad guy .... hand me the .50 iron.

30 posted on 02/07/2003 7:57:09 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Travis McGee
They need to spend less time with new high-tech gadgets, and more time improving the basic boot, and rifle.
31 posted on 02/08/2003 6:13:13 AM PST by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: Matthew James; Centurion2000; Squantos; harpseal
See number 30 for a great laugh!
32 posted on 02/08/2003 8:39:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: river rat
Re: the compass it may not be high tech but it is reliable except when you got a major deposit of loadstone nearby. Still I refuse to be without one
33 posted on 02/08/2003 9:13:08 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Poohbah
And if they don't, the grunt will probably decide to haul some more ammo, "just in case."

Add in an extra claymore or two, some extra C-4, and jsut for good measure a couple of extra grenades and I would totally agree. Water and stuff that goes bang are the most important thing but when carrying comm gear extra batteries are as important as extra ammunition.

34 posted on 02/08/2003 9:16:39 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Centurion2000; Travis McGee; Squantos
Is the combat knife equivalent to the putter?
35 posted on 02/08/2003 9:17:29 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Matthew James; Travis McGee
Agree 100% .....Some of the best things developed in my era were the Danner brand Arcadia and Ft Lewis Boots, insulated or not. (Dear Danner please replace your boot laces with 550 para cord so I don't have to when I buy em :o) Also the Gore-Tex ECWCS replacement for poncho, field jacket and Parka. A case of one item replacing 3 per se.

Polar fleece, 300 weight or thicker and polypropolyene expedition weight long johns. Lighter sleeping bags from Wiggy's Inc that could be tailored to the conditions versus a intermediate or a extream cold choice only.

The Leatherman Tool and the Swiss Army (victoriainox) pocket knives were a tool box for the grunt for field repairs of PRC radios and other built by the lowest bidder crap.

My low tech never leave home without it was my Randall 14 knife with my dupont #5 crimpers and a Mk 13 Day Night flare attached. The basic tools of my trade in EOD.

Also the little Photon series LED lights will lead a thinking troop to toss his old 2 "D" cell flashlight away . For bivoac and general light requirements those little button lights worked every time. Even when wet they worked well for me. I attached a small velcro dot to the under side of my hats bill and when I wasn't in tactical mode and needed a headlamp for hands on tasks that little light was just the ticket. Some of the recent AA LED flashlights put out more light and battery life is ten fold vs that old L shaped POS. It did it's service well , time to retire it to better technology for "general purpose issue".

My ballistic vest that I used was an after market (we got away with that in EOD sometimes ) buy that also incorporated 2 camel back bags with drink tubes, 8 M16 magazines, 4 frag pockets and gear straps for a rolled up ecwcs foul weather jacket and pants. A pouch for a IV setup w/ combat tampons ect and a Saber radio pouch w/ a bone mic wire and drink tube sleeve. Word came to gear up it was one piece to don and go. Our side arm was carried in a eagle thigh holster as was 4 spare M16 magazines on the weak side thigh in an eagle brand carrier.

A pack that was issued late in my career was the CFP 90 that properly washed and reinforced by the parachute riggers sewing machine was IMHO perfect for existance loads and team gear.

The glock e-tool was lighter and easier to dig to china with and had a saw in the handle that actually worked well. It would hold a sharpened edge for quasi machete duty better than issue also. I never really liked the new and improved e-tool with the triangle handle as it seemed to bite your hands as you dug in hard. Up till I "bought out of pocket a Glock E-tool I carried my Korea-Nam Era E-tool with the straight handle and a pick. I would'nt have gave up the pick style e-tool had I not broke it and had a Glock handed to me ........Good tool !

I could rant about what "I" think is best , better and POS all day long but now in retirement I'm a minimal ultralite backpacker that cuts my toothbrush in half and carries 2 bandanas. One marked Face and the other Butt..........do that in the dark "once".....

Ya'll Stay Safe !

36 posted on 02/08/2003 9:28:13 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: harpseal
LOL.....MY # 36.......Stay Safe !
37 posted on 02/08/2003 9:29:12 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Hoplite
Interesting. The extra weight carried by soldiers will never change. I've been watching it for over thirty years. They will carry whatever they can bear. Remember, though, that in Mogadishu, Somalia the Rangers took out the ceramic plates in the body armor (too heavy and uncomfortable), didn't bring their night vision hardware, and discarded their canteens because they weren't going to be gone that long.

When I was an enlisted man I always ended up carrying the radio or mortar plate because I was bigger than average. MSG Romero has done more to serve the front line warrior than a whole auditorium of REMF engineers.

38 posted on 02/08/2003 9:41:47 AM PST by Movemout
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To: Squantos
bump
39 posted on 02/08/2003 9:44:29 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: river rat
I picked up on that limp-wristed "fascinating" too, river. How long O' Lord?
40 posted on 02/08/2003 10:05:42 AM PST by Let's Roll (Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.)
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