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Alternative to meteor and foam theory?
1 posted on 02/05/2003 6:50:16 PM PST by gitmo
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So where's the photo?
2 posted on 02/05/2003 6:53:37 PM PST by Bogey78O (It's not a Zero it's an "O")
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To: gitmo
Or it could be a SYMPTOM of a problem induced by a meteor or foam impact on the TPS.
3 posted on 02/05/2003 6:54:33 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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The Chinese Communist Party Central Committee and State Council have "specially allocated" $10 billion to implement a strategic request by the Ministry of National Defense and armed services General Staff for additional high-tech and strategic nuclear weapons, the Hong Kong Tai Yang Bao newspaper reports.

Military specialists in Beijing, adds Tai Yang Bao, believe production of the high-tech weapons will begin soon. The new weapons will include supersonic bombers, extra-long-range modified anti-warship missiles, sky-wave and ground-wave over-the-horizon radars, as well as tactical air defense laser weapons and shore-to-warship laser cannon weapons.

4 posted on 02/05/2003 6:57:34 PM PST by ez ("If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning." - GWB)
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To: gitmo
Could this have been some form of electron beam weapon?
6 posted on 02/05/2003 6:59:49 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: gitmo
I think this will turn out to be another lens aberration. There was a thread on this earlier today, and it turns out that certain digital cameras show purplish aberrations when there is a lot of contrast, such as a bright point on a very dark background.
7 posted on 02/05/2003 7:01:13 PM PST by 6ppc
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To: gitmo
This is dubious as a possible cause, but it is related to high atmosphere electrical discharge.
I say its unlikely because this occurs in the presence of storms. if you can take a picture of the shuttle it would seem that there would be no storms in the area. It does show the possibility of electrical discharge pretty high up in the atmosphere. Posted for interests sake.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/images/licae/sprites.htm

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Sprites and jets

Reports of strange bursts of colored light
coming out of the tops of powerful
thunderstorms date back to the 1800s. And
even though aircraft pilots reported them in
the 1950s and '60s, they remained unconfirmed
until recently.

These weird flashes were first observed from
the ground, when, quite by accident, they were
captured on video on July 5, 1989 by University
of Minnesota scientists John Winckler, Robert
Franz and Robert Nemzek. The scientists were
actually performing a calibration test for a low
light level monochrome camera, and weren't
particularly looking at the thunderstorm to the
east of their observing site at all. The next
morning, while viewing the test video, they
saw giant twin pillars of light extending
upward more than 30 kilometers above the
thunderstorm.

The flashes were first recorded from space by
the Space Shuttle (STS-34), as it passed over a
highly active thunderstorm in northern
Australia on Oct. 21, 1989. The shuttle's
monochrome TV cameras filmed what are now
called sprites and jets for the first time from
space. The observations were being conducted
as part of the NASA/Marshall Mesoscale
Lightning Observation Experiment. Otha H.
Vaughan, Jr., of NASA's Global Hydrology Center
was the principal investigator.

In 1994, while flying an extremely sensitive
color camera normally used for auroral
photography in a high altitude aircraft,
University of Alaska scientists confirmed that
the flashes have a generally reddish color
which often fades to purple or blue in the
downward extending tendrils. Dr. Davis
Sentman of UAF named these "sprites" after the
creatures in Shakespeare's "The Tempest," in
part because of their transient, ephemeral
nature. The UAF team also discovered and
named blue jets.

The sprites appear high above the
thunderstorm while the jets shoot out from the
top of the thunderstorm. Sprites appear to
cascade as high as 96 km (60 mi) above the
Earth. Sprites can look like giant red blobs,
picket fences, upward branching carrots, or
tentacled octopi, and can occur singly or in
clusters. The jets appear to be ejected from the
storm top with velocities as high as 100 km per
sec and move up as high as 32 kilometers.

There are two common theories about the
formation of lightning. One is that lightning is
merely an atmospheric breakdown that
creates low-energy electrons, which, in turn,
excite the air to fluoresce. A second theory
holds that the air can break down over large
distances, generating 1 million times the
energy per electron, and that those electrons,
when they stop in the atmosphere, produce
gamma rays. The latter theory is supported by
the Burst and Transient Source Experiment
(BATSE) aboard the Compton Gamma Ray
Observatory which has detected gamma rays
coming up from the Earth - not deep space -
when the spacecraft was over thunderstorms.

Researchers want to know what effect upward
lightning may have on future commercial
aviation operations and high altitude balloon
research flights in the stratosphere. The
Boeing 777 already can fly to 18 km (60,000 ft),
and future aircraft will fly even higher.

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If you like this abstract see this more complete article:

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd10jun99%5F1.htm

It has photos of the phenomena to (Helpful to people like me.)




20 posted on 02/05/2003 7:14:39 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: gitmo
This guy reportedly takes pics with his Nikon anytime the shuttle flight is within viewing distance of his location in the SF area. My question . . . What do his other photos of other flights show? Anything like the yet unseen photos reported here? Is this an anomoly for this particular flight with disastorous result, or is it an anomoly that might from time to time show up in his previous photographs, indicating perhaps that the anomoly has an origin in his camera, or in his technique for photoing the shuttle?
28 posted on 02/05/2003 7:24:56 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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See the bottom left paragraph on this page from Kodak.

February 1st. Cold. Excited photographer. Shuttle re-entry. Quick rewind.

Motorized cameras automatically rewind their exposed film. In dry, cold weather, this may cause static streaking, which looks like horizontal lightning, on your film. When you're finished shooting, remove the camera batteries and bring it all indoors. Once the camera and film reach room temperature—in about an hour—replace the batteries and rewind the film. With manual cameras, rewind the film very slowly.

38 posted on 02/05/2003 7:39:32 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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There used to be a thread on sprites and related phenomena, but it has been pulled. Why, I don't know.

The Balloon goes up over lightning! (Sprites and related phenomena)

39 posted on 02/05/2003 7:41:12 PM PST by petuniasevan (We know less about our own planet than we think...)
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"In the critical shot," states the Chronicle, "a glowing purple rope of light corkscrews down toward the plasma trail, appears to pass behind it, then cuts sharply toward it from below. As it merges with the plasma trail, the streak itself brightens for a distance, then fades."

This is NOT Camera error, as was posited earlier.

46 posted on 02/05/2003 7:47:13 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: gitmo
"In the critical shot," states the Chronicle, "a glowing purple rope of light corkscrews down toward the plasma trail, appears to pass behind it, then cuts sharply toward it from below. As it merges with the plasma trail, the streak itself brightens for a distance, then fades."

All this "toward" and "behind" nonsense is sleight-of-hand from the reporter, just spin to shape the evidence into a form more exciting and newsworthy. This is a single, 4-second exposure, not a movie or video—any motion is inferred, not discerned. There's no way to know whether the purple streak came from the shuttle, went to the shuttle, appeared 4 full seconds in front of the shuttle, 4 seconds behind the shuttle—anything is possible.

For example, here's my interpretation of the picture, every bit as valid as the reporter's: "The shuttle emitted a bright flash. Two bright pieces of debris burst out from the explosion. One corkscrewed upward for a distance, the other flew downward until the turbulence of the shuttle's passage blew it back up into the craft's contrail." A lot of sophisticated computer image analysis might be able to pick between the reporter's just-so story and mine; simply looking at the picture with the naked eye cannot.

56 posted on 02/05/2003 8:02:02 PM PST by Fabozz
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Circular Elves And Blue Jets (Notice normal lightining at the very bottom of the image)

58 posted on 02/05/2003 8:03:33 PM PST by blam
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SPRITES

Lightning between
Earth and Space

Scientists discover a curious
variety of electrical activity going on
above thunderstorms

by Stephen B. Mende, Davis D. Sentman and Eugene M. Wescott


ILLUSTRATIONS:

Since ancient times, lightning has both awed and fascinated people with its splendor and might. The early Greeks, for instance, associated the lightning bolt with Zeus, their most powerful god. And even after a modern understanding of the electrical nature of lightning developed, certain mysteries persisted. Many observers described luminous displays flickering through the upper reaches of the night sky. Some of these curiosities could be explained as auroras or weirdly illuminated clouds, but others were more baffling. In particular, pilots flying through the darkness occasionally observed strange flashes above thunderstorms. But the scientific community largely regarded these reports as apocryphal--until 1990, when John R. Winckler and his colleagues at the University of Minnesota first captured one of these enigmatic phantoms using a video camera. Their images revealed lightning of a completely new configuration. 
Lightning

Winckler's achievement ushered in a flurry of activity to document such high-altitude electrical phenomena. And hundreds of similar observations--from the space shuttle, from aircraft and from the ground--have since followed. The result has been a growing appreciation that lightninglike effects are not at all restricted to the lower atmospheric layers sandwiched between storm clouds and the ground. Indeed, scientists now realize that electrical discharges take place regularly in the rarefied air up to 90 kilometers above thunderclouds. 

It is remarkable that these events, many of which are visible to the naked eye, went undiscovered for so long. In retrospect, the existence of some form of lightning high in the atmosphere should not have come as a surprise to scientists. They have long known that well above the turbulent parts of the atmosphere, ultraviolet rays from the sun strike gas molecules and knock electrons loose from them. This process forms the ionosphere, an electrically conductive layer that encircles the earth. Large differences in voltage can exist between storm clouds and the ionosphere, just as they do between clouds and the ground. Impelled by such enormous voltages, lightning can invade either zone when the air--which is typically an electrical insulator--breaks down and provides a conductive path for electric currents to follow. 

Electromagnetic Pulses

Because the atmosphere becomes less dense with increasing altitude, the lightning that happens at greater heights involves fewer air molecules and produces colors not seen in typical discharges. Usually they appear red and are only faintly visible. Thus, researchers must employ sensitive video cameras to record these events against the backdrop of the darkened night sky. The feebleness of the light given off and the transient nature of such emissions combine to present severe technical challenges to the researchers involved in studying these ghostly atmospheric events. Nevertheless, in just a few years investigators have made considerable progress in understanding them. 

Elves
Blue Jets
Two of us (Sentman and Wescott) have mounted airborne research campaigns using specially outfitted jets. All three of us (and many others) have also studied high-altitude electrical activity from the ground: for example, we gather every year at the invitation of Walter A. Lyons, a scientist at ASTeR in Fort Collins, Colo., and set up our equipment in his backyard laboratory--a site that offers an unobstructed view of the night sky over the thunderstorms of the Great Plains. (The images on pages 56 and 58 are views from this informal observatory.) Umran S. Inan and his colleagues at Stanford University have also recorded low-frequency radio waves from Lyons's home, measurements that have helped them to formulate theoretical models. 
Gamma-Ray and
X-Ray Events

The newly discovered electrical events of the upper atmosphere fall into four categories. Two types of high-level lightning, termed sprites and elves, appear (despite their fanciful names) to be manifestations of well-understood atmospheric physics. The causes for the other two varieties, called blue jets and gamma-ray events, remain more speculative. But our research group and many others around the world are still amassing our observations in hopes of deciphering the physical mechanisms driving these strange occurrences as well. Until that time, we must admit something like the ancient sense of awe and wonder when we contemplate these curious bursts of energy that dance through the ethereal world between earth and space. 


Further Reading

DISCOVERY OF INTENSE GAMMA-RAY FLASHES OF ATMOSPHERIC ORIGIN. G. J. Fishman, P. N. Bhat, R. Mallozzi, J. M. Horack, T. Koshut, C. Kouveliotou, G. N. Pendleton, C. A. Meegan, R. B. Wilson, W. S. Paciesas, S. J. Goodman and H. J. Christian in Science, Vol. 264, pages 1313-1316; May 27, 1994.

PRELIMINARY RESULTS FROM THE SPRITES94 AIRCRAFT CAMPAIGN, 1: RED SPRITES. D. D. Sentman, E. M. Wescott, D. L. Osborne, D. L. Hampton and M. J. Heavner in Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 22, No. 10, pages 1205-1208; May 15, 1995.

PRELIMINARY RESULTS FROM THE SPRITES94 AIRCRAFT CAMPAIGN, 2: BLUE JETS. E. M. Wescott, D. Sentman, D. Osborne, D. Hampton and M. Heavner in Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 22, No. 10, pages 1209-1212; May 15, 1995.

ELVES: LIGHTNING-INDUCED TRANSIENT LUMINOUS EVENTS IN THE LOWER IONOSPHERE. H. Fukunishi, Y. Takahashi, M. Kubota, K. Sakanoi, U. S. Inan and W. A. Lyons in Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 23, No. 16, pages 2157-2160; August 1, 1996. 

Science

Geophysical Research Letters


Related Links

Sprites, Q-Bursts and Positive Ground Strokes

Walter Lyons' Handy Weather Answer Book

Red Sprites and Blue Jets


The Authors

STEPHEN B. MENDE, DAVIS D. SENTMAN and EUGENE M. WESCOTT have spent much of their time during recent years investigating curious electrical activity of the upper atmosphere. Mende received a Ph.D. in physics from Imperial College at the University of London in 1965. From 1967 to 1996 he worked for Lockheed Palo Alto Research Laboratory. Mende is currently a fellow at the space sciences laboratory of the University of California, Berkeley. Sentman studied space physics under James Van Allen at the University of Iowa, where he earned his doctorate in 1976. After 14 years at the University of California, Los Angeles, Sentman joined the physics department at the University of Alaska-Fairbanks, where he now serves on the faculty. Wescott received a Ph.D. in geophysics from the University of Alaska-Fairbanks in 1964. He worked for three years at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland before returning to the University of Alaska-Fairbanks as a professor of geophysics. 



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SPRITES are high-altitude luminous flashes that take place above thunderstorms in a part of the atmosphere called the mesosphere. Although sprites are usually rare, some storms can spawn them frequently. Typically the upper parts of clouds are charged positively and the lower parts negatively. Most often, it is the negative base of the cloud that flashes to the ground. But at times the upper, positive part can discharge directly to the earth, producing a lightning flash of exceptional intensity. About one out of 20 such positive cloud-to-ground lightning bolts are sufficiently energetic that they spawn sprites. These examples, recorded from the ground with a monochromatic video camera, have been colorized to match a color image obtained from an aircraft.

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LIGHTNING (below, left) usually carries negative charge from the base of a cloud down to the earth. Sometimes powerful strokes (center) cause the positive charge that had built up near the top of the cloud to disappear abruptly. The large electrical field (gradation in color) created between the cloud top and the ionosphere pulls electrons upward, where they collide with gas molecules. If the electrical field is sufficiently strong and the air sufficiently thin, the electrons will accelerate unimpeded and reach the velocity needed to transfer their kinetic energy to the electronic structure of the molecules with which they collide, raising such molecules to an "excited state." The excited molecules give away their newly acquired energy by the emission of light, causing sprites (below, right). They typically span from 50 to 90 kilometers altitude. 

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62 posted on 02/05/2003 8:10:08 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: gitmo
Jernigan reportedly asked the astronomer about the f-stop setting on his lens, and how long he kept the shutter open – apparently some four to six seconds ...

Okay, you photograph a subject traveling across the sky at 12,000 mph with a 4-6 second shutter time. You have to track the subject to keep it from blurring. If you track the moving subject, then wouldn't falling debris appear blurred because of the camera's tracking movement? Seems to me this artifact would have to have been produced by a very bright and instantaneous source. Much like an electronic flash.

66 posted on 02/05/2003 8:29:08 PM PST by Black Bart
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Worst. Necklace. Ever.

75 posted on 02/05/2003 8:42:09 PM PST by Timesink (My name's Harley Earl. And I've come back to build you a great tampon.)
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To: gitmo
According to her NASA biography...

Um, is there some reason to believe the bio is false? You don't have to source a bio blurb.

83 posted on 02/05/2003 8:54:17 PM PST by Timesink (My name's Harley Earl. And I've come back to build you a great tampon.)
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To: gitmo
Bump for later contemplation
102 posted on 02/05/2003 9:17:04 PM PST by Gamecock (The friendship of the French is like their wine, exquisite, but of short duration.)
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To: gitmo
Bump for later read.
173 posted on 02/06/2003 10:48:28 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer
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"I couldn't see the discharge with my own eyes, but it showed up clear and bright on the film when I developed it," the photographer previously said. "But I'm not going to speculate about what it might be." ~ Article Woody.
176 posted on 02/06/2003 10:59:05 AM PST by CCWoody
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