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To: aruanan
The fall in real dollars is a good thing. It allows employers to pay inexperienced workers at a rate closer to what they deserve and keeps him from wasting money for nothing. The ideal would be no minimum wage at all, allowing people with next to no skill to be employed and get a start in the workforce instead of being shut out by an economically nonsensical minimum wage.

If you were just a regular person and wanted a job in 1965 you had a much easier time finding a job than today. Unemployment has been elevated at historically high standards ever since 1970. So, your argument just doesn't really work. I won't say that a high minimum wage causes low unemployment. But back then we had a higher minimum wage and lower unemployment. So, there must be other factors at play. Bad things have happened to our economy and our unwillingness to keep the minimum wage in line with inflation is merely a sign of that.

We are also planning on actually cutting social security payments to the elderly poor within just 5 years or so from now. We've also made dramatic cuts in medicaire just in the last 2 years. These are also signs that our economy is simply losing it's ability to support our people on a collective basis.

People who gloat over bad economic times and trends are people who are in love with evil. Repent, the time is near.

12 posted on 02/04/2003 8:49:52 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
We are also planning on actually cutting social security payments to the elderly poor within just 5 years or so from now. We've also made dramatic cuts in medicaire just in the last 2 years. These are also signs that our economy is simply losing it's ability to support our people on a collective basis.

The liberals have mired the Goverment in debt while a spendthrift population has mired itself in debt. There are some painful years ahead where the rotteness will be purged out of the system. Its good these social programs are being cut they are the cause of most of our predicaments them and the lawyer lobby and various alphabet agencies.

13 posted on 02/04/2003 8:55:27 PM PST by weikel (Your commie has no regard for human life not even his own)
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To: Red Jones
But back then we had a higher minimum wage and lower unemployment

Correlation is not causation.

15 posted on 02/04/2003 8:56:33 PM PST by weikel (Your commie has no regard for human life not even his own)
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To: Red Jones
Unemployment has been elevated at historically high standards ever since 1970. So, your argument just doesn't really work.

Actually my argument works quite well since 30 to 40 or more years ago jobs among teens and even preteens were far more common than they are now. The historically high levels of unemployment are a measure of federal manipulation. The worth of minimum wage is an unsupported myth. The harm of minimum wage is a long-documented fact.
17 posted on 02/04/2003 8:59:39 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Red Jones
Bad things have happened to our economy...

I agree.

The New Deal and the Great Society are coming into full fruition.

We have a monstrous Federal bureaucracy, welfare dependency that spans generations, and high taxes to pay for it all.

This is what comes from an expansive view of general welfare and interstate commerce by the Left's living, breathing Constitution.

29 posted on 02/04/2003 10:02:51 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Red Jones
We are also planning on actually cutting social security payments to the elderly poor within just 5 years or so from now. We've also made dramatic cuts in medicaire just in the last 2 years. These are also signs that our economy is simply losing it's ability to support our people on a collective basis.

Where does this come from? I think you have been listening to too much DNC propaganda.

There may be problems with Social Security down the road, especially if we put off reforming the system, but nothing is as close as five years.

You need to get your facts straight before commiting yourself to print.

32 posted on 02/04/2003 10:48:40 PM PST by John Valentine (Living in Seoul, and aware of the threat.)
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To: Red Jones
Sure sounds like you are a fan of government wealth transfer schemes.
48 posted on 02/05/2003 10:07:50 AM PST by Protagoras
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