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Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally'
UPI ^ | 2/4/2003 | Martin Walker

Posted on 02/04/2003 2:13:58 PM PST by Mossad1967

France is no longer an ally of the United States and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally or we will not be talking about a NATO alliance" the head of the Pentagon's top advisory board said in Washington Tuesday...

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KEYWORDS: axisofweasels; france; perle; petain; vichy
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1 posted on 02/04/2003 2:13:58 PM PST by Mossad1967
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To: Mossad1967
It's about time someone said this about this anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, anti-USA, Socialist, Freedom-Hating country.
2 posted on 02/04/2003 2:15:47 PM PST by yonif
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To: Mossad1967
Au revoir frogs.
3 posted on 02/04/2003 2:16:23 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mossad1967
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Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally'

By Martin Walker
UPI Chief International Correspondent
From the International Desk
Published 2/4/2003 3:41 PM
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WASHINGTON, Feb. 4 (UPI) -- France is no longer an ally of the United States and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally or we will not be talking about a NATO alliance" the head of the Pentagon's top advisory board said in Washington Tuesday.

Richard Perle, a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration and now chairman of the Pentagon's Policy Advisory Board, condemned French and German policy on Iraq in the strongest terms at a public seminar organized by Iraqi exiles and American Middle East and security officials.

But while dismissing Germany's refusal to support military action against Iraq as an aberration by "a discredited chancellor," Perle warned that France's attitude was both more dangerous and more serious.

"France is no longer the ally it once was," Perle said. And he went on to accuse French President Jacques Chirac of believing "deep in his soul that Saddam Hussein is preferable to any likely successor."

French leaders have insisted the country will oppose any military action against Iraq without a second resolution by the United Nations Security Council, where it holds one of five crucial veto powers. Last November France did vote for Resolution 1441, which promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors verifying that Iraq has indeed dismantled its programs for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

"I have long thought that there were forces in France intent on reducing the American role in the world. That is more troubling than the stance of a German chancellor, who has been largely rejected by his own people," Perle said, referring to the sharp electoral defeat suffered by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's party in state elections Sunday.

Although he is not an official of the Bush administration, Perle's position as the Pentagon's senior civilian adviser gives his harsh remarks a quasi-official character and reflects the growing frustration in the White House and Pentagon with the French and German reluctance to support their U.S. and British allies.

"Very considerable damage has already been done to the Atlantic community, including NATO, by Germany and France," Perle said.

"But in the German case, the behavior of the Chancellor is idiosyncratic. He tried again to incite pacifism, and this time failed in Sunday's elections in Hesse and Lower Saxony. His capacity to do damage is now constrained. Chancellor Schroeder is now in a box, and the Germans will recover their equilibrium."

Perle went on to question whether the United States should ever again seek the endorsement of the U.N. Security Council on a major issue of policy, stressing that "Iraq is going to be liberated, by the United States and whoever wants to join us, whether we get the approbation of the U.N. or any other institution."

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

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4 posted on 02/04/2003 2:16:43 PM PST by Maedhros (yO! nOiD)
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To: Maedhros
American Citizen Responds: "Duh!"
5 posted on 02/04/2003 2:17:55 PM PST by mabelkitty
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To: Maedhros
Apparently the French ignored the last memo from Powell reminding them of the Bush doctrine - the mission defines the coalition & if they're not with us they're against us.
6 posted on 02/04/2003 2:19:21 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: mabelkitty
Like they ever were our ally in the first place.
7 posted on 02/04/2003 2:19:28 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Maedhros
The time has come for the EU Totalitarian regime to admit the obvious, they back middle east terrorists over the United States and England.

Now we can align the powers of the free world against such apparent agression!

Ops4 God Bless America!
8 posted on 02/04/2003 2:19:36 PM PST by OPS4
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To: mabelkitty
Perle went on to question whether the United States should ever again seek the endorsement of the U.N. Security Council on a major issue of policy, stressing that "Iraq is going to be liberated, by the United States and whoever wants to join us, whether we get the approbation of the U.N. or any other institution."

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

Even better...

9 posted on 02/04/2003 2:19:54 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: Maedhros
I understand the new Euro-trash military establishment led by France wants 3 new aircraft carriers to appear more like a military power.

Sounds to me like they really are doing the same thing that N. Korea and Saddam are currently doing.

10 posted on 02/04/2003 2:20:36 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Mossad1967
"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

About time someone said it.

11 posted on 02/04/2003 2:21:24 PM PST by metesky
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To: Mossad1967
Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?
12 posted on 02/04/2003 2:21:46 PM PST by livius
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Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

"Don't hurt us please, take whatever you want, we surrender!!

13 posted on 02/04/2003 2:23:43 PM PST by Jimmyclyde
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To: livius
Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

Who cares

The French choose a madman like Saddam over their allies that have bailed their butts a number of times

Who needs friends like that

14 posted on 02/04/2003 2:24:14 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: livius
Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

Oh, come on, you already know.

15 posted on 02/04/2003 2:24:44 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: wirestripper
>>I understand the new Euro-trash military establishment led by France wants 3 new aircraft carriers to appear more like a military power.

If they're built by the French, I'm sure they will dominate the seas in the range of their drydocks.

16 posted on 02/04/2003 2:25:38 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: livius
Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

They'll surrender??????

17 posted on 02/04/2003 2:26:31 PM PST by weaponeer
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To: Mo1
www.AxisOfWeasels.com
18 posted on 02/04/2003 2:27:09 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Mo1
With "allies" like this who needs enemies....
Gaul vs. Julius Caesar - Gaul defeated by Rome circa 49 B.C. (Rome defeated the early French swine - the Frenchies had to Hail Julius Caesar as their new leader)

Gaul vs. Franks - Gaul defeated by Franks (the 'original' French, replaced by the Franks *sigh*)

Franks vs. Huns - Huns sack Paris circa 450 A.D. (Huns finally defeated here - Attila's ONLY defeat. Notice it was done by a German-Roman coalition, NOT the Franks)

Franks vs. Themselves - Clovis unites Franks into one kingdom around 511 A.D. He dies and the 'kingdom' falls apart at the seams. Ever hear of naming a successor or how bout a will?

Franks vs. Muslims - Charles Martel defeats a SMALL Muslim raiding party at the Battle of Tours in 732 A.D. Muslims lost interest so Charles claimed a 'great victory'. Notice they didn't follow up and kick the Muslims out of Spain though.....

Franks vs. Franks - Charlemagne crowned 'Emperor of the Romans', Christmas 800 A.D. Again this 'empire' fell apart by 840 A.D. - sheesh. Charlemagne could read but couldn't write - now what sense does that make?

Franks vs. Vikings - From 841 to 911 A.D. the Viking Warrior-Badasses mopped the Frankish countryside with Frank ass. France surrenders Normandy to Vikings 911 A.D. (Stupid mid-evil France was easily bullied by real warriors)

Franks vs. Black Death - 1347 - 1350 A.D. Black Death kills Frenchies good. This plague was said to originate in Mongolia, from the vermin. BUT, we all know it HAD to have came from the filthy French swine.

France vs. England - 100 Years War 1337 - 1453 A.D. Battle of Crecy - 1337 A.D. (English hand the French their own asses in the start of the 100 Years War with the timely use of the longbow. French knights are mowed down like the cannon fodder they were.) Battle of Poitiers, 1356 A.D. - More of the same. Battle of Agincourt, 1415 A.D. - Henry V gets some French butt-whoopin' action. Unfortunately, a heretic freak named Joan of Arc came along and united all the French Frogs and they managed to repel the English. And we all know where that got her....TOASTY.

France vs. World Culture - Renaissance starts in Italy circa 1200's, NOT IN FRANCE.

France vs. World Exploration/Economics - Commercial Revolution starts - major players are England, Spain, and Portugal. Notice who ISN'T on that list?

France vs. France - 1572 A.D. St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre by Queen Catherine. She killed thousands of protestants and Jews. Hrm...that sounds really familiar - the FINAL SOLUTION ring any bells? Evidently these bastards were no better than Nazi Germany and yet they are proud of their heritage?

France vs. Europe - War of Spanish Succession 1648 A.D. (France tries to fight rest of Europe over Spain and looses to Frederick William of Germany)

France vs. Europe - 7 Years War or French Indian War 1756 A.D. (France gets beat up on 2 different continents by England and Germany plus the early future Americans - a guy named George Washington ring any bells?)

France vs. France - French Revolution 1789 - 1799A.D. (France kicks their own asses) Dr. Guillotine makes a handy invention that allows the Frenchies to chop off their own heads with amazing speed - thanks Jacobin Republicans!

France vs. Europe - Waterloo 1815 A.D. (Wellington delivers knockout to Napoleon - 2nd time. This comes AFTER the Russian Winter destroyed the largest army in the World and the U.S. conned old Nappy in the Louisiana Purchase - WHAT A BARGAIN!)

France vs. France - French Revolution (again) 1848 A.D. (France is still kicking their own asses on a smaller scale)

France vs. Mexico - late 1860s - early 1870s A.D. - France conquers Mexico. Wow! Amazing. What an accomplishment. Funny though, when the U.S. decided to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and in so many words told France to get the HELL out of our side of the world, they tucked tail and ran.

France vs. Prussia - Franco-Prussian War 1870 A.D. (William I of Germany kicks the teeth out of Napoleon III - good old Willy proclaims himself emperor of Germany at the Palace of Versailles - can you say bitchslap?) This all started because France opposed the unification of Germany - notice this starts a nasty chain of events that doesn't end till 1945......seems to me we can almost chalk up WWI and II on the dumbass French.

France vs. Germany - WWI 1914-1918 A.D. (Germany beats the hell out of France - without the aid of USA, France would be speaking German. France only won because of Uncle Sam jumped in - then those dumbass sore-winners in France impose an incredibly harsh Treaty of Versailles to 'punish' the Germans. Notice the resulting conditions of this allowed the rise of an unknown Austrian named HITLER.

France vs. Germany - Rise of Hitler 1933-1939 A.D. (Germany bullies France into letting them take more territory - the wussies wouldn't even fight over it - they adopted a policy of 'appeasement' - can you say SCARED?)

France vs. Germany Round II - WWII June 22, 1940 A.D. (France surrenders to Hitler at Compiegne after putting up a fight that made Polish Army look good. Notice Vichy France who quickly jumped ship to be friends with the Germans. And once again without the help of good old Uncle Sam the Atlantic Wall would never have been penetrated - France would either be a part of the 3rd Reich or a satellite country of Communist Russia under Uncle Joe Stalin)

France vs. Vietcong - Vietnam 1954 A.D. (French Army at Dien Bien Phu surrender to Ho Chi Minh) Nuff Said.

MORAL: Even before Jesus walked the face of the Earth, the French have been getting their asses kicked. The smelly, cheese eating, fu-fu dressing French can't fight worth a damn. You TOO can conquer France!
19 posted on 02/04/2003 2:27:33 PM PST by Jimmyclyde
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To: dfwgator
>Like they ever were our ally in the first place.

1778 - February. France signs a treaty of alliance with the United States
and the American Revolution becomes a world war.

20 posted on 02/04/2003 2:28:54 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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