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Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter
NASA photos | 2-3-03 | BoneMccoy

Posted on 02/04/2003 1:34:19 AM PST by bonesmccoy

In recent days the popular media has been focusing their attention on an impact event during the launch of STS-107. The impact of External Tank insulation and/or ice with the Orbiter during ascent was initially judged by NASA to be unlikely to cause loss of the vehicle. Obviously, loss of the integrity of the orbiter Thermal Protection System occured in some manner. When Freepers posted the reports of these impacts on the site, I initially discounted the hypothesis. Orbiters had sustained multiple impacts in the past. However, the size of the plume in the last photo gives me pause.

I'd like to offer to FR a few observations on the photos.

1. In this image an object approximately 2-3 feet appears to be between the orbiter and the ET.

2. In this image the object appears to have rotated relative to both the camera and the orbiter. The change in image luminosity could also be due to a change in reflected light from the object. Nevertheless, it suggests that the object is tumbling and nearing the orbiter's leading edge.

It occurs to me that one may be able to estimate the size of the object and make an educated guess regarding the possible mass of the object. Using the data in the video, one can calculate the relative velocity of the object to the orbiter wing. Creating a test scenario is then possible. One can manufacture a test article and fire ET insulation at the right velocity to evaluate impact damage on the test article.

OV-101's port wing could be used as a test stand with RCC and tile attached to mimic the OV-102 design.

The color of the object seems inconsistent with ET insulation. One can judge the ET color by looking at the ET in the still frame. The color of the object seems more consistent with ice or ice covered ET insulation. Even when accounting for variant color hue/saturation in the video, the object clearly has a different color characteristic from ET insulation. If it is ice laden insulation, the mass of the object would be significantly different from ET insulation alone. Since the velocity of the object is constant in a comparison equation, estimating the mass of the object becomes paramount to understanding the kinetic energy involved in the impact with the TPS.

3. In this image the debris impact creates a plume. My observation is that if the plume was composed primarily of ET insulation, the plume should have the color characteristics of ET insulation. This plume has a white color.

Unfortunately, ET insulation is orange/brown in color.

In addition, if the relative density of the ET insulation is known, one can quantify the colorimetric properties of the plume to disintegrating ET insulation upon impact.

Using the test article experiment model, engineers should fire at the same velocity an estimated mass of ET insulation (similar to the object seen in the still frame) at the test article. The plume should be measured colorimetrically. By comparing this experimental plume to the photographic evidence from the launch, one may be able to quantify the amount of ET insulation in the photograph above.

4. In this photo, the plume spreads from the aft of the orbiter's port wing. This plume does not appear to be the color of ET insulation. It appears to be white.

This white color could be the color of ice particles at high altitude.

On the other hand, the composition of TPS tiles under the orbiter wings is primarily a low-density silica.

In the photo above, you can see a cross section of orbiter TPS tile. The black color of the tile is merely a coating. The interior of the tile is a white, low-density, silica ceramic.


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To: halfbubbleofflevel
How about sending the latest version e-mail. I can get it up tomorrow, assuming I awaken anytime in the a.m. :)
Which link was that?
1,741 posted on 02/14/2003 12:53:12 AM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: bonesmccoy
I think I initally came up with a very deserted area, the 4 corners of ariz, nm, colorado, and utah.
1,742 posted on 02/14/2003 12:54:25 AM PST by XBob
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To: bonesmccoy
I think I initally came up with a very deserted area, the 4 corners of ariz, nm, colorado, and utah to search for it.
1,743 posted on 02/14/2003 12:54:50 AM PST by XBob
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To: halfbubbleofflevel
i couldn't get the site up to link, it says 'unavailable'.
1,744 posted on 02/14/2003 12:56:57 AM PST by XBob
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To: bonesmccoy
I've got just the first calculations done, but it looks as if the velocity of a tile would decrease really fast. About 830 ft/sec in the first second. Will finish it tomorrow afternoon.

John
1,745 posted on 02/14/2003 1:02:49 AM PST by John Jamieson
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To: bonesmccoy
Couldn't sleep, so I finished it.

SWAGS: (excel spreadsheet available, very large!)

Starting at 230,000 feet and going 19,000 ft/sec a lost tile (6x6x3" 9 pounds/cuft density), would hit the ground in 1364 seconds, 112.7 miles downrange, going 37.5 mph straight down.

A similar tile of the 22 pound/cuft type, would hit in 899 seconds, 165.7 miles downrange, going 58.8mph straight down.

If we can estimate the size and weight of a landing gear door, I'll try it too.

Did I pass? John
1,746 posted on 02/14/2003 3:16:07 AM PST by John Jamieson
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To: bonesmccoy
I also did 3" solid cubes of Aluminum and Steel. The AL hits 270 miles down range at 145mph and the Steel 318 miles down range at 245mph. All the debris should be within 100 to 300 miles of where it left the vehicle, and all of it should have come straight down.

John
1,747 posted on 02/14/2003 3:29:55 AM PST by John Jamieson
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To: NormsRevenge
No, the tires are inflated with 235# - 300# (can't remember the exact pressure) of dry nitrogen before they are installed on the orbiter. They are inflated in the "tire lab" and then baked and frozen in environmental chambers to make sure they don't leak at extreme temperatures. Once installed for flight, they are never touched again.

I posted a description of the gear operation earler in this thread, but basically it's hydrauliclly-operated, with pyro backup.

1,748 posted on 02/14/2003 3:52:23 AM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
I have a question about eddy currents. A plasma is more than a hot gas -- it's a electical fluid. Two little eddies next to another, for example, can act like a restriction point, redircting, concentrating flow. It may be that a set of little dings in the tile could act to create a sort of welder's flame of directed hot concentrated plasma. Especially in an area of curvature, inflection -- like the glove area. Have such effects been studied in simulation or in experiment?
1,749 posted on 02/14/2003 7:12:17 AM PST by bvw
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To: XBob
Here's 2 images.

This one is scaled...

to fit into the other 640x480 AF photo. The asymmetry in the AF photo is due to the orbiters yaw and the resulting temp buildup on the rightside. This is how it looks:

To get this I cut out the scaled pic overlay it, then scan it. If you make your changes to the scaled one, half.jpg, then post it I'll overlay it. You'll should print one then cut it out and overlay it. If you want the long axis, or the wingspan changed give me a %, + or -.

1,750 posted on 02/14/2003 7:25:23 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Xbob, To get the white overlay, I used the backside of half.jpg. To locate the doors and other features, I traced over them on the dark side, then flipped it and drew over the impressions.
1,751 posted on 02/14/2003 7:33:47 AM PST by spunkets
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To: XBob
See 1751. I'll also have to fix the tail, so it shows in the the tilt. Be back later today.
1,752 posted on 02/14/2003 7:40:06 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Budge
Ok. Let's try it again :-)

New site: http://members.shaw.ca/JotDot

Let's hope it works this time !!!
1,753 posted on 02/14/2003 7:55:55 AM PST by halfbubbleofflevel
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To: 537 Votes
The situation was not as hopeless as some would like you to think. It is possible that the crew and Orbiter could have been rescued; daring to try being the major contribution.

The opposing forces: bureaucratic inertia and other aids to complacency.

1,754 posted on 02/14/2003 7:56:07 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: bvw
I've read that NASA was concerned about that earlier, FWIW.
1,755 posted on 02/14/2003 8:04:06 AM PST by Thud
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To: bonesmccoy
brought up the issue of the explosives in the MLG bay about 200 posts ago. However, we have yet to hear anything from the press conferences on the temp limits for the MLG explosives. I'm wondering if those temp limits were surpassed over California (creating those temporary brightenings of the orbiter's magnitude as visualized by astronomers).

I'm 12 hours behind so this may have been answered. On day one Dittemore said the temps they had over Ca were not enough to trigger the pyros. Of course that was early assessment.

1,756 posted on 02/14/2003 8:05:55 AM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: halfbubbleofflevel
Works!
1,757 posted on 02/14/2003 8:36:01 AM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: First_Salute
other aids to complacency

Process, process standards and in this particular case "fault tree analysis". Responsibility and responsible judgement are independent of the particular set of processes chosen, used, standard. When the judgement became, "Was the process followed?"' -- responsibility was defeated, annihilated. Better that the judgement must be along the lines of: "Is this safe, is this change safer? Will this work?"

There are questions that are process-inward, self-referential about the set process followed -- these must be distinquished from questions that are external to the process, driven in from, answering to hard reality, rather then to a construct of process and practise.

Private enterprise is used to asking, to answering such outward-directed questions -- "Is this something the customer will buy?", " Is this something that wll break and be returned, or worse, cause us to be sued?" Such questions are independent of any internal process used by an organization. They are responsible, they encourage responsibility, they breed a responsible mindset.

Then, to such orgnaizations when questions about safety get asked, when they arise, it is the natural flow to answer them responsibly -- to answer what reality asks, rather than to filter and divert through a internal construct of artificial process.

A Government bureaucracy is immune to lawsuits, has little or no requirment to sell to a customer -- that breeds a culture where all questions are framed to set process -- not reality -- but some artificial construct that comes to replace reality.

1,758 posted on 02/14/2003 8:36:19 AM PST by bvw
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To: snopercod
Thanks for the info. I haven't made it all the way thru the thread yet. I'll keep my eyes open for the gear operation info.
1,759 posted on 02/14/2003 9:00:55 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: tubebender
temps over California - yes
temps over New Mexico might be a different story.

Some of us think that the MLG door was compromised over New Mexico. The leaking plasma would create overheating. One question is if the plasma is so hot that it melts the pyros before the reaction can really start.

I suppose NASA may need to do evaluations on the maximum temp limits and behavior of the pyros.
1,760 posted on 02/14/2003 9:06:47 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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