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Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter
NASA photos | 2-3-03 | BoneMccoy

Posted on 02/04/2003 1:34:19 AM PST by bonesmccoy

In recent days the popular media has been focusing their attention on an impact event during the launch of STS-107. The impact of External Tank insulation and/or ice with the Orbiter during ascent was initially judged by NASA to be unlikely to cause loss of the vehicle. Obviously, loss of the integrity of the orbiter Thermal Protection System occured in some manner. When Freepers posted the reports of these impacts on the site, I initially discounted the hypothesis. Orbiters had sustained multiple impacts in the past. However, the size of the plume in the last photo gives me pause.

I'd like to offer to FR a few observations on the photos.

1. In this image an object approximately 2-3 feet appears to be between the orbiter and the ET.

2. In this image the object appears to have rotated relative to both the camera and the orbiter. The change in image luminosity could also be due to a change in reflected light from the object. Nevertheless, it suggests that the object is tumbling and nearing the orbiter's leading edge.

It occurs to me that one may be able to estimate the size of the object and make an educated guess regarding the possible mass of the object. Using the data in the video, one can calculate the relative velocity of the object to the orbiter wing. Creating a test scenario is then possible. One can manufacture a test article and fire ET insulation at the right velocity to evaluate impact damage on the test article.

OV-101's port wing could be used as a test stand with RCC and tile attached to mimic the OV-102 design.

The color of the object seems inconsistent with ET insulation. One can judge the ET color by looking at the ET in the still frame. The color of the object seems more consistent with ice or ice covered ET insulation. Even when accounting for variant color hue/saturation in the video, the object clearly has a different color characteristic from ET insulation. If it is ice laden insulation, the mass of the object would be significantly different from ET insulation alone. Since the velocity of the object is constant in a comparison equation, estimating the mass of the object becomes paramount to understanding the kinetic energy involved in the impact with the TPS.

3. In this image the debris impact creates a plume. My observation is that if the plume was composed primarily of ET insulation, the plume should have the color characteristics of ET insulation. This plume has a white color.

Unfortunately, ET insulation is orange/brown in color.

In addition, if the relative density of the ET insulation is known, one can quantify the colorimetric properties of the plume to disintegrating ET insulation upon impact.

Using the test article experiment model, engineers should fire at the same velocity an estimated mass of ET insulation (similar to the object seen in the still frame) at the test article. The plume should be measured colorimetrically. By comparing this experimental plume to the photographic evidence from the launch, one may be able to quantify the amount of ET insulation in the photograph above.

4. In this photo, the plume spreads from the aft of the orbiter's port wing. This plume does not appear to be the color of ET insulation. It appears to be white.

This white color could be the color of ice particles at high altitude.

On the other hand, the composition of TPS tiles under the orbiter wings is primarily a low-density silica.

In the photo above, you can see a cross section of orbiter TPS tile. The black color of the tile is merely a coating. The interior of the tile is a white, low-density, silica ceramic.


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KEYWORDS: columbiaaccident; nasa; shuttle; sts; sts107
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To: Thud
NASA calls this the "unzippering" effect.

Ah, a little different to what I was thinking was the "unzippering" effect. My initial thought was from an exterior hit causing one to hit the next, and so on. Thanks.

John Jamieson and Xbob showed me how tile loss could be explained by an RCC breach which was not immediately fatal.

That was my though too, though mine was simply a hunch until I read their posts on that.

1,481 posted on 02/12/2003 3:13:56 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Thud; Budge
thud,

since you are on line, maybe you can get my e-mails and forward to Budge.

If you send me your e-mail address in freep mail, I will gladly forward them to your.
1,482 posted on 02/12/2003 3:16:30 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
Still nothing, Bob. Try sending them to that e-mail in 1473 one more time, please.
1,483 posted on 02/12/2003 3:16:49 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Budge
what is your email encryption level security setting? mine is 168. perhaps they are there and you can't read them.
1,484 posted on 02/12/2003 3:24:49 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
I've never set an encryption level. I can't even find where it might be in either Outlook or Eudora. Help!
1,485 posted on 02/12/2003 3:30:26 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Budge
I tried sending to you with Opera, with a lower encription setting. perhaps you got it by now, as it says successfully sent. There are two attachments, or should be, which are the drawings.
1,486 posted on 02/12/2003 3:36:41 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
Got 'em! Give me a few.
1,487 posted on 02/12/2003 3:40:30 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Budge
sorry, mine is at 128.

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1,488 posted on 02/12/2003 3:41:44 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
Ok, check my Fotki account. here and let me know which one(s) you want posted.
1,489 posted on 02/12/2003 3:45:30 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: XBob
You have e-mail.
1,490 posted on 02/12/2003 4:00:46 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Budge
Now, remember what I was saying about longitudinal strength of the wing and lack of it in the web/glove?

Now look at the USAF picture

well, I blanked out the non-vertical wing support and look what I get, without the web/glove and with the landing gear door as the leading edge, and the first longitudinal member beside the door (about 1/2 way back the well, and look what I get:


1,491 posted on 02/12/2003 4:08:20 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
You have E-Mail and Freepmail . . .
1,492 posted on 02/12/2003 4:11:50 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: XBob
I think you have it. Sure looks like it to me anyway.
1,493 posted on 02/12/2003 4:14:44 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: John Jamieson; XBob
John, I apologize for not getting this up sooner . . .

XBob, the e-mail address you sent me reported back as undeliverable . . .

1,494 posted on 02/12/2003 4:17:52 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: XBob
sorry for the error:

the landing gear door as the leading edge,

should have been

the landing gear WHEEL WELL as the leading edge,
1,495 posted on 02/12/2003 4:20:49 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob; bonesmccoy; All
the landing gear WHEEL WELL as the leading edge,

Sounds even better.

Comments everyone?

1,496 posted on 02/12/2003 4:24:31 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: wirestripper
take a look at 1491
1,497 posted on 02/12/2003 4:24:54 PM PST by XBob
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To: Thud; Budge
WOW.
That's a remarkable email.
I'd retype it, but maybe Budge can convert the pdf in the fashion he's created.

Budge, can you post the Daugherty email from Jan 30 here?
1,498 posted on 02/12/2003 4:24:55 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Budge
Yes, you are probably correct. Heating of the pads under the tiles could lead to debonding of the HRSI/SIP/Alum. skin.

That may be the pieces visualized by the ground observers in California and New Mexico.

The other alternative (dripping hydraulic fluid) seems less likely.

Melting aluminum also makes sense.
1,499 posted on 02/12/2003 4:27:47 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Budge; XBob
I redirected them to you, too, Budge, you'll have more copies than you can shake a stick at. :)

Good job Bob, those pix make it pretty obvious what happened.

Be Well - Be Armed - Be Safe - Molon Labe!
1,500 posted on 02/12/2003 4:29:58 PM PST by blackie
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