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Spiting their pretty faces
World Net Daily ^ | February 3, 2003 | Vox Day

Posted on 02/03/2003 6:13:20 PM PST by softengine

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To: softengine
Their Excuse!


21 posted on 02/03/2003 6:52:21 PM PST by stlrocket
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To: softengine
BARF.

Don't go to college (or burn up your degree) and quit your damned job and sell your house if you're so damned unhappy. Then sit around and wait for the marriage offers to roll in. Geez.

I'm so sick of this whining. Did Whitehead et al ever stop to think that these women wouldn't be any happier or any less clueless no matter what?
22 posted on 02/03/2003 6:54:44 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: softengine
...the root of the problem is that the kind of man she wants is precisely the man who is smart enough to stay away from her.

Reduced to its lowest common denominator, it's the root of her problem. My life improved dramatically once I realized that a life partner who did not share the same deeply held values and convictions as I did would be nothing more than a millstone around my neck. If you live your life with a purpose, if you live a self-examined life, if you choose to live a non-contradictory life - then nothing less will do. My wife and I differ in many respects, our interests vary; we are each unique individuals. We do not differ at all in terms of our purpose in life. More to the point, my wife is someone with whom I can trust my life. I could toss her a rifle and say, "cover my back," - and she would do so without hesitation. Actually, I wouldn't have to toss her a rifle - she's got one of her own. But you get the idea. We've worked together, we've trained together and we trust one another implicitly - especially when it comes to matters of life and death.

For thos who claim that politcs don't matter between partners, I say bullshit. An individual's political views are a direct product of their values. Hell, a person's entire being - from their smallest gesture to their greatest ambitions - is an expression of their values. One would have to be a willfully ignorant fool or one would have to have made peace with fact that they are living a life of shrieking fraud to believe otherwise. Why on this Earth would somone want to live with one whose values were contradictory?

The kind of outlook my wife and I share is unthinkable to the type of professional woman of whom the article speaks. God forbid that this sort of woman would ever have to deal with anything as serious as life and death. At the rate things are going, though, she will not have a choice.

23 posted on 02/03/2003 6:55:12 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: softengine
But, as I told my friend, the root of the problem is that the kind of man she wants is precisely the man who is smart enough to stay away from her.

Ouch!

24 posted on 02/03/2003 6:56:35 PM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: apackof2
...try church...... you might change your mind...

LOL... yeah, I see a lot of "righteous" people at church... They sit through the sermon, say "amen" at the right time... And then give each other the finger as they all try to leave the parking lot...

My personal observations are that being a good Christian means living it... And that organized religion rarely matters... Ironically enough, my ex-wife (a devout Catholic) told me I'm the "most Christian" man she ever met... Which I found particularly striking, since I'm not a regular at church... :-\

And, FWIW, we split amicably (at least, on as pleasant of terms as possible), and I let her have everything she wanted... Loved her to death, but she was killing me day by day, a little piece at a time... A lack of maturity that was... intolerable.

No more, I say...

Be well...

25 posted on 02/03/2003 6:57:00 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: Our man in washington
You're a woman and you dare to go against political correctness?

Yes, why I'll dare anything. Oh. Wait. That wasn't demure of me, was it? ; )

26 posted on 02/03/2003 6:58:43 PM PST by softengine
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To: softengine; shaggy eel
I posted this on an earlier thread about this particular book, so I thought I'd post it again...

Let me just give the female side of this. It truly does suck to be single. And when you're in that 30-34 age range, it gets even worse. All your friends are married, having kids, and experiencing parts of life that you have no clue about. Sure, they envy you for being single, being independent, being free. But when it all comes down to it, who goes home to an empty bed?

I don't necessarily agree with the author on her choice of an example single woman. I can only tell you what I know. What I was taught, what I believe...

I was raised to believe that I could do anything, that I could be anything I wanted. Keep in mind that these words of freedom were given by a mother who survived two abusive marriages and four children- one of which she never knew because she gave it up for adoption. Because compared to her, those very words themselves inspired achievement and the longing for something better.

So now, I'm 33- almost 34. And for all those uplifting words rooted in feminist beliefs, I have become everything that I wanted. But do I want everything that I've become? For in that quest to be anything, I really lost who I was, and what I really wanted.

Sure, I'd scoff and mock those I knew back in my 20s who were getting married, having kids, living the life of suburbia- because I was free. I could do anything I wanted. I could pick up and go away for the weekend at a moments notice. And those pathetic conformer friends of mine had to sit back and watch the kids.

But now, who's laughing?

It isn't so much that I feel I've missed out on a lot for my own ambition. I already know that to be true. And yeah, I even fell into the popular feminist rant that 'oh guys today are scared off by successful, assertive women'. But probably the most startling casualty of exalted single life is how I define love.

You see, I still get a pang of disbelief when friends tell me the reasons why they got married, or describe the kind of love they have for their husbands. It's as though loving half or three quarters of complete and full love is enough. Heck, it sure is better than nothing.

But is it really? If I had a dime for every time one of my girlfriends said if they had to do it over, they’d do it entirely different, yada yada yada, I wouldn’t need a man because I’d be rich enough to buy one.

I've always felt that love and being in love is giving all of yourself and still retaining a sense of who you are. Love is all-consuming and something done with the entire body, mind, heart and soul- not something done half-ass, part of some desperate attempt to attach to something, anything, as long as it means not being alone, or even doing what is expected of you like the preverbal 'logical next step'. It becomes a struggle between compromising my beliefs on what I think love is and should be, or living alone in a small farm house as an old maid with 24 cats and a purse that smells like Juicy Fruit.

So, gentleman, is it better to love a little, with only a small flame than to not experience the fire at all?

This is my struggle, as a single 30 something gal.

27 posted on 02/03/2003 6:59:20 PM PST by rintense (Go Get 'Em Dubya!)
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To: Noumenon
My life improved dramatically once I realized that a life partner who did not share the same deeply held values and convictions as I did would be nothing more than a millstone around my neck.

BINGO!!! It's why I cut my ex loose... And my life did improve dramatically...

Be well.

28 posted on 02/03/2003 6:59:46 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: softengine
This isn't your fault, but I'm suprised nobody spotted this:

1. Your rights are delineated in the Constitution. Everything else is a privilege.

This is just WRONG, my man! :P

29 posted on 02/03/2003 7:00:13 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: MHGinTN
one that wants to share a nest and nestlings' driven

Are you kidding?

You are preaching to the choir!

No feminist here! In fact feminism is a huge factor in divorce.
Women trying to be men and abdicating their nesting
and materal instincts in favor of a "career."
I am lamenting the shortage of strong men who aren't afraid of a strong but feminine woman.

30 posted on 02/03/2003 7:02:48 PM PST by apackof2
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To: stlrocket
LOL!
31 posted on 02/03/2003 7:03:16 PM PST by apackof2
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To: stlrocket
ROFL - that was sooo good I had to save it!
32 posted on 02/03/2003 7:03:16 PM PST by marsh2
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To: Capitalist Eric
DG: You never met me. I was born here but raised by a british colonial and a first generation American of contry Italian descent. I'm not crass, selfish or crude, certainly not arrogant, selfish. However, my sister went on a trip to Europe and this is the attitude of European young men towards American women (until they get to know them). It's all because of the MTV culture and super feminism. Although it seemed as if they were very different cultures, I believe my father was attracted to my mother because she was not bitchy American wench. She never accepted money from him or gifts until she really got to know him.

Personally, I am told I scare men away. When a man approaches me, the first thing out of my mouth is that I don't believe in premarital sex and kissing. I also am not interested in dating, I want to get married, no birth control,etc. My husband won't be buying lunch from a vending machine, I'll bring him lunch. He will be greeted with a warmed up pair of houseshoes, a cup of coffee and me asking him how his day was. If he is in a tee'd off mood, then well you know... whatever wives are supposed to do!That's what a real woman does for her husband. This is how I was raised in my house, traditional british colonial italian household I lived in. I am not ashamed of that. Someday a man would be happy to marry the last American virgin... LOL
33 posted on 02/03/2003 7:06:40 PM PST by cyborg
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To: softengine
There's almost nothing wrong with a person a tour in the Navy won't fix.
34 posted on 02/03/2003 7:06:47 PM PST by pabianice
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To: rintense
So, gentleman, is it better to love a little, with only a small flame than to not experience the fire at all?

It's far betterto live your life with purpose and determination - and to ask for what you want. And you't get it until you're ready for it. Cryptic, maybe, but it's so true.

35 posted on 02/03/2003 7:06:57 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: Lorianne
Did Whitehead et al ever stop to think that these women wouldn't be any happier or any less clueless no matter what?

Probably not.

Now go take a Midol and watch a rerun of Friends. I wasn't whinning. Just opening a topic of discussion.

36 posted on 02/03/2003 7:07:06 PM PST by softengine
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To: lawdude; softengine
The homely gal with the big smile, two snot-nosed kids hanging on, and a contented husband is far, far happier than J-Lo ever will be!

Yeah, that's what a lot of men like to think -- that's part of how they keep themselves "contented". And J-Lo, being the shallow tramp that she is, is not a good example. Level-headed professional women who remain single will generally end up a lot happier than self-absorbed, serial-marrying, bed-hopping (between and during marriages) J-Lo.

In reality, there are certainly more miserable married and formerly married 30-something women than miserable single 30-something women. Instead of moping around about being single, single women should be glad they maintained control of their own lives, and are not stuck in the unenviable position of many married or formerly married women. Marriage can be great when undertaken for the right reasons, but it's no guarantee of happiness, and also carries substantial risks of extreme unhappiness.

37 posted on 02/03/2003 7:07:26 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Capitalist Eric
LOL... yeah, I see a lot of "righteous" people at church...

Yeah and all Italians love pasta and all black people can dance

I am sure there a couple of Christians in church who live what they believe

38 posted on 02/03/2003 7:07:47 PM PST by apackof2
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To: rintense
It truly does suck to be single. And when you're in that 30-34 age range, it gets even worse

I feel your pain but don't give up the ship yet my girlfriend just got married at 41.
In the mean time focus on what a wonderful life you do have

living alone in a small farm house as an old maid with 24 cats and a purse that smells like Juicy Fruit.

LOL! you stole my line here except it was dogs and 24 African violets

39 posted on 02/03/2003 7:16:34 PM PST by apackof2
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To: rintense
Let me just give the female side of this. It truly does suck to be single.

Speak for yourself. I'm 41, love being single, and look forward to climbing into my very own bed at the end of the day. No one else gets in that bed without an invitation, and those are very difficult to get.

40 posted on 02/03/2003 7:16:52 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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