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Californians Scramble to Oust Gov. Davis
NewsMax email alert (sorry, no URL) | Feb 1, 2003

Posted on 02/01/2003 9:04:25 AM PST by John Jorsett

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To: John Jorsett
I agree. Cooler heads need to prevail here.. or we are just one step closer to the Republic of Aztlan.

Cruz'in for a bruizin' .. BustinaMove with Bustamante .. Davi$ may be a goat on a rope, but at least, he is our goat, not La Raza's.

41 posted on 02/01/2003 10:39:09 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: LibKill
The majority voted the A$$ in AGAIN let them deal with it.
If you make the bed lay in it.
42 posted on 02/01/2003 10:39:41 AM PST by squibs
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To: aristeides
He's the guy that used the N-word publicly, isn't he?

Yep. Of course, since he isn't Trent Lott, he's still in line for Governor.

43 posted on 02/01/2003 10:50:17 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
Kind of a pipe dream, don't you think? Californians re-elected him just three months ago. You may get the recall election held but you won't win the election.
44 posted on 02/01/2003 10:55:27 AM PST by 537 Votes
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To: 537 Votes
>>You may get the recall election held but you won't win the election. <<

Exactly -- the discussion about Cruz Bust are probably right on (I need to read the Calif Constitution) -- but a recall effort would let the Dems here in Kalifornia know they can't take the conservative vote for granted.

Let Gray Panic-off-the-start Davis twist in the wind. Let's make his life as tough as possible.
45 posted on 02/01/2003 11:02:07 AM PST by freedumb2003
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To: Amerigomag
Under California law the Lt. Governor replaces the recalled Governor.

Under the state Constitution (scroll up a few posts and you'll see it), it appears that the recall election can carry the name of one or more candidates who would be the replacement:

An election to determine whether to recall an officer and, if appropriate, to elect a successor shall be called by the Governor and held not less than 60 days nor more than 80 days from the date of certification of sufficient signatures.
So Bustamente wouldn't automatically be the new gov. He'd have to run for it.
46 posted on 02/01/2003 11:05:14 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: 537 Votes
Kind of a pipe dream, don't you think? Californians re-elected him just three months ago. You may get the recall election held but you won't win the election.

I think there's a whole lot of buyer's remorse on the part of those who voted for him last time. Plus, I think the Demmocrats are royally p.o.ed at him for wanting to cut their precious funds instead of jacking up taxes enough to keep spending at the existing levels, (evidence the Calif. Teacher's Association running attack ads against him).

47 posted on 02/01/2003 11:10:43 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
So, we need to be sure that somebody does the homework and checks all the constitutional implications. And I still think we need to have some confidence that a decent replacement will be put forward by the Republican party. Going through this whole process for the sake of Riordan would not appeal to many conservatives.
48 posted on 02/01/2003 11:14:18 AM PST by Cicero
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To: John Jorsett
If I recall correctly, Davis needs a super-majority in both houses to increase or add any kind of tax (including income).

Any California Legislative analysts out there? I have been out of town for 3 years, just coming home on weekends, so I've lost touch of some of this kind of thing....
49 posted on 02/01/2003 11:14:28 AM PST by freedumb2003
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To: John Jorsett
Recalling Davis would provide two key benifits: Getting rid of Davis (and his machine), plus the dark stain this will put on the Democrats in California and the rest of the country.

Even though I received some joy after the election when it was revealed how big the California mess really was and how much trouble Davis just paid millions to wallow in, it would be much better if a Republican stepped in and fixed the problem.

50 posted on 02/01/2003 11:20:19 AM PST by Revolutionary
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To: John Jorsett; Cicero; Amerigomag
FYI .. These folks were ready to go in 2001. Maybe they are not, too?

American Patrol - April 7,2001

Should We Recall Davis?

SHOULD WE RECALL DAVIS?

April 7, 2001

The filing of bankruptcy by PG and E may have put the nail in the coffin of California. We have run out of power and an incompetent Gray Davis has made it worse. Millions of Californians will suffer. Many will lose their jobs.

In 1999 American Patrol launched a recall campaign against Gray Davis. We did it because of the unconstitutional way he killed Proposition 187. Had Proposition 187 been enforced it is likely that up to four millions illegal aliens would have been forced to leave the state, thus avoiding the power crisis.

Instead of doing his duty to enforce the laws of California, Gov. Davis made a deal with the president of Mexico to keep Proposition 187 away from the Supreme Court. He went on to say, "In the near future, people will look upon California and Mexico as one magnificent regain." Not only did Gray Davis violate the Constitution of the State of California, he is violating the Constitution of the United States. According to Article I, Section 10, "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation....No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress....enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power." Gray Davis is making an alliance with Mexico in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Our effort to recall Gray Davis fell short due mainly to a lack of money, but also because of a complete news blackout and massive behind-the-scenes sabotage by liberals. We got less than half of the 1.1 million signatures needed, but our cost per signature was extremely low.

Now Gray Davis has botched the job of solving the power crisis. He should have allowed the utilities to raise rates immediately but he refused to do so because he was afraid of the political consequences. Moreover, because illegal immigration has brought so many poor people to California, when rates do increase, Americans will have to pay even more to make up for the poor people who won't be charged. Moreover, there is increasing evidence that his deals to buy power were extremely ill advised, and possibly illegal. Gov. Davis is being sued because he refuses to tell the people what he has done.

When we filed the Notice of Intent to Recall Gray Davis, he answered by saying that "The proponents of this initiative are trying to deceive the voters into believing that illegal aliens are receiving taxpayer paid benefits. That is not true." He lied. California taxpayers are paying more than $4 billion in benefits for illegal aliens.

Gray Davis is a traitor to the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of California. He is incompetent and he is a liar. He should be recalled. If the recall drive is successful a special election would be held to pick another governor. Lt. Gov. Bustamante would not become governor.

American Patrol is willing to mount another recall of Gray Davis. We have learned, however, that we cannot do it without support.

PLEASE LET US KNOW

If you agree that Gray Davis should be recalled, please send an email to the following address and type Yes in the subject box. If you disagree, type No.

vct@americanpatrol.com

Thank you,

Glenn Spencer
President
AmericanPatrol.com

51 posted on 02/01/2003 11:36:56 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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Maybe they are now, too?
52 posted on 02/01/2003 11:47:36 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: freedumb2003
If I recall correctly, Davis needs a super-majority in both houses to increase or add any kind of tax (including income).

Yes. That was one of the other provisions of Proposition 13, the measure that limited property taxes that passed in 1978. The thing is, the Democrats are trying to finagle their way around this provision by calling things 'fees' instead of taxes. An example of this is the vehicle license fee. The Dems in the legislature want to triple this, and the Republicans are fighting them. On the one hand, the Dems say they're just 'clarifying' the existing law. If so, then the bill is subject to referendum (voters can gather signatures and put any law passed by the legislature on the ballot), and while it's pending the vote the law is suspended. Then if the law is defeated, they won't get their fee increase. When they were threatened with this, the Dems said that it's a tax increase, making it not subject to a referendum. That means it would have to have the aforementioned supermajority. The Dems are trying to argue now that it's a law in terms of supermajority (none needed) and a tax increase in terms of referendum (none allowed). The Republicans are saying that the Dems have to pick one or the other, and that a court will be asked to decide if the Dems won't. In either case, the Republicans are saying that tripling the vehicle license fees is never going to be allowed to happen, so the Dems may as well forget about it and start cutting the state budget instead of looking for more ways to get money out of us.

53 posted on 02/01/2003 12:04:20 PM PST by John Jorsett
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Been busy, thanks for the ping!

We need some cleanup done in the Governor's office!

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54 posted on 02/01/2003 12:24:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Impeach Davis!)
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To: Carry_Okie
In the meantime, Steele has enlisted former Carter pollster Pat Caddell to handle a Dump Davis democrat petition drive

Sound familiar?

55 posted on 02/01/2003 12:26:56 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: John Jorsett
So Bustamente wouldn't automatically be the new gov. He'd have to run for it

In a three way race (Bustamante v. moderate Republican v. conservative Republican) Butamante gets the plurality.

If the Democrats challange Bustamante, the moderate Republican (Roirdan) gets the plurality.

56 posted on 02/01/2003 12:34:50 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
In a three way race (Bustamante v. moderate Republican v. conservative Republican) Butamante gets the plurality.

It's not clear to me how many candidates there would be on the ballot if it's part of the recall election itself, but if it's more than two (Davis and an opponent), then the Republican has a chance. The Democrats would split over Davis and his Democrat opponent, which might leave the Republican in the race with the most votes.

57 posted on 02/01/2003 12:50:54 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: vikingchick
Zingy Dingy!
58 posted on 02/01/2003 12:54:34 PM PST by BossLady
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To: John Jorsett
I don't think Davis can run.

According to your post #14 above:

Sec 15(c) If the majority vote on the question is to recall, the officer is removed and, if there is a candidate, the candidate who receives a plurality is the successor. The officer may not be a candidate, nor shall there be any candidacy for an office filled pursuant to subdivision (d) of Section 16 of Article VI.

59 posted on 02/01/2003 1:16:15 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
I don't think Davis can run.

He's not running as a candidate, but he's nevertheless on the ballot as the officer to be retained, so he's going to get votes.

60 posted on 02/01/2003 1:20:57 PM PST by John Jorsett
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