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[AP SCOOP] Space Shuttle Columbia Will Be Visible In San Francisco Area (6AM Pacific)
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Posted on 02/01/2003 5:38:08 AM PST by leadpenny

Space Shuttle Columbia is in a decent for the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and will pass over the San Francisco Area around 6:00 AM Pacific Time. Route will take the Shuttle over Las Vegas, Flagstaff, etc. NASA has still not decided which runway will be used. Landing will be at 9:16 AM Eastern.


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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
"Thank you, leadpenny, for starting this historic and very moving thread. It gives chills to read it."

. . .my thoughts, feelings. . .cold chills as well.

. . .and particularly impressive to be recognized in major Media for 'being there'. . .

221 posted on 02/02/2003 2:19:33 PM PST by cricket
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To: leadpenny
Fantastic thread
222 posted on 02/02/2003 2:20:37 PM PST by JIM O
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To: McGruff
As a boy scout, we used to hunt Commanche arrow heads in the woods of Central Texas. You can often find them among the rocks, or dug into the side of cedar trees.

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About one hundred years from now a boy scout is going to find something funny looking inscribed with a picture and perhaps a name on it. He'll show it to his scoutmaster at the evening campfire (when all boyscouts bring out their trail finds) and the scoutmaster will examine it.

He'll say, "My grandfather once told me a story about something that happened around here. Many years ago in the pioneer age of space exploration, they used something called a "space shuttle" to explore and conqouer space. It was a primitive vehicle by today's standards. It was very dangerous, using rockets and the wind to control the ascent and descent."

The young boy looks at the patch that he found.

The scoutmaster continues, "that, my friend, is a genuine artifact of that great pioneer era, when one of those early ships disintigrated upon reentry into the earths atmosphere."

The young boy's draw will drop. "You mean they didn't have electromagnetic gravity engines?"

"No, they had courage and dreams. If you go walking in these woods, you'll find pieces laying around. They are spread out among the trees."

"What should we do with it?" the boy asks.

"They have an old memorial in Nacadoches. I'm sure they'll know what to do. We'll break camp and go visit there tomorrow - and you can see some of the other things that they found."

The boys slept that night - dreaming dreams of what it must have been like to explore space in those olden days.

- - - - -

I still go hunting for arrow heads in the hills surrounding Lago Vista. You'll find them, and when you do - you'll think of the people who came before you.

I hope a boy scout will know what to do when that day comes. As for me, I know what I would do.

I'll look up and see that pioneer trail blazing across the sky in my memory for the rest of my life.

223 posted on 02/02/2003 2:47:45 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Act with Courage, Support Promethius)
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To: leadpenny
BTTT
224 posted on 02/02/2003 2:49:46 PM PST by Chapita
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To: SamAdams76
I don't follow the shuttle reports, either. Last week, I watched the Columbia astronauts do their very personal zero-gravity tricks late one night on public access television-- never suspecting such a dramatic fate awaited them.
I heard Coast to Coast a couple weeks ago-- someone predicted something terrible would happen in the next week or so.
225 posted on 02/02/2003 2:55:08 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: PokeyJoe
You had to bring up the Boy Scouts! Now I don't know if I can pull myself together in time for my Sunday School class!

My husband will read this to his Bear Cubs, and put it in his permanent Scout Leader file.

Has any of the news mentioned whether the astronauts were Scouts - just about all of them are!
226 posted on 02/02/2003 3:11:54 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: let freedom sing; oldglory; the_doc
"I heard Coast to Coast a couple weeks ago-- someone predicted something terrible would happen in the next week or so."

Kooks predict lots of stuff. References to KOOK predictions are more appropriately posted in the tin-foil hat threads.

227 posted on 02/02/2003 3:47:52 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
I predict that wonderful things will happen soon. I just don't know what they are.

(I also don't know in advance that everyone will agree with me as to how wonderful they are. [You know what I mean?])

228 posted on 02/02/2003 3:58:28 PM PST by the_doc
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To: the_doc
BTTT
229 posted on 02/02/2003 4:08:49 PM PST by N8VTXNinWV
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To: leadpenny
Thank You for starting this thread!

It may be an unfortunate thing in terms of timing, but WHO KNEW?

I have posted additional info and replies at:

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002996.html

and at:

groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomworks

I am not a very active participant in the FreePer world, but I am glad this resource is here!

I have had FOUR heart surgeries since I first posted my string on Project112/SHAD, and I have included some links here for your convenience.

My apologies for NOT returning sooner!

Please see also:

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/ethics/articles/toxictugs.htm
http://www.va.gov/SHAD/
http://www.vva.org/TheVeteran/2002_03/accessdenied.htm
http://www.vva.org/TheVeteran/2002_01/hazardous.htm
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/biotest.htm
http://starbulletin.com/2001/11/18/news/story1.html
http://www.tugboatsf.com/lt2080Frame1Source1.htm
http://rense.com/general17/toxicbiowarfaretest.htm
http://rense.com/general15/ofMicrobesandmock.htm
http://deploymentlink.osd.mil/current_issues/shad/shad_intro.shtml
http://home.attbi.com/~kknowlto/navy.htm
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/greely.htm
230 posted on 02/02/2003 4:16:57 PM PST by wakingtime
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To: Tax-chick
You'll have to forgive my spelling. I tend to have two left middle fingers, and I don't like to proof read. That's why I bought WordPerfect! =)
231 posted on 02/02/2003 4:26:46 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Act with Courage, Support Promethius)
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To: the_doc
"I predict that wonderful things will happen soon. I just don't know what they are.

So that's why I haven't seen you posting anything on the Chicken Little kook threads! :D

"(I also don't know in advance that everyone will agree with me as to how wonderful they are. [You know what I mean?])"

From one Holland Flower cryptanalyst to another --- "Yeah". :D

232 posted on 02/02/2003 5:11:44 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: leadpenny
Bump for historical context. Fascinating
233 posted on 02/02/2003 5:44:21 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Gracey; McGruff; winodog; ken in texas; SamAdams76; Freedom'sWorthIt; TEXOKIE; WomanofStandard; ...
Thank you all for the kind words. I'd like to refer you to my post #190. There really wasn't anything special about starting the thread because I've always been interested in the space program; not in a technical sense, but rather as a hopeless romantic.

As I have told others privately, I was an Army Helicopter Pilot during the Nam years and the Apollo Program was what I used to identify with. Because the astronauts trained in helicopters for the lunar landings, I truly imagined myself along for the ride. During the shuttle program my interest has never waned. Since I have NASA-TV, I try not to miss too much. Saturday morning seemed like such a natural match for a recovery and a thread on Free Republic. NASA gave the go-ahead for the de-orbit burn and the spokesman gave the route across the US and I, again, attempted to live vicariously through others.

Winodog, Ken in Texas, and others didn't disappoint me. McGruff comes through with interesting stuff like he routinely does on The Morning Show Thread. Sam Adams76's remarks at #86 gave a timely perspective as the tragedy unfolded. The prayer, written by TEXOKIE at #142, and the poem composed by WomanofStandard at #189 are also wonderful examples of what FReepers do.

The beauty and genius of FreeRepublic is what others contribute and share.

234 posted on 02/02/2003 6:19:26 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I was standing here on the Space Coast waiting and very soon knew it was all going wrong. Most of us watch local or Nasa TV and then go outdoors to see the shuttles.

I read your thread today and re-lived the experience with more insight.

Thank you for representing the Freepers so well.

I am proud to know you!

JOYCE
235 posted on 02/02/2003 6:29:45 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; Gracey
1. You mentioned, LP, about these 80 degree turns - and that you did not recall such turns on previous Shuttle returns you have watched. Can you or Gracey elaborate on why these turns were needed on this mission and not on others? (if that is true) - or link me to a thread or a post that has such explanations?

What I thought I heard from the NASA spokesman as the shuttle crossed California was that the Columbia had begun the first of four steep turns to dissipate speed and altitude. At one point I thought I heard him say the shuttle would have been in an 80 degree bank. That seemed a little steep to me. During the NASA briefing in the afternoon there was mention of 57 degree banks during the S turns. I may have misunderstood. Maybe Gracey can answer this but most of the recoveries I have seen came up to Kennedy from the SW and the speed/altitude losing turns seemed to happen closer in than where Columbia was doing her turns yesterday.

236 posted on 02/02/2003 6:44:53 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: 3D-JOY
Thank you. That's very nice of you to say that.
237 posted on 02/02/2003 6:46:24 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: PokeyJoe
I touched it up on the printout. I can't help it; I was a copy editor before I got into taxes! :-) Long live the Boy Scouts of America. My husband is reading a biography of Lord Baden-Powell right now; amazing stuff!

Cy
238 posted on 02/02/2003 6:48:40 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: the_doc
Me, too. I have a Mysterious Charismatic Intuition that God is going to do a mighty work because of this tragedy ... just don't know what it is yet!

Usually my MCI's are about babies, so I'll be interested to see how it works out in global events.
239 posted on 02/02/2003 6:50:33 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: leadpenny; McGruff
BTTT
McGruff, could you please post
Lee Greenwood's audio "God Bless the USA" on this thread.
Thank You
240 posted on 02/02/2003 7:42:38 PM PST by Springman
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