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Chemistry guides evolution, claims theory
NewScientist.com ^ | Jan 20, 2003 | Robert Williams and Joäo José R. Fraústo da Silva

Posted on 01/20/2003 7:01:47 AM PST by forsnax5

That enduring metaphor for the randomness of evolution, a blind watchmaker that works to no pattern or design, is being challenged by two European chemists. They say that the watchmaker may have been blind, but was guided and constrained by the changing chemistry of the environment, with many inevitable results.

The metaphor of the blind watchmaker has been famously championed by Richard Dawkins of the University of Oxford. But Robert Williams, also at Oxford, and Joäo José R. Fraústo da Silva of the Technical University of Lisbon in Portugal say that evolution is not strictly random. They claim Earth's chemistry has forced life to evolve along a predictable progression from single-celled organisms to plants and animals.

Williams and da Silva take as their starting point the earliest life forms that consisted of a single compartment, or vesicle, enclosing the cytoplasm that produced polymers such as RNA, DNA and proteins. That cytoplasm was partly dominated by the reducing chemistry of the primitive oceans and atmosphere from which it formed, and has changed little since, says Williams.

As these primitive cells, or prokaryotes, extracted hydrogen from water they released oxygen, making the environment more oxidising. Ammonia became nitrogen gas, metals were released from their sulphides, and non-metal sulphides became sulphates.

These changes forced the prokaryotes to adapt to use the oxidised elements, and they evolved to harness energy by fixing nitrogen, using oxygen, and developing photosynthesis. But these oxidising elements could also damage the reducing chemistry in the cytoplasm.

For protection, there was just one option: isolate the elements within internal compartments, says Williams. And that gave rise to eukaryotes - single-celled organisms with a nucleus and other organelles.

Quiet revolution

Harold Morowitz, an expert on the thermodynamics of living systems at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, says these ideas are very exciting. "It's part of a quiet paradigm revolution going on in biology, in which the radical randomness of Darwinism is being replaced by a much more scientific law-regulated emergence of life."

According to Williams and da Silva, eukaryotes also had to evolve a way to communicate between their various organelles. The surrounding raw materials dictated how this could be done. Calcium ions would have routinely leaked into cells, precipitating DNA by binding to it. So cells responded by pumping the ions out again.

Eukaryotes evolved to use this calcium flow to send messages across internal and external membranes. Similarly, sodium ions formerly expelled as poisonous became the basis of communication in nerve cells.

Life continued to react to Earth's oxidised environment. Hydrogen peroxide gave rise to lignin - an oxygen-rich polymer that is the chief constituent of wood. And eukaryotes used copper oxidised from copper sulphides to cross-link proteins such as collagen and chitin, which help hold nerve and muscle cells in place. Such evolution of materials suitable for multicellular structures paved the way for plants and animals.

Chicken or egg

Not everyone is convinced. Evolutionary biologist David Deamer of the University of California, Santa Cruz, says the claim that evolution followed an inevitable progression should be qualified: "The inevitability depends on the origin of life and oxygenic photosynthesis."

He agrees that life arose in vesicles, but says that oxidative chemistry cannot explain everything from prokaryotes to humans.

Williams admits their theory has limitations. For instance, he agrees that Dawkins's argument is correct in that chance events drive the development of species. But he does not believe random events drive evolution overall. "Whatever life throws away will become the thing that forces the next step in its development."

However, David Krakauer, an evolutionary theorist at the Santa Fe Institute in New Mexico, says Williams and da Silva have simply listed the chemical processes that coincided with each evolutionary transition, which does not prove that the chemistry caused the transitions. But Williams says that the environmental changes had to come first, because they occur faster than changes in biological systems.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: biology; chemistry; creationism; crevolist; evolution; life; science
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To: VadeRetro
Thanks Vade, appreciate it!! THat is not exactly what I was talking about, but hopefully this person will follow the link provided. Excellent info!!
21 posted on 01/20/2003 11:45:01 AM PST by Aric2000 (Evolution is science, ID and Creationisme are Religion, Any questions?)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thank you PH, hopefully they will follow the link.
22 posted on 01/20/2003 11:45:35 AM PST by Aric2000 (Evolution is science, ID and Creationisme are Religion, Any questions?)
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To: VadeRetro
Seems a couple of hours have elapsed since the eye question was answered. It's always good to see people taking time to read. ;^)
23 posted on 01/20/2003 12:10:08 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Seems a couple of hours have elapsed since the eye question was answered. It's always good to see people taking time to read.

It doesn't happen often, but sometimes a newbie will show up in one of these threads, pop his big killer question, and then -- when the question is almost immediately answered -- the newbie just vanishes, never to be heard from again. I don't know if they suffer a crisis of faith, or a revulsion that there really are satanic eee-vooo-luuu-shunists on the website, or what.

24 posted on 01/20/2003 12:27:49 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Preserve the purity of your precious bodily fluids!)
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To: PatrickHenry
I have to admit that on the (vanishingly rare) occasions when I am proved wrong, I tend to lurk for a while.
25 posted on 01/20/2003 12:32:23 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I have to admit that on the (vanishingly rare) occasions when I am proved wrong, I tend to lurk for a while.

When it happens to me, there are too many people making jokes about it, so I just have to join in. Like the time when I spent days saying that Uranus was the 8th planet ...

26 posted on 01/20/2003 12:38:14 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Preserve the purity of your precious bodily fluids!)
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To: PatrickHenry
As long as nobody says, "Insert joke here..."
27 posted on 01/20/2003 12:41:44 PM PST by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry
Buried deep in your link was this lovely tidbit:

There is a science called population genetics, and it has mathematical formulae for how quickly favorable genetic changes can spread throughout a population of sexually reproducing creatures. From these formulae, Nilsson and Pelger concluded that the 1829 steps could happen in about 350,000 generations.

In real life, an eye could evolve a little more quickly than that, or more slowly. It would depend on how much the specific creatures were being pressured to change, and on whether vision was relevant to their lifestyle.

If one year equals one generation, then a fairly good eye could evolve in maybe a third of a million years. It is thought that animal life has been on earth for at least 600 million years. That is certainly enough time for eyes to have evolved many times over.

In fact, taxonomists say that eyes have evolved at least 40 different times, and and possibly as many as 65 times. There are 9 different optical principles that have been used in the design of eyes and all 9 are represented more than once in the animal kingdom. Why so many? Well, because there was time.

This is for all those creos who claim there is not enough time for evolution to have occurred.

28 posted on 01/20/2003 12:48:25 PM PST by Junior (No tag line this time.)
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To: Junior
That's if one year equals one generation. There are numerous species with eyes that reproduce many times faster than that.
29 posted on 01/20/2003 1:01:41 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Preserve the purity of your precious bodily fluids!)
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To: PatrickHenry
pm...

I just thought up a joke -

How many liberals (( evoplutionist ))* does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer -

none, because they like to remain in the dark.


21 posted on 01/20/2003 0:32 AM PST by pram

.. .. .. * ...oops---I did that ! !
30 posted on 01/20/2003 1:20:16 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Like the time when I spent days saying that Uranus was the 8th planet ...

I still say Romania would be utterly landlocked if the Black Sea did not exist.

31 posted on 01/20/2003 1:24:06 PM PST by VadeRetro (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs ... maybe you just don't get it.)
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To: Junior
This is for all those creos who claim there is not enough time for evolution to have occurred.

Well, 6000 years really isn't a lot of time.

32 posted on 01/20/2003 1:25:43 PM PST by VadeRetro (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs ... maybe you just don't get it.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
From the article:

Not everyone is convinced.

That says it all.

33 posted on 01/20/2003 1:26:05 PM PST by Dataman
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To: forsnax5
That cytoplasm was partly dominated by the reducing chemistry of the primitive oceans and atmosphere from which it formed, and has changed little since, says Williams.

If I could just point out one tiny, itsy bitsy problem here: the geologic evidence does not document a reducing atmosphere in the primitive earth - there is plenty of oxygen as evidenced by the presence of ferric iron in the rocks from these time periods.

These guys are apparently making the same erroneous assumptions Stanley Miller did in 1953. The presence of oxygen in any significant quantities is anathema to these reactions.

34 posted on 01/20/2003 1:26:26 PM PST by CalConservative
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To: VadeRetro
One of these days I'll make a gigantic blunder, go into denial, and start posting in blue. That way, I'll avoid making a fool of myself.
35 posted on 01/20/2003 1:28:29 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Preserve the purity of your precious bodily fluids!)
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To: Dataman
That [not everyone is convinced] says it all.

Indeed it does! Thank you for looking it over and for your post!

36 posted on 01/20/2003 1:39:08 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Evolution mind games . . . rhetoric - - - channeling rocks // bones // mold // navels // atoms // molecules // dna ! ! !
37 posted on 01/20/2003 2:22:36 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Dataman
Can anyone point to any theory that debuted with unanimous acceptance?

Or is the opposite more generally true?
38 posted on 01/20/2003 2:27:12 PM PST by Condorman (Being popular is important. Otherwise people might not like you.)
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To: Junior; PatrickHenry
By your reasoning, we should be seeing fast breeding critters go from sightless to having eyes, or at least, from eyespots to socket type eyes, within human history.

If it takes only 333,000 years to go from nothing to a "fairly good eye" for critters that have a generation equal to a year, then I suppose it would take only 6,400 years to develop a "fairly good" eye in critters that can reproduce in only a week. And of course that should mean that criters can go from nothing to eyespots in a fraction of that, or from eyespots to socket-eyes in a fraction of that. The very recent fossil record should document that rate of evolution- if it happens.

What, no such evidence exists? I wonder what that could mean?
39 posted on 01/20/2003 2:36:19 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Dan Day
Hey DD, wanna buy stock in my Blind Watchmaking company?
It's Mindless as well, so no creationists working..just gullible darwinites.
Also, chemistry describes processes toward equilibrium.
Life is contra-equilibrium.
40 posted on 01/20/2003 2:39:39 PM PST by metacognative
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