To: Guillermo
Where in the New Testament (the BASIS for Christianity) does it condone genocide? I thought the 10 Commandments was the foundation that Christitantity was built on. That is in the OT, unless I am sorely mistaken.
The OT admonitions to kill the Amelekites were for then and only them.
And the limitation and conditions for this are all contained in a single verse? Or may a Muslum plaster a single incriminating verse on a billboard as this pastor did?
14 posted on
01/17/2003 6:41:40 AM PST by
Hodar
To: Hodar
No, the Ten Commandments are not the basis of Christianity. By suggesting this, you prove you know nothing about it.
I don't care what Bible verse a Mohammedan cleric chooses to plaster on a sign.
Again, you moral equivalancy fails to hold water.
17 posted on
01/17/2003 6:44:40 AM PST by
Guillermo
(Sic em')
To: Hodar
Jesus said the Law can be wrapped up in this...
Love the Lord your God, with your whole heart and soul and mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.he went on to say "neighbor" meant anyone (in the parable of the "Good Samaritan.")
Jesus preached forgiveness. Mohammed okayed retribution.
22 posted on
01/17/2003 6:49:55 AM PST by
syriacus
(Global Warming could be Nature's way of saving the homeless in Winter.)
To: Hodar
good point
To: Hodar
The ten commandments was a basis for Judism, ie before Christ.
Just shows we need to attend Sunday School, eh?
To: Hodar
Or may a Muslum plaster a single incriminating verse on a billboard as this pastor did? Of course he can.
To: Hodar
I thought the 10 Commandments was the foundation that Christitantity was built on. That is in the OT, unless I am sorely mistaken.So where in the Ten Commandments is there a reference to genocide?
If anything, the Ten Commandments stand as a standard in which we are to respect the supremacy of relationships, with God, with parents, with neighbors.
75 posted on
01/17/2003 7:59:41 AM PST by
A2J
To: Hodar
You are sorely mistaken, Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ.. hence the name. Certainly the 10 commandments are part of the Christian faith, and a very important part, as they are the rules of God given to man... but Christianity is not the old covenant, it is the new. Jesus's life, teachings and actions were the embodiment of the new covenent, and his death cemented it and reopened the gates of heaven.
Do not confuse Christianity, with the eye for an eye teachings of the old testament.
As one here already said, Jesus was killed for your sins, Mohommed would have you killed for yours.
To: Hodar
Take a class in logic before you post again. Your thinking follows "All horses are black, this thing is black therefore it must be a horse. "
To: Hodar
Seems to me Moses walked down from the mountain with at least 10 items that are probibited including murder. Moses predated both Mohammed and Christ. I'm no Koran expert, but are the 10 commandments in the Koran? I suspect there's likely similar wording, if not all the commandments.
And, there are plenty of references to "approved murder" in the Old Testament, so the reverse could be just as easily advocated by Islamists. Another thing, I'm no Bible expert either, but I don't recall anywhere in the New Testament where Christ explcitly said murder was prohibited although, granted, Jesus was all about peace.
Seems to me the message was put up on the sign for no other reason than it was a feel good thing for this pastor. The "belligerent language", IMHO, confirms this.
315 posted on
01/18/2003 7:05:33 AM PST by
DaGman
To: Hodar; Guillermo
Where in the New Testament (the BASIS for Christianity) does it condone genocide?
1.
I thought the 10 Commandments was the foundation that Christitantity was built on. That is in the OT, unless I am sorely mistaken.
The OT admonitions to kill the Amelekites were for then and only them.
2.
And the limitation and conditions for this are all contained in a single verse? Or may a Muslum plaster a single incriminating verse on a billboard as this pastor did?
1. They
are in the OT, but you're sorely mistaken about the foundation of Christianity (look at the word). The giving of the law and the prophets (the 10 Commandments contained in the law) wasn't the foundation of Christianity. It was the
fulfilling of the Law and the Prophets and who fulfilled them that provided the foundation for Christianity (like Peter and his statement about Jesus being the Christ, the son of the living G-d that Jesus said was the rock upon which he would build his church--sounds pretty foundational to me). From the Christian perspective, the Law and the Prophets were site preparation for the laying of the foundation that was Jesus. That said, there is nothing genocidal in the 10 Commandments.
The 10 Commandments is a summation of moral law, though Jesus gave an even more condensed version: "Love the Lord your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Mt 22:37-40; Paul boiled it down even farther: "Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law." Romans 13:8 and "...and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law" Romans13:9-10.
2. Pretty much. It's clearly stated who, what, when, where, and why. It's not a general exhortation as is the citation from the Koran. Besides, you're straining at "verse". Verse notation was added relatively recently. But here are a couple of verses you won't see in the Koran:
1. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:10
2. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Romans 12:18
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis,
Basic Christianity by John Stott, and
The God Who Is There by Francis Schaeffer together provide a fairly comprehensive look at the basic Christian worldview.
Mere Christianity will put it in the context of moral reasoning and the historical types of religious worldview (monism vs dualism; polytheism, pantheism, monotheism).
Basic Christianity is more an explanation of the central teachings of Christianity the removal of any of which would result in something not Christian.
The God Who Is There describes Christianity in the context of the development of the post-Christian philosophical worldview over the past three hundred years or so.
321 posted on
01/18/2003 8:29:42 AM PST by
aruanan
To: Hodar
Yes you are sorely mistaken.
Christianity is based on the following and belief in Christ. The 10 Commandments are one of the original Laws given to the Jews. The Law was for the Jews, Christ came to fullfill the law but at the same time to be a sacrifice for us so that we would have everlasting life and not be found guilty under the law.
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