Church's sign has Muslims outraged -''Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''

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[Jason_b]

read later---maybe

[Marysecretary]

The Koran was dictated to Mohammed by God? I really doubt that. I think ole' Mohammed just wrote what the devil put in his mind. The God of Abraham had nada to do with it.

[HarryDunne]

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[HarryDunne]

Out of curiosity, did you read past post 4 of this thread?

[KMJames]

Ok, I think I see what your peeve is regarding this sign; you think that by eliminating the references to single verses ...the muslums would not be able to discredit you.

Possibly true (though I think the muslims would find a way to "discredit" any criticism), but, you must consider the medium of the message.

This is a sign - not a persuasive essay or speech. It is meant to attract attention and elicit further consideration. It simply cannot contain a lengthy discourse or argumentation.

I believe the sign is successful in that it is attracting attention and eliciting further consideration. This thread is proof of its success.

[PAR35]

So where in the Ten Commandments is there a reference to genocide?

Right here:

"You shall not murder"
Exodus 20:13
New King James Version

[HighWheeler]

Maybe someone can explain these passages:

"Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated." (Surah 9:29)

In the very texts which incite peace, the Muslim is commanded to "...restrain their hands, take them and kill them wherever you find them." (Surah 4:91) And again,

"...O Prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty patient men among you, you shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred, they shall overcome a thousand, for they are a nation who do not understand." (Surah 8:65)

[Marysecretary]

I don't know much about the Army of God but that doesn't necessarily mean they're Christian. Lots of people use the name God who aren't, you know.

[Marysecretary]

He created satan, too. So?

[PAR35]

And now, Hodar's babble from his homepage:

You missed the most relevant item; Hodar is from Austin.

[Marysecretary]

Nah, they just want to kill everyone who isn't Muslim or won't convert.

[headsonpikes]

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[swarthyguy]

>>you using the numerical system of such a "backward" culture?

That's a common misperception of history encouraged by the islamis.

The numerical system, particularly the zero and algebra were imported from conquered India by the islamis, who since then, have taken credit for it.

It's a propagandistic lie.

[HamiltonJay]

You are sorely mistaken, Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ.. hence the name. Certainly the 10 commandments are part of the Christian faith, and a very important part, as they are the rules of God given to man... but Christianity is not the old covenant, it is the new. Jesus's life, teachings and actions were the embodiment of the new covenent, and his death cemented it and reopened the gates of heaven.

Do not confuse Christianity, with the eye for an eye teachings of the old testament.

As one here already said, Jesus was killed for your sins, Mohommed would have you killed for yours.

[HarryDunne]

I'm trying to understand your point of view. A question mark saves keystrokes. What's up with the exclamation points?

[HarryDunne]

right

[Hodar]

You missed the most relevant item; Hodar is from Austin.

Don't you get tired of attacking instead of debating the point? Or are you so intellectually challenged that is the best you can muster. I'm tending to believe the latter.

By the way, genius ... I'm not from Austin, I just live here now. I've lived in South Dakota, Houston, Austin, Arkansas, Nebraska, Seattle, then back to Austin. Moving around where the career leads you tends to do a couple things. More $$$ than staying put, plus it expands your ability to grasp origional ideas.

But what does that have to do with anything?? What's next, comments about my mother? It's almost epected, as that's been the level of your attacks so far.

[A2J]

RE: #186

That is a prohibition against genocide, not an endorsement of it.

[Hodar]

Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ

I agree, however Christ's teaching were based upon standards set by the Old Testiment. He fulfilled prophesies, and augmented what was in the Old Testiment. That's why the OT and the NT are in the same bible, as opposed to being two entirely different books. God's commandments were not superceded, however the need for blood sacrifices was changed; as well as a great many other requirements of the time. But, the general rules still apply. Hence, the building of the Christian church has a FOUNDATION in the Old Testiment, as the church is built upon them. Our values in society today are derived from Judeo-Christian values, as in the old testiment and the Torah.

[syriacus]

My point is that this sign is an abuse of the freedom of speech, designed for the single purpose of insulting a group of people.

Do you have the gift of reading men's minds?

Maybe the pastor was trying to educate people, rather than insult people.