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Church's sign has Muslims outraged -''Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''
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Posted on 01/17/2003 6:11:48 AM PST by chance33_98



Church's sign has Muslims outraged

Florida pastor says criticism of Islam is legal and fair

Associated Press Friday, January 17, 2003

Jacksonville --- The Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida is calling on state religious leaders to repudiate a Jacksonville Baptist church's roadside sign the group claims is anti-Muslim.

The sign outside the First Conservative Baptist Church in Jacksonville's Mandarin area reads: ''Jesus Forbade Murder. Matthew 26:52. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''

Altaf Ali, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida, said his organization attempted to talk with the Baptist church's officials about the sign, but were rebuffed with belligerent language.

''All Americans must band together to condemn hate speech designed to divide our nation along religious and ethnic lines,'' Ali said. ''Any attempt to marginalize or vilify one religious community is an attack on all people of faith.''

The church's pastor, the Rev. Gene Youngblood, who also leads the Conservative Theological Society and Conservative Christian Academy, said he has been using the marquee-type sign to express the church's opinion for 15 years and has no plans to remove the message.

''First and foremost, are we not entitled to freedom of speech?'' Youngblood said.

Youngblood, who said he is an expert on world religions, said he had been threatened and his property vandalized. He said he has filed 13 police reports since July.

Youngblood said his church would issue a formal statement later.

Iman Zaid Malik, spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida, said some Christian friends brought the offensive sign to his attention.

''Misinformation must be rejected by all people of conscience,'' Malik said. ''This shows that the vast majority of Americans reject hate and seek a society where good overcomes the evil.''

Malik said the Quran verse indicates that those who believe and are steadfast in battle will overcome much larger armies. It is not an endorsement of murder, he said.

The verse reads: ''O Prophet [Muhammad]! Inspire the believers to conquer all fear of death when fighting, [so that] if there be twenty of you who are patient in adversity, they might overcome two hundred; and if there be one hundred of you, they might overcome one-thousand of those bent on denying the truth, because they are people who cannot grasp it.''

The Council on American-Islamic Relations said the Quran also states, ''whoever murders a person . . . it will be as if he killed all mankind, and whoever saves a life, shall be regarded as if he saved all mankind.''

ON THE WEB: Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida: www.cair-florida.org

First Conservative Baptist Church: www.conservative.edu/main.htm


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To: chance33_98
read later---maybe
181 posted on 01/17/2003 9:48:52 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: carolina rebel
The Koran was dictated to Mohammed by God? I really doubt that. I think ole' Mohammed just wrote what the devil put in his mind. The God of Abraham had nada to do with it.
182 posted on 01/17/2003 9:49:57 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: headsonpikes
?
183 posted on 01/17/2003 9:52:46 AM PST by HarryDunne
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To: HamiltonJay
Out of curiosity, did you read past post 4 of this thread?
184 posted on 01/17/2003 9:53:45 AM PST by HarryDunne
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To: Hodar
Ok, I think I see what your peeve is regarding this sign; you think that by eliminating the references to single verses ...the muslums would not be able to discredit you.

Possibly true (though I think the muslims would find a way to "discredit" any criticism), but, you must consider the medium of the message.

This is a sign - not a persuasive essay or speech. It is meant to attract attention and elicit further consideration. It simply cannot contain a lengthy discourse or argumentation.

I believe the sign is successful in that it is attracting attention and eliciting further consideration. This thread is proof of its success.

185 posted on 01/17/2003 9:54:14 AM PST by KMJames
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To: A2J; Hodar
So where in the Ten Commandments is there a reference to genocide?

Right here:

"You shall not murder"
Exodus 20:13
New King James Version

186 posted on 01/17/2003 9:55:43 AM PST by PAR35
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To: chance33_98
Maybe someone can explain these passages:

"Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated." (Surah 9:29)

In the very texts which incite peace, the Muslim is commanded to "...restrain their hands, take them and kill them wherever you find them." (Surah 4:91) And again,

"...O Prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty patient men among you, you shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred, they shall overcome a thousand, for they are a nation who do not understand." (Surah 8:65)

187 posted on 01/17/2003 9:56:48 AM PST by HighWheeler
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To: McNoggin
I don't know much about the Army of God but that doesn't necessarily mean they're Christian. Lots of people use the name God who aren't, you know.
188 posted on 01/17/2003 10:01:37 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Dave S
He created satan, too. So?
189 posted on 01/17/2003 10:02:25 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: CCWoody; Hodar; carolina rebel; AppyPappy
And now, Hodar's babble from his homepage:

You missed the most relevant item; Hodar is from Austin.

190 posted on 01/17/2003 10:04:25 AM PST by PAR35
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To: nightdriver
Nah, they just want to kill everyone who isn't Muslim or won't convert.
191 posted on 01/17/2003 10:10:31 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: HarryDunne
"?"

!!!
192 posted on 01/17/2003 10:16:15 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: McNoggin
>>you using the numerical system of such a "backward" culture?

That's a common misperception of history encouraged by the islamis.

The numerical system, particularly the zero and algebra were imported from conquered India by the islamis, who since then, have taken credit for it.

It's a propagandistic lie.
193 posted on 01/17/2003 10:18:15 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Hodar
You are sorely mistaken, Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ.. hence the name. Certainly the 10 commandments are part of the Christian faith, and a very important part, as they are the rules of God given to man... but Christianity is not the old covenant, it is the new. Jesus's life, teachings and actions were the embodiment of the new covenent, and his death cemented it and reopened the gates of heaven.

Do not confuse Christianity, with the eye for an eye teachings of the old testament.

As one here already said, Jesus was killed for your sins, Mohommed would have you killed for yours.
194 posted on 01/17/2003 10:26:56 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: headsonpikes
I'm trying to understand your point of view. A question mark saves keystrokes. What's up with the exclamation points?
195 posted on 01/17/2003 10:28:59 AM PST by HarryDunne
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To: headsonpikes
right
196 posted on 01/17/2003 10:29:13 AM PST by HarryDunne
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To: PAR35
You missed the most relevant item; Hodar is from Austin.

Don't you get tired of attacking instead of debating the point? Or are you so intellectually challenged that is the best you can muster. I'm tending to believe the latter.

By the way, genius ... I'm not from Austin, I just live here now. I've lived in South Dakota, Houston, Austin, Arkansas, Nebraska, Seattle, then back to Austin. Moving around where the career leads you tends to do a couple things. More $$$ than staying put, plus it expands your ability to grasp origional ideas.

But what does that have to do with anything?? What's next, comments about my mother? It's almost epected, as that's been the level of your attacks so far.

197 posted on 01/17/2003 10:35:46 AM PST by Hodar
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To: PAR35
RE: #186

That is a prohibition against genocide, not an endorsement of it.

198 posted on 01/17/2003 10:39:34 AM PST by A2J
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To: HamiltonJay
Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ

I agree, however Christ's teaching were based upon standards set by the Old Testiment. He fulfilled prophesies, and augmented what was in the Old Testiment. That's why the OT and the NT are in the same bible, as opposed to being two entirely different books. God's commandments were not superceded, however the need for blood sacrifices was changed; as well as a great many other requirements of the time. But, the general rules still apply. Hence, the building of the Christian church has a FOUNDATION in the Old Testiment, as the church is built upon them. Our values in society today are derived from Judeo-Christian values, as in the old testiment and the Torah.

199 posted on 01/17/2003 10:40:33 AM PST by Hodar
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To: Hodar
My point is that this sign is an abuse of the freedom of speech, designed for the single purpose of insulting a group of people.

Do you have the gift of reading men's minds?

Maybe the pastor was trying to educate people, rather than insult people.

200 posted on 01/17/2003 10:41:28 AM PST by syriacus (Global Warming is just Mother Nature's way of helping the poor stay alive in the Winter.)
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