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I'm not jewish and I don't dislike jews. I have jewish friends and my best buddy married a jewish girl. I live in iowa and used to live in nebraska.

I think it is fairly easy to see why the jews are so hated all around the world. The simple answer is that they refuse to assimilate. They view themselves as guests in the land that they live and they are just there to get what they can and improve thier situation as much as they can for the time being. But they have no emotional ties to the land, or the nation, or the people or the culture that exists around them. They have no desire to fit in or to understand or learn anything about the people(non jews) around them. They have no desire to let the people around them get to know them. They seem to view non jews as simply part of the landscape. Non jews are just part of the environment, like a forest, that is tied to the land and has been there forever and never changes.....kind of like the way college kids think of "townies".

The day that things are not so good, they(jews) pull up and leave. The jews are despised in a way that is very similar to the way that townies despise the college kids in a small college town.

The fact that jews seem to prosper to a greater extent than the rest of us only makes them hated even more, but it is not the core reason.

The reason why the germans hated jews so much in the days of, and prior to WWII, is precisely this that I have explained. The jews in germany were not disliked at first. They were welcomed to germany. The germans welcomed them with open arms and were eager to "make them into germans". The problem was that the jews had no desire to become germans. THe germans felt they had been snubbed....and that's because they were. The jews formed their own society and shut out the germans. The jews had no feelings of nationalism or pride in the country as the germans did. The jews refused to fight in wars for their country. They behaved as gypsies that had just set up a temporary settlement in germany and would be moving on again someday.

So why should the germans not like the jews? The jews were the college brats and the germans were the townies. Of course they would not like eachother.

Of course, I am speaking in terms of broad generalizations. Many individuals do not fit the generalization, but I beleive the generalization is not an inaccurate one.

Sorry, but you are ill informed.

Jews have always assimilated into the common culture, once teh legal restrictions preventing them from doing so ended. Thus once they were emancipated in Europe, many Jews did integrate into French, German, Austrian, Hungarian..... societies. Many (including most of my family) went to public or non-Jewish schools and stopped speaking Yiddish. They served in the armies and in all forms of public life. Jews disporprotionately served in and dies in European armies in WWI.
Unfortunately, the nationalist movements refused to accept Jews. For instance, many Jews were origionally involved int he Hungarian and Polish Independence movements, only to be betrayed in 1848. Many German Jews were part of the 1848 attempt to unify Germany under a Liberal Constitutional Monarchy.

After World War I, Jews were very prominent in the Weimar Republic. That is one of the things Hitler ralled against.

The fact is that anti-Semties will hate Ghetto Jews, Court Jews, and assimilated Jews. Some will also hate Jews who converted to Christianity.

Ron.

PS. Take a look at American Jews. We are very integrated.

I think it is fairly easy to see why the jews are so hated all around the world. The simple answer is that they refuse to assimilate.

I don't agree. The fact is that historically they never had the chance to assimilate. They were pretty much forced to live in ghettos so that they didn't "contaminate" the thoughts of Christians. They were hated because they didn't agree that Jesus is the Messiah,and the Catholic Church saw that as a threat.

They view themselves as guests in the land that they live and they are just there to get what they can and improve thier situation as much as they can for the time being. But they have no emotional ties to the land, or the nation, or the people or the culture that exists around them.They have no desire to fit in or to understand or learn anything about the people(non jews) around them.

Are we talking about Jews or Mexicans?

They seem to view non jews as simply part of the landscape. Non jews are just part of the environment, like a forest, that is tied to the land and has been there forever and never changes.....kind of like the way college kids think of "townies".The day that things are not so good, they(jews) pull up and leave.

I agree that there seems to be a certain amount of truth in this.

The fact that jews seem to prosper to a greater extent than the rest of us only makes them hated even more, but it is not the core reason.

I agree that they seem to prosper more than "the rest of us",but that is to their credit,and our shame. They profit because they believe in education,hard work,and helping one another. The "Golden Rule" of the white man seems to be "Screw YOU,ME first!". The "rest of us" would be a hell of a lot better off if we were to act more like them in some respects.

The problem was that the jews had no desire to become germans.

Tell that to somebody who doesn't know better. Most of the German Jews very much wanted to be Germans,they just didn't want to stop being Jews,also.

The jews formed their own society and shut out the germans.

That is one way to look at their tendency to circle their wagons so they spend their time helping each other. As for forming their own "society",again they had no choice. This is because they weren't Christians,and didn't go to Church with the Christian Germans. Have you formed your own society to shut out "Hindu-Americans"? If not,why don't you have more Hindu-American friends and in-laws? See how this works?

The jews had no feelings of nationalism or pride in the country as the germans did.

Well,ya gotta admit it is hard to feel much solidarity with a government that compares you to rats. The Jews in Germany before WW-2 did do things like join the army though,and they were proud of being Germans. And why not? Germans of the pre-WW-2 period were considered to be a sophisticated and educated people.

The jews refused to fight in wars for their country. They behaved as gypsies that had just set up a temporary settlement in germany and would be moving on again someday.

This is utter nonsense if you are speaking about the pre-WW-2 German Jews. MANY joined the German Army and fought in WW-1. I agree when this is applied to most "modern" Jews,though. There are damn few Jews in the US military,for example. The fact that they are allowed to hold commissions in the Israeli Army while avoiding service in the US Army is personally VERY galling to me. In MY opinion,if they aren't willing to fight for America,but are willing to fight for Israel,they need to put their asses where their hearts are,and good riddance!

You may have a valid point, assimilation is not part of every Jews make up. Nor do they readily convert, something that has made them outcast by the Muslims and early Christians. I am Jewish and very assimilated, also very conservative and not at all in tune with most of the "assimilated" reform Jews who are socialist democrats. The Jews who keep to themselves are more likely to be orthodox and keep to themselves as part of living a kosher lifestyle, which can be quite a challenge if one does not have community to support.

That is why in my post I alluded to the Jews losing favor with some because of their pacifist and socialistic views which here in America will render us weak both militarily and economically. I was not posting for European Jews, but as you pointed out, they were pacifist in those wars too.

The German situation was partly envy and partly Hitler, but as a people the Jews moving into Germany did not do enough to become "German". However many went to the gas chambers thinking they were loyal Germans and wondering how their G-d could have forsaken them so completely. Of course there is also the problem of becoming nationalist when that meant giving voice to supporting Hitler and what he stood for. It is doubtful that many Jews would be welcomed by their community wearing the Brown Shirts of Hitler's youth groups.

Jews however are taught loyalty first to their current country and secondly to Israel. I don't know many Jews who simply "pull up and leave" when the going gets tough. Sorry. For example, Jews in America have no problem with the Scout Oath with its priority of duty to G-d, country, and self. If Jews had a hard time in America would they immigrate to Israel where they would face greater hardship and danger? I don't see that many leaving.

Incidently, you post would indicate that the Muslims will have a hard time being liked as well, they assimilate even less than the Jews.

That's a very thoughtful analysis. But, how would that differ from, say, the black population in the US?

A large part of the black population tries to maintain a distinct culture, and ostracize those who act "white" or who succeed in the "white world". They try to take on an african culture, even if they have to make it up.

Likewise, the American Indian population largely stays isolated, even maintaining their own nations inside the confines of the US.

And now we're seeing a spanish-speaking population coming in. They are not learning the local language, and spanish signs and menus are popping up everywhere in the country.

The only difference I see is that the Jewish population doesn't ask for special government considerations. No one is asking for reparations, for special consideration in job or school applications, etc.

Your pseudo-analysis is not based on factual information. If anything Jews were prevented from assimilating by those amongst whom they tried living. Note that Jews assimilate rather well in a free society (USA).

Satan would like to see the whole line from Abraham eliminated, for that would set God's promises to Abraham at nought, threatening the very reliability of God's authority. Jew haters are being used as pawns in Satan's extirmination attempt!

The day that things are not so good, they(jews) pull up and leave. The jews are despised
in a way that is very similar to the way that townies despise the college kids in
a small college town.

This may be true in a fair amount of the history of the Jewish Diaspora.

But, there is one fairly noticeable counter-example.
The Jews of Europe did give it a fairly good go at assimilating into
their adopted countries during the 1800s and early 1900s...only to eventually become
scapegoats again and lose property and often life.

While a fair number escaped the coming debacle, a large number tried "to hang in there"
and paid dearly for it.

I remember reading about how Henry Kissinger's mother had to convince her husband that
"it's time to get out of Germany" in the 1930s...because Kissinger's father had
become so "German" that he could not believe what was happening could last (or get worse).

While I agree that Jews generally do hold themselves apart from a lot of societies
they've been in during the Diaspora, saying that is a reason for their being disliked/hated
is understandable...but saying it's the reason they were murdered is edging
toward a "blame the victim" analysis... (in my opinion)