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To: mamelukesabre
You may have a valid point, assimilation is not part of every Jews make up. Nor do they readily convert, something that has made them outcast by the Muslims and early Christians. I am Jewish and very assimilated, also very conservative and not at all in tune with most of the "assimilated" reform Jews who are socialist democrats. The Jews who keep to themselves are more likely to be orthodox and keep to themselves as part of living a kosher lifestyle, which can be quite a challenge if one does not have community to support.

That is why in my post I alluded to the Jews losing favor with some because of their pacifist and socialistic views which here in America will render us weak both militarily and economically. I was not posting for European Jews, but as you pointed out, they were pacifist in those wars too.

The German situation was partly envy and partly Hitler, but as a people the Jews moving into Germany did not do enough to become "German". However many went to the gas chambers thinking they were loyal Germans and wondering how their G-d could have forsaken them so completely. Of course there is also the problem of becoming nationalist when that meant giving voice to supporting Hitler and what he stood for. It is doubtful that many Jews would be welcomed by their community wearing the Brown Shirts of Hitler's youth groups.

Jews however are taught loyalty first to their current country and secondly to Israel. I don't know many Jews who simply "pull up and leave" when the going gets tough. Sorry. For example, Jews in America have no problem with the Scout Oath with its priority of duty to G-d, country, and self. If Jews had a hard time in America would they immigrate to Israel where they would face greater hardship and danger? I don't see that many leaving.

Incidently, you post would indicate that the Muslims will have a hard time being liked as well, they assimilate even less than the Jews.
139 posted on 01/19/2003 3:00:07 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: KC_for_Freedom
I think in third world countries, muslims are not so stigmatized. Muslims recruit. Muslims do not shut people out....unless they refuse to convert to islam.

Jews not only refuse to convert to your faith, but they also refuse to convert you to their faith. You are automatically an outsider and there is no way around it. To jews, only those that are born jews matter.


Of course, I am overstating my point here. It is not as extreme as this. But there is this about the jewish faith and culture that very exclusive.
159 posted on 01/25/2003 12:57:15 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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