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Bush Administration Denounces Quotas
Associated Press Update Email | 15 January 2003 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 01/15/2003 1:29:57 PM PST by PhiKapMom

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To: PhiKapMom
20 points for their color and a perfect SAT score applicant received only 12

Most people did not know that. I think it was being intentionally hidden by the media. My lib mominlaw wouldn't believe me when I told her - not that it would change her mind if she did.

21 posted on 01/15/2003 2:20:22 PM PST by MrB
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To: PhiKapMom
Potently timed for MLK Day.
22 posted on 01/15/2003 2:24:32 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: BarHopper
"If you believe you should receive special treatment because of the color of your skin, you are a racist!!"

BINGO! And anybody who believes certain groups need help because of skin color whatever, like dick boy, is a racist.

23 posted on 01/15/2003 2:25:28 PM PST by Chong (If someone insults me with "preferential treatment," I'll give him a dose of My special TREATMENT!)
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To: MrB
I had never heard that about the points granted. Glad to know that I wasn't the only one -- you are right -- must have stayed hidden is right.
24 posted on 01/15/2003 2:25:57 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Tacis
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! You have them pegged!
25 posted on 01/15/2003 2:26:54 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Chong
Am glad the President decided to weigh in on this issue! Can imagine what the news channels are going to sound like this evening.

Do believe I will not be watching cable news tonight!
26 posted on 01/15/2003 2:29:49 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: mhking
Ping me, please!
27 posted on 01/15/2003 2:31:37 PM PST by bdeaner
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To: Chong
"The politically charged issue forced the president to balance the desires of his conservative backers, who staunchly oppose affirmative action, against the potential reaction from the broader electorate if he is viewed as being racially insensitive."

So it's right wing wacko's vs. Joe Citizen huh? I suspect polling has consistently shown that Americans oppose quotas. How about: "Bush had to balance the ideal of a non-racist color blind society, a concept which quotas run counter to, against the knowledge that democrats would use the President's opposition to sow racial discord in hopes of increasing African American votes for democrats." ??

28 posted on 01/15/2003 2:31:53 PM PST by Williams
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To: hchutch
GO DUBYA GO!
29 posted on 01/15/2003 2:32:27 PM PST by bdeaner
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To: PhiKapMom
Now watch the President's approval ratings go back up to where they were before!
30 posted on 01/15/2003 2:32:49 PM PST by Nea Wood (Lovin' it...)
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To: PhiKapMom
The gloves are off.
31 posted on 01/15/2003 2:33:50 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: PhiKapMom
I won't be either; don't want to lose my good spaghetti supper I'm fixing. All the alphabet goons will be out in force, have a good cry over those poor minorities, and have a media group "orgy" over it. Sick!

Bush is The Man! It's so refreshing to have a straight shootin' President.

32 posted on 01/15/2003 2:38:10 PM PST by Chong
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Quotas and similar programs are overwhelming opposed by Americans. Bush is doing the right thing morally and politcally.
33 posted on 01/15/2003 2:49:00 PM PST by MattAMiller
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To: Williams
"Bush had to balance the ideal of a non-racist color blind society, a concept which quotas run counter to, against the knowledge that democrats would use the President's opposition to sow racial discord in hopes of increasing African American votes for democrats." ??

I Like it! But, but, we can't go around telling the truth now, can we? :)
Rats kill me, they degrade/humiliate/push Blacks down in the mud, then they ever so generously offer their help and promises to protect them against those evil right wing "wackos."

34 posted on 01/15/2003 2:52:05 PM PST by Chong (The spin cycle on idiot tube will soon resume.........)
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To: Chong
dummy, they promise, not promises.
35 posted on 01/15/2003 2:56:23 PM PST by Chong
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To: hchutch; George W. Bush; Reagan Man
"he steps up to the plate"

When it really matters, he's there...MUD

36 posted on 01/15/2003 3:32:02 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Tonite...in the bar...LIVE MUD!!)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
"IMO, Bush cannot win on this one so he might as well take the lumps quietly"

Why can't he "win"? The vast majority of American citizens agree with him. Why wouldn't Americans respect Bush's courage and leadership?

37 posted on 01/15/2003 3:56:41 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: BarHopper
You're absolutely right! However, aren't females also considered a protected class under affirmative action? If so, then one has to define a term for those who think they should receive special treatment because fof their gender. Any ideas what that person might be called?? - femaleophobe? gendercist?
38 posted on 01/15/2003 4:07:47 PM PST by luvtheconstitution
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To: PhiKapMom
The politically charged issue forced the president to balance the desires of his conservative backers, who staunchly oppose affirmative action, against the potential reaction from the broader electorate if he is viewed as being racially insensitive.

Not so fast, Mr. Fournier. You've characterized the poles of this debate as being between "conservatives" and "the broader electorate." You have no evidence for that. If I characterize it as being between "liberals" and "the broader electorate," I am on as solid ground as you are.


39 posted on 01/15/2003 4:18:49 PM PST by Nick Danger (This tag is made of 100% recycled electrons)
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To: PhiKapMom; bdeaner; Williams; Chong; All
It’s hard not to admire how Linda Chavez exposed the following scandal:

http://www.ceousa.org/html/update/update.html

"A detailed, 50-page study released by the Center for Equal Opportunity
concludes that racial discrimination is widespread in Virginia law school
admissions. The report focuses on the three Virginia public law schools --
the University of Virginia, William & Mary, and George Mason University --
and reveals odds favoring black applicants as high as 731 to 1. To put it in
other terms: A student with an LSAT score of 160 and an undergraduate GPA of
3.25 had a 95 percent chance of admission into U.Va. if he or she was black,
but only a 3 percent chance of admission if white, Hispanic or Asian."


Here are some little known facts:

"After graduation recently, 2.5 million American seniors enrolled in either
a two-year or a four-year college. Almost a million did not. They were
overwhelmingly poor, male and white. Much to the surprise of social
scientists who traditionally have looked for educational problems among
minorities, low-income black and Hispanic men are more likely to go to
college right out of high school than white guys. So are young women of any
background, in fact."

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22619-2002Oct26.html









Can we refute the following?


Here's Why Affirmative Action Deserves to Survive
BY Professor KIM FORDE-MAZRUI (U.Va. School of Law)
Source: http://www.law.virginia.edu/home2002/pdf/Will_Affirm_Action_Survive.pdf


The last time the Supreme Court addressed whether schools of higher education may consider race in the admissions process, in Regents of the University of California v. Bakke (1978), the Court essentially said, “Sometimes, but not with quotas.” Most experts predict the Court will revisit the issue since the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit last month, in Grutter v. Bollinger, upheld Michigan Law School’s affirmative action policy. With seven new justices on the Court since Bakke, and several decisions that reveal a Court increasingly hostile to affirmative action, Grutter may well end affirmative action in higher education. That would be a mistake. Centuries of slavery followed by another century of legalized oppression created an underclass recognizable by race, which America should not now abandon.

LOOKING TO BAKKE Barbara Grutter challenged the practice at the University of Michigan Law School of considering the race of minority applicants, which Michigan defended as necessary to assemble a student body with diverse experiences and perspectives. The District Court held Michigan’s policy unconstitutional. The 6th Circuit reversed, relying on Bakke. Discerning the meaning of Bakke is complicated by its fractured nature. Bakke invalidated a state medical school’s policy of reserving a percentage of seats for racial minorities. Justice Lewis Powell Jr. concluded that the quota was unconstitutional, but that some attention to race was constitutional to achieve a diverse student body. Four justices joined Powell’s conclusion that the quota was invalid, while Justice William Brennan Jr., joined by three other justices, concurred with Powell that some attention to race was permissible. Thus one majority voted to invalidate the quota, while another voted to permit race as one of several admissions criteria. Further, only Powell endorsed the use of race to achieve diversity, while the other four justices approving the use of race cited remedying past societal discrimination as the appropriate justification. The 6th Circuit concluded that Powell’s opinion was controlling, and that if more recent cases call Bakke into question, it is for the Supreme Court to clarify.

DEVELOPING DOCTRINE The Court left unresolved in Bakke the standard of judicial scrutiny applicable to racially preferential affirmative action. But in City of Richmond v. J.A. Croson Co. (1989), the Court decided that state-sponsored racial preferences are subject to “strict scrutiny,” which means that such policies will be upheld only if they are “necessary” or “narrowly tailored” to further a “compelling” interest. The following year, in Metro Broadcasting Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission (1990), the Court held the federal government to a more lenient standard. But it held in Adarand Constructors v. Peña (1995) that federal affirmative action is also subject to strict scrutiny. As to what purposes are sufficiently “compelling” to justify racial preferences, the case law suggests there are at most two: remedying past discrimination and assembling a diverse group of people in certain contexts, such as educational settings. To remedy past discrimination, a state must identify with “particularity” the discrimination to be remedied, and design the preference to benefit only those persons who were discriminated against and only to the degree necessary to counteract the effect of the discrimination. The Court, since Bakke, has rejected preferences designed to compensate for the effects of unspecified historic or societal discrimination. Thus, in Croson, the Court held unconstitutional a city’s racial quota in awarding construc-

Will Affirmative Action Survive? Grutter v. Bollinger asks the Supreme Court. tion contracts because the policy failed to ensure adequately that the minority firms who benefited had been victims of identified discrimination in the local industry. With respect to whether diversity is sufficiently compelling, the signs are unfavorable. In support of diversity is Powell’s individual opinion in Bakke. What remains of his opinion will probably depend on Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, the swing vote in affirmative action cases. In Wygant v. Jackson Board of Education (1986), a case that preceded Croson, O’Connor cited with apparent approval Powell’s diversity reasoning in Bakke. Subsequently in Croson, however, O’Connor said that racial preferences should be limited to remedying specific discrimination, suggesting that diversity is insufficient. Also, although Metro Broadcasting upheld a racial diversity program, the four dissenting justices, including O’Connor, are now usually in the majority in affirmative action cases. O’Connor’s dissent in Metro Broadcasting thus suggests how the conservative majority would rule today. O’Connor criticized as stereotypical the assumption that racial diversity would contribute to broadcast diversity, and also criticized broadcast diversity as too vague a rationale to justify racial preferences. Similarly, in two other lines of cases, the Court, with O’Connor’s support, has rejected as stereotypical the assumption that race correlates with juror or voter perspective. Michigan denied that its affirmative action policy was intended to remedy past discrimination—most likely because it would have been effectively impossible for the school to design an affirmative action program with that goal. The Court’s requirement that past discrimination be identified with particularity would seem to require that a school identify the time, place and manner of past discrimination, and identify who, among its applicant pool, were victims of such discrimination, and how such discrimination impaired their ability to qualify for admission under race-neutral standards. Realistically, no school of higher education could meet this standard. The only plausible basis on which to justify Michigan’s policy is the one it relied on—to achieve a diverse student body. The problem the university faces is not whether intellectual diversity in an academic setting is important; the problem is in using racial diversity to achieve it. The Court’s skepticism about using race to predict other traits suggests it would reject as “stereotypical” the assumption that racial diversity correlates with intellectual diversity. Furthermore, even were the Court to accept a correlation between race and student perspective, the Court’s demand in other affirmative action cases for definite standards regarding the manner in which race is to be used suggests it would view diversity as unduly vague. The implications of the Court’s ultimate decision in Grutter are not limited to public colleges and universities. Private schools, which represent almost 60 percent of the four thousand institutions of higher education in the United States, may be just as legally vulnerable. Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits the same discrimination by all schools receiving federal funds as the Constitution prohibits by public schools. Accordingly, if the Court in Grutter holds unconstitutional Michigan’s racial preferences, then such preferences would also violate the Civil Rights Act when practiced by schools receiving federal funds. Since virtually all private schools depend on federal funding, Grutter could end racial preferences by all schools of higher education. Seeing the writing on the wall, several public colleges have turned to “alternative action,” policies designed to create racial diversity without racial preferences. Some, for example, are experimenting with “class-based” affirmative action in which weight is given to the socioeconomic background of applicants. Two difficulties face these efforts. First, despite their use of race-neutral criteria, such programs may be constitutionally vulnerable because of the race-conscious purpose motivating them. Equally problematic, economic- based preferences are unlikely to admit meaningful numbers of minority students because whites overwhelmingly dominate the pool of economically disadvantaged applicants who are adequately prepared for higher education, especially for the more competitive schools. Indeed, Michigan considered race-neutral alternatives, and rejected them because of their ineffectiveness in achieving racial diversity.

GETTING BEYOND RACE? Grutter presents the Court with a choice: whether to mandate complete colorblindness or, alternatively, to preserve some discretion in schools to create educational environments as diverse as the society their graduates will serve. Racial preferences are certainly regrettable, and America’s history demonstrates how race may be used to oppress. The tragic consequences of that history persist, however, in the stark disparities between racial groups. The average black child born today is exceedingly more likely than the average white child to be raised in poverty, in a broken family, in a community marked by substance abuse, violent crime, and poor quality schools. Unless we assume that along with darker skin a child of color biologically inherits a propensity to fail, to commit crime, or to die a violent death, we should recognize that these conditions result from generations of injustice whose effects will take effort and time to overcome. To ignore racial differences in the name of colorblindness is to guarantee their perpetuation. The day when race no longer matters will not arrive until we take active measures —affirmative action—to provide opportunities for minorities to educate themselves. If the Court decides to revisit Bakke, it would do well to recall the late Justice Harry Blackmun’s admonition in that case: “In order to get beyond racism, we must first take account of race. There is no other way. And in order to treat some persons equally, we must treat them differently. We cannot—we dare not—let the Equal Protection Clause perpetuate racial supremacy.”

Author Kim Forde-Mazrui is professor of law and Barron F. Black Research Professor at the University of Virginia. He teaches and writes about race and constitutional law, and is the author of “The Constitutional Implications of Race-Neutral Affirmative Action,” Georgetown Law Journal (2000). He is a former employee of the University of Michigan, where he also received his undergraduate and law degrees.
40 posted on 01/15/2003 4:21:07 PM PST by End The Hypocrisy
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