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Saddam and al Qaeda the link we've all missed
David Rose | December 9, 2002 | David Rose

Posted on 01/14/2003 10:05:20 AM PST by Wallaby

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Awareness of this failure, and its possible consequences for individuals' careers, are the only reasons I can find for the wall of spin which the spooks have fed to the media almost ever since.
For those with an interest in protecting reputations of those previously in power, this explanation works. But it doesn't explain why those without that interest would go along. David Rose should consider this exchange reported in Woodward's Bush at War, p. 167 (citation from FR poster, The Great Satan):
"I'm not going to talk about a state sponsor [of anthrax letters]," Tenet assured them.

"It's good that we don't," said Cheney, "because we're not ready to do anything about it."


1 posted on 01/14/2003 10:05:20 AM PST by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby
"It's good that we don't," said Cheney, "because we're not ready to do anything about it."

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. This makes sense. But of course, the press will tar Bush as being soft on terrorrism.

2 posted on 01/14/2003 10:17:17 AM PST by InspiredPath1
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To: InspiredPath1
We are ALMOST ready to do something about it now.
3 posted on 01/14/2003 10:21:08 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
think about it, Bush has known for sometime of Saddam's involvement,
and right when the bombs start dropping he will let everyone know the truth.
Then all those leftist will crap their shorts because they were against a war with Iraq.
Just my thoughts on the issue,

Hey Saddam the bombing starts in two weeks.
4 posted on 01/14/2003 10:30:28 AM PST by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: Wallaby
Is it possible that the officialy expressed lack of certainty about the connection, along with the similar "fog" surrounding the actual existence of WMD's in Iraq, is a strategic move on the part of Western allies to encourage Saddam that there is still hope for him?

I can't imagine that the military buildup would be continuing apace without such certainty; and it's easy for me to imagine that a Saddam without hope would destroy himself, his country, and as many other people as he could touch with his suicidal swan-song.

Allowing for the positioning of the military while Saddam wonders if he can yet again delay his inevitable downfall, the public uncertainty serves the purposes of the good guys. I think that when all is ready, the naked truth will be made known to a doubting Western public.

5 posted on 01/14/2003 10:32:04 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Wallaby
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

What would be shocking to me is if Saddam and Al Qaeda were not cooperating.

6 posted on 01/14/2003 10:34:36 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Anyone suggesting Iraq was involved in WTC I, WTC II-9/11, or the Anthrax letters (we won't even get near OKC or Flight FILLINTHENUMBERS) will immediately be labelled a KOOK. All respectible media reports prove otherwise. Case closed. The Iraq Adventure is Bush's highly risky and political attempt to stay in power after stealing the White House, yada, yada, yada...

If Iraq WERE shown to be guilty of collusion to directly attack American interests (Anthrax Anthrax Anthrax...) then that would mean - gosh - Bush, Cheney, and (ohmygod) Rumsfeld were Right! That would be UnAcceptable. At least at the NYT/WP/CNN/Etc.
7 posted on 01/14/2003 10:34:47 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>ALMOST ready


Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

ANTHRAX: DoD contract awarded to develop immunostimulatory oligos to enhance vaccines
Bio-Terrorism.Info
EXPANDED REPORTING; Pg. 4
January 13, 2003


Coley Pharmaceutical Group announced that the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has awarded $6MM to Coley to support the development of Coley's CpG immunostimulatory oligonucleotides (oligos) to enhance anthrax vaccines.

"This contract builds on our preclinical data showing that CpG oligos protect mice against a broad range of pathogens, including anthrax, as well as our human clinical data showing enhancement of the Engerix-B Hepatitis B vaccine when combined with our immunostimulatory oligos," said Robert L. Bratzler, PhD, Coley president and CEO. "The DARPA contract and other development agreements with our partners, including Aventis and GlaxoSmithKline, give Coley the opportunity to realize the full potential of its immunostimulatory oligos to prevent or treat a broad range of diseases." The current anthrax vaccine requires six doses and 18 months to produce immunity. Coley's CpG oligos, used together with vaccines, have the potential to reduce the number of vaccine doses, induce protective antibody levels more quickly, produce higher affinity antibodies directed against a broader range of anthrax antigens, and to improve duration of protection.

This research at Coley stems from a grant awarded in 1999 to Arthur Krieg, MD, then a professor of Internal Medicine at the University of Iowa, a Coley founder and currently the company's Chief Scientific Officer. Commenting on this new contract, Krieg said, "I am delighted that our progress since we began this program in 1999 has been so rapid, and that DARPA has selected this program to transition from the preclinical phase to the clinical phase as a high priority."

Coley has specifically optimized CpG 10103, a B Class oligo for vaccine applications. CpG 10103, acting through the TLR9 receptor present in B-cells and plasmacytoid dendritic cells, potently stimulates human B-cell proliferation, enhances antigen-specific antibody production and induces Interferon-alpha production, Interleukin-10 secretion, and Natural Killer Cell (NK cell) activity. These broad immunostimulatory actions are required to improve the immune response to vaccines.


Almost 60% of subjects given the vaccine together with CpG 7909 had protective antibody levels within just 2 weeks of the first dose, and 100% of subjects receiving CpG 7909 did within 6 weeks.
CpG 7909, Coley's lead drug candidate, is also a B Class oligo. CpG 7909 significantly increased antibody responses when administered to normal human volunteers in combination with Engerix-B, GlaxoSmithKline's marketed prophylactic Hepatitis B vaccine.

The approved dosing of Engerix-B requires three vaccinations over 6 months but fails to induce protective antibody levels in 5-10% of normal healthy individuals. In a clinical study conducted by Coley in normal healthy volunteers, individuals given the Engerix-B vaccine (without CpG 7909) rarely had any detectable antibody response within 2 weeks of the first vaccine dose, but almost 60% of subjects given the vaccine together with CpG 7909 had protective antibody levels within just 2 weeks of the first dose, and 100% of subjects receiving CpG 7909 did within 6 weeks.

This article was prepared by Bio-Terrorism.Info editors from staff and other reports.

http://www.NewsRx.net


8 posted on 01/14/2003 10:42:07 AM PST by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby
This thread should be generating a lot more notes.

Perhaps people don't want to consider the fact that Bush Sr. sparked Saddam's enmity by stumbling into a war that could have been averted. Saddam was a de facto ally prior to 1990. Since 1991, he has been a great source of mischief and death for Americans.

And you can thank Bush Sr. for that.

Think back. Saddam attacked Iran in 1980 and siezed some of the oil refineries right across the border. He --thought-- the Iranians, racked by revolution, were an easy target. He was wrong. Eight years and as many as 500,000 KIA later, the war ended.

Remember this: The Reagan administration supported BOTH sides in this war. We gave Iraq satelite intelligence at least, and we, as is known, provided Iran with TOW anti-tank missiles, helicopter parts and other aid. Now, while we were helping Iraq fight off their their deadly and militant enemy, was Saddam attacking U.S. targets? I don't remember that, do you? The war ended in 1988 in a stalemate. Do you recall any attacks on U.S. interests by Iraq in 1988, 89 or 1990? I don't.

Walt

9 posted on 01/14/2003 11:00:32 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: dasboot
> I think that when all is ready, the naked truth will be made known to a doubting Western public.

That is my wish too, but in the back of my mind is the dreadful warning that we must be careful what we hope for.

10 posted on 01/14/2003 11:02:56 AM PST by Wallaby
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To: WhiskeyPapa
>Do you recall any attacks on U.S. interests by Iraq in 1988, 89 or 1990?

I can recall an attack on August 2, 1990.

11 posted on 01/14/2003 11:07:06 AM PST by Wallaby
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To: vin-one
Yes, right half way through the State of the Union Speech he will announce that So-Damn-Insane-Who-Sane is be Bombed and the reason why.
12 posted on 01/14/2003 11:08:48 AM PST by Slipjack
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"Do you recall any attacks on U.S. interests by Iraq in 1988, 89 or 1990? I don't."

Could the reason for this be that he did not have the resources available to cause mischief? After all he had just fought a very resource/manpower intensive 8 year war.

Sometimes one just has to finish their thought processes to find the answers.


13 posted on 01/14/2003 11:12:58 AM PST by sinclair (You need pay no attention to the voices in my head. They speak only to me.)
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To: Wallaby
You should check out the following lawsuit on Find Law

Ashton, et al. v. al Qaeda, et al.: Complaint (PDF) Lawsuit claiming a 9/11 link between Iraq and al Qaeda. Sept. 3, 2002

The file is in slow loading .pdf format, but it is an interesting read.

14 posted on 01/14/2003 11:13:22 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: aristeides; Travis McGee; Blueflag; VaBthang4; TrueBeliever9; RnMomof7; fortheDeclaration; ...
Ping to an extremely important (IMO) "War on Terror" article .

16 posted on 01/14/2003 11:21:53 AM PST by xzins
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To: Wallaby
The same year, Abdul Rahman Yasin mixed and made the truck bomb which wrought destruction and killed six in the first New York World Trade Center attack - then coolly boarded a plane for Baghdad, where he still resides.

The US should publicly ask/demand the extradition from Iraq of Abdul Rahman Yasin. That would certainly put the WTC bombing and a link to Saddam in the minds of the public.

17 posted on 01/14/2003 11:22:22 AM PST by Balata (FR Rocks! :-))
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To: rabidone
This idea is nonsense and has been roundly refuted. Saddam is a secularist...

I just read the other day that there is now a Koran written in Saddam's blood (donated over a period of years). I think he may be trying to find allies. I think people on FR don't want to find fault with the Bushes.

Walt

18 posted on 01/14/2003 11:35:05 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: sinclair
"Do you recall any attacks on U.S. interests by Iraq in 1988, 89 or 1990? I don't."

Could the reason for this be that he did not have the resources available to cause mischief? After all he had just fought a very resource/manpower intensive 8 year war.

Sometimes one just has to finish their thought processes to find the answers.

I don't think your thought process is quite complete.

Saddam was our de facto ally from 1980-1990. In 1993, he is trying to kill the president that humiliated him.

Was his military stronger in 1993 than 1989? No. There's more to it than you would allow.

Walt

19 posted on 01/14/2003 11:39:26 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Hence the use of surrogates...
20 posted on 01/14/2003 11:44:32 AM PST by carton253
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