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Low Down and Dirty with Dogs: Practical Techniques for Curbing Dangerous Dogs
Doing Freedom! ^ | Remingtonius

Posted on 01/11/2003 8:05:26 PM PST by Kevin Curry

This article is written for anyone who may find themselves confronted by a dangerous dog, be it wild, civilian owned, or a military/police pooch. These techniques work! But don't use them unless you have to. Laws presently favor humans over dogs. Little sympathy is currently given to dog owners who allow or let their dogs run loose to terrorize motorists, pedestrians or other dogs. However, in our sue-happy world even defending yourself may cause you legal trouble from an enraged dog owner. Furthermore, dimwitted animal rights fanatics are persuading some cities, towns, and states to pass laws that give animals almost as much legal protection as humans. Check the laws in your area! My advice to those forced to destroy dogs using the methods below is to remain as anonymous as the situation will allow.

Dogs can attack or menace you because of a number of factors. They are either trained to be mean to you, they are sick/nuts, or you are invading their turf. In the case of trained dogs, some are trained to "pin" you in the area where they find you, while others are trained to simply chomp your butt. Nature and breeding has lent Dobermans and Border Collies (and mixes thereof) to being pinners. They’ll let you into an area but won't let you out. Shepherds, Rottweilers, "Pit" Bull Mastiffs and the like will usually try to bite you and hold on. Sick/nutty dogs are uncategorizable, as are dogs whose turf is invaded. Under these circumstances even the smallest Yorkshire Terrier will think it's Cujo.

Evolution has made most dogs’ skeletal systems a suit of armor and they have a high threshold for pain. Whichever defense method is decided upon, explosively violent physical effort must be used, and you must be prepared to keep it up until the dog is seriously injured or dead. Note that the dog is far less dangerous if allowed to make contact on its first charge. If it falls off or is merely deterred, it will be more cautious and alert. Throughout their life, viciously aggressive dogs have been allowed to succeed. Such pre-programmed confidence emboldens the dog to overcome obstacles. Give it the chance to "win" by seeming to allow it to bite and grab you, then destroy it.

If the situation allows it, try to run away from an aggressive dog if you can--although this can sometimes further aggravate pinning dogs. Try yelling at the dog in an authoritative voice, using lots of eye contact. This may work on dogs that are "all bark and no bite", but will only enrage a truly gnarly junkyard-type dog.

When menaced by a vicious dog that tries to herd you by encirclement, immediately shoot it at least twice in the neck with a large caliber (.40 caliber and up) handgun. Be ready to follow up with additional shots as required. If a dog is barking, snapping, and inching closer to you, shoot straight down its throat. Allowing the dog to bite the end of your pistol would be ideal, but if using a semi-auto, care must be taken that this does not move the slide back, causing the gun to go "out of battery" and failing to fire.

Hmmmm. Have the socialist do-gooders in your area taken away your ability to defend yourself with a firearm? Here’s an alternative for you. First, pad the lower part of your weak arm using a belt, scarf, or coat. Allow the dog to clamp on to this area of padding. Then try shoving a long knife or sharpened stake under the dog's lower ribcage up into its lungs, aiming from rear to front. Or, stick your thumb and middle fingers deep into its eye sockets the way you would pick up a 10-pin bowling ball. Blind the dog.

Next to a firearm, the following method is the most effective if it’s available. Pad as above. Run towards the nearest swimming pool, pond, river or ditch that has water above your groin, or is at least slightly deeper than the dog is tall. The water must not be dangerously swift or above your chest--you must be able to stand on the bottom while the dog must be obliged to swim. Allow the dog to grip the padding. Jump into the water and force the dog's head under until it drowns. Under no circumstance should you let the dog go! If it releases its grip, grab it by the collar or scruff of the neck and continue holding its head under water. If the dog is allowed to get to shore it will hold you captive in the water.

Another move, called the "wishbone" or "crucifix", is useful if you’re rescuing somebody from an attack. It goes as follows: get into a position where you are standing with the dog between your legs as if you were going to ride it like a small pony. Quickly reach down and grab its two front paws and pull them out and away from its body while simultaneously driving one of your knees (or your chest) onto the dog's back at the shoulder. This should dislocate one or possibly both of its front legs. This same move can be applied from the front of the animal. However, doing so will bring the dog's face closer to yours, possibly allowing it to bite your face.

Remember; self-defense is not just a right. It is an instinct.


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To: holyscroller
Yep, sounds like the iron cross :)
21 posted on 01/11/2003 10:05:38 PM PST by krogers58
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To: holyscroller; Kevin Curry; D-fendr; Cultural Jihad; umgud; Slainte; APBaer; hometoroost; ...
He somehow made a quick move, and he ran one way, and the lion took off at warp speed in the opposite direction.

Ever been outside a sorority house, oh, about 5am on a Sunday?

Seriously tho, I spent a summer doing grounds work at a camp in Indiana. One of the guys who worked for me lived nearby ( couple of miles away) and was a cross-country runner. Each day he'd run to work across the farm fields and meadows.

One day he didn't show up.

The next day he did show up, covered head to toe in scratches. Come to find out he'd been set upon by a pack of feral dogs.

Wearing only shorts and a TShirt, he was quite vulnerable, and did his best to hold them off.

But Kent was a resourceful kid if nothing else.

He grabbed the smallest of the dogs and started beating the others with it until they gave up.

I had a hard time believing it until, driving him home, we stopped and he showed me what was left of the small dog....

22 posted on 01/11/2003 10:09:49 PM PST by IncPen ( God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly)
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To: D. Miles
Actually, the simplest and single most effective means I've used to deter a dog attack is to raise my hand high as if I'm about to throw a rock at the animal. It helps to actually have a rock and to try to peg the beast. But I have found that even the gesture will stop most dogs in their tracks.

Despite the title to this thread, and the fact that I posted it, I have never actually killed a dog. But under the right circumstances--faced with a direct threat--I wouldn't hesitate even three seconds.

23 posted on 01/11/2003 10:12:16 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
I've read that when a dog leaps at your throat, its front legs will be extended for balance, and the thing to do is grab one leg and wrench it hard enough to break it, while leaning to the side. What I plan to do is either introduce some hot jacketed lead into its febrile brain, or deploy my one-hand-openable knife, slash one eye, slash the other eye, and then slash the beast's throat.
24 posted on 01/11/2003 10:28:15 PM PST by 185JHP ("I was neat, clean, shaved, sober, and FReeping!")
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To: Patriot28
I saw pepper spray used on a kodiak bear by an MP while I was stationed in Alaska

LOL...I took a break a hour ago and warched TV as I snacked in the kitchen. I was watching that young Aussie (?) traveler on PBS and a resident of Alaska told him to carry pepper spray for bears.

25 posted on 01/11/2003 10:32:15 PM PST by tubebender
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To: Kevin Curry

Geologists friend, the "canine cruncher" :)

26 posted on 01/11/2003 10:51:09 PM PST by Axenolith (Nice doggy, nice doggy...)
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This past summer I was chased by 2 pit bulls while jogging. I started screaming at them while backing away. When I was at a safe distance I called the police.

The 2 dogs charged the first Va Beach Officer to show up.
His 9mm stopped them pretty quick!

Havn't seen the dogs since.
27 posted on 01/11/2003 10:56:16 PM PST by fjsva
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To: Kevin Curry
When I was in college, I was walking along the sidewalk with four friends. We were walking past a darkened house with a medium-sized yard. The yard was about two or three feet above the level of the sidewalk with a slight slope down to the sidewalk.

With no warning, a black dog that looked something like a doberman appeared about ten or fifteen feet away barking and snarling. I remember seeing little except teeth. My friends all jumped a little, and I realized I was the closest to the dog and the slowest in the group.

In an instant, I remembered a story of a rancher who thwarted a mountain lion attack with an angry growl just as the lion approached. I turned toward the dog in an instant, raised one hand with a fist, and made a louder growl than the dog had.

At that moment, two things happened. First, my friends jumped higher and further than they did when the dog first appeared. Second, the dog threw all four feet forward and skidded to a stop. It was yelping piteously and running for the house even before it completely stopped. When my friends could breathe normally again, none of us could stop laughing.

Needless to say, I didn't live that one down for a while.

WFTR
Bill

28 posted on 01/12/2003 12:21:16 AM PST by WFTR
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To: Kevin Curry
"I love my own dogs."

We're celebrating the first birthday of our latest pup, another Newfoundland, next week with a cake and inviting all the neighborhood kids over for the party. MISSY (short for Miss America) just loves kids! Later on in a year or so we'll get another of the same breed and she'll be named LIBBY (short for MISS LIBERTY).

We lost our last dog (another newfie) last Valentines day. She lasted almost 13 yrs which is rather amazing for such a large breed dog. When we first got her from the breeder and brought her home, we went for a tour of the neighborhood with my wife. As usual, I took my .45 Gov't model and slipped it into an IWB holster....a Milts Sparks "Summer Special" and slipped on a loose shirt. We got several blocks away from our home and discovered a man outside his home. The yard had a short little wall running around it and the rather HUGE Rottweiler dog was snarling his displeasure at our presence and especially at our fluffy little pup who got quite scared as did my wife.

The smug bastard just stood beside his monster and snickered at our fear. I remarked that I sure hoped the dog didn't "get loose and attack my family" and the bozo just grinned more and said something like....
"Yeah? What're YOU gonna do?"
I replied that first I'd put a 230 gr .45 slug into the dog's brain and then I'd sue him for having a mean attack dog in a city where it's against the law to own such an animal.
HE FROZE and fairly screamed "REX!!!! GET INSIDE!!!" and then he too scampers in the house. I sent my wife and pup home while I covered their rear all the way, in case the dog we encountered should somehow slip out of the house and follow our scent.

I have also run into feral dogs while out hunting. Those I shoot out of hand because they form packs which will attack other dogs, or children. They can be deadly.

29 posted on 01/12/2003 12:22:41 AM PST by ExSoldier
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To: Aliska
I don't see why dogs are allowed to run loose, especially large ones. I was walking our Sheltie on a leash when two large dogs came up. I was not worried about one at a time, but two could really pin us down. The dogs looked alert, so we slowly went another way. It was very early in the morning and not anywhere near a swimming pool.
30 posted on 01/12/2003 12:44:41 AM PST by Chemnitz (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn)
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To: Kevin Curry
Properly trained dogs do not attack humans without a specific command.

A dogs mentality is a reflection of their humands mind.

Untrained they attack out of fear...

Same as a bear attack - go down and cover your neck with your hands keeping your belly to the ground in a semi fetal position - if you don't have a weapon with you :-)

Or drop what you are eating at the time -- the list goes on...


31 posted on 01/12/2003 1:24:29 AM PST by Bobibutu
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To: ExSoldier
"I have also run into feral dogs while out hunting. Those I shoot out of hand because they form packs which will attack other dogs, or children. They can be deadly. "

I have run into them as well. As much as it pains me to shoot a dog, it is the best method for dealing with wild packs. I grew up about 25 miles south of St Louis. I guess that is the ideal distance to drive from the city and turn your pet loose because you don't want him anymore. These dogs quickly form packs and are absolutely ravenous. I remember a pack attacked a two-year-old girl in her yard around Kirkwood and killed her and ate at least part of her.

32 posted on 01/12/2003 2:05:57 AM PST by Movemout
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To: Patriot28
I guess pepper spray would work just fine. Years ago when I would bike around the country roads I had a plastic bottle punp sprayer filled with ammonia attached to the handlebars with a big rubber band. A little dose to the face dissuaded dogs of any size to retreat in some amount of pain. It is preferable to killing them. Most dogs that were aggressive were just doing what comes natural, protecting the homeland.
33 posted on 01/12/2003 2:17:26 AM PST by Movemout
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To: Kevin Curry
Aaaah... no dog ever posed a threat to me. Except once.

A great dane. The bitch acted like she wanted me for dinner.

Few dogs attack unless trained to do so.

34 posted on 01/12/2003 2:33:12 AM PST by johnny7 (Nice doggie...)
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To: Kevin Curry
Do this to one of your JBT dog's and you've got real trouble on your hand's, the JBT will act as if you b!tch slapped his woman! Hmmmm, maybe you did? Blackbird.
35 posted on 01/12/2003 2:35:03 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Kevin Curry
Do this to one of your JBT dog's and you've got real trouble on your hand's, the JBT will act as if you b!tch slapped his woman! Hmmmm, maybe you did? Blackbird.
36 posted on 01/12/2003 2:35:34 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Aliska
A German Shepherd snapped my face when I was 6 years old. He was a dog that ran into my driveway just as I put an Oreo cookie in my mouth. He tried to get the cookie.

I have been terrified of big dogs since. They seem to know this and I am the first person they run up to.

My big problem is going to the beach in the off season. Many beaches allow dogs on the beach in the off season so long as the dogs are LEASHED.

Of course, the beach is uncrowded and people allow their big dogs to roam free---which means these dogs very often come running at me in a very scary way. The dopey owners are about a half-mile away yelling, "He won't hurt you! He's okay!"

I HATE THIS. I am seriously afraid of any big dog running toward me.

One time I was sitting in a chair on the beach with my eyes closed. Next thing I know some huge black dog is jumping on me.

My husband had gone back to the car to get something. When I told him what happened . . . well, it's a good thing the dog and braindead owners had moved on.

Will bending down to pick up a rock or something, as suggested, help if a dog is tearing toward you at mach speed across an open beach?

I know, it's not legal for these dogs to be unleashed, but they always are. Also, it's true they usually are not dangerous dogs per se, but I don't want a strange dog running at me and especially not jumping on me.

The owners have no shame. They usually don't even say that they are sorry.
37 posted on 01/12/2003 4:34:48 AM PST by fightinJAG
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To: Patriot28
What's the range on your typical pepper sprayer?
38 posted on 01/12/2003 4:37:01 AM PST by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG
It's pretty easy to get hit by some pepper spray yourself, when you're trying to use it in self-defense...
39 posted on 01/12/2003 4:41:36 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: fjsva
Va Beach seems to be bad for big, dangerous dogs.

This is one of the beaches we go to in the winter. But so many people allow their bad dogs to run free on the beach that we are about to find a new getaway spot.

I saw one Doberman that was absolutely unrestrainable by the owner. The dog was pulling on his leash so hard he was pulling his big fat owner through the sand. Then he would jump up in the air, barking, very menancing. So what did owner do? Go down on the beach (where I am quietly trying to enjoy the surf) AND TAKE THE DOG OFF THE LEASH, where of course the dog went beserk and began to charge people, etc.

I was terrified.

The dumb owner is plodding along laughing. "Oh, he won't hurt nobody."
40 posted on 01/12/2003 4:42:44 AM PST by fightinJAG
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