Posted on 01/10/2003 1:47:01 PM PST by hsmomx3
TUCSON, Ariz. - Economic aid targeted to 50 regions in just six Mexican states could cut illegal immigration to the United States in half, a Mexican congressman said Thursday.
Eduardo Arnal Palomera, one of four lawmakers from Mexico on a three-day trip to Tucson to meet with local, state, federal and Indian officials, said American contribution toward Mexico's economic development would be mutually beneficial in helping solve his country's illegal immigration.
Lack of jobs and economic desperation is what drives hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to cross the border illegally every year seeking jobs here, according to Arnal Palomera.
He said the situation is most difficult in the states of Oaxaca, Zacatecas, Puebla, Guanajuato, Guerrero and Chiapas.
"It's cheapest for the United States to help Mexico to grow" by stimulating jobs and industry there than to continue to pay for "security, helicopters, Border Patrol, fences, walls," Arnal Palomera said.
He said he planned to deliver the same message during a scheduled meeting Friday with southern Arizona Reps. Jim Kolbe and Raul Grijalva.
The delegation met with Gov. Janet Napolitano for nearly a half-hour behind closed doors to discuss illegal immigration-related issues, including efforts of private groups patrolling the Arizona border.
Congressman Tarcisio Navarrette Montes de Oca, who headed the delegation, said the group proposed creating a binational working group of state, local and federal officials "to study, analyze and propose an urgent solution" to soaring deaths of Mexican migrants trying to cross the Arizona desert.
A record 145 illegal immigrants died during the past fiscal year, including 83 of heat exposure.
Arnal Palomera said he and his colleagues were concerned that ranchers and groups organizing patrols along the Arizona border have weapons and could cause a confrontation with illegal immigrants leading to violence.
Navarrette Montes said he hopes "to find a win-win solution for both countries and promote protection for human rights and we are open to promote commercial and economic exchange."
The group also met with Tucson Mayor Bob Walkup and the Tucson-Mexico Trade Office to develop new ways for improving trade activities - including improved rail connections.
©Santa Fe New Mexican 2003
We've gone broke already trying to support the legal and illegal Mexicans that are here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a $6 trillion dollar plus federal National Debt and $28 trillion dollars more in state, local and individual debt makes us the definition of broke.
While I agree on the Visas, I do not on the Border part, remember a sniper incident in DC/MD/VA not too long ago? While he may not have come across the Southern border, he also did not come here on a Visa. And while we do not know how many terrorists have come across our Southern borders we do know that some have. So your "yet" statement is true in a sense but its more of a when not if.
It is not possible to capture all of them.
Agreed, however should we not try just because the task seems too daunting? Cut off their lifeblood, no Taxpayer services for anyone here illegally, in fact anyone here illegally should never have the rights of an American Citizen. Start jailing employers who knowingly hire illegals, no we may not be able to prove it right away but I would be willing to bet employers will stop hiring them when they think they could get Jail time, or spend what they saved and more, fighting a lawsuit in court. that and being labeled anti-American. Although in my mind they are Anti-American and Pro-Greed.
"The point is that activity at the ballot box proves that about the only blanket statement you can make about most Americans is that they don't give a crap.
Illegal immigration really wasn't a major issue this election cycle,most people(non-liberals and people who do not suck on the government teet) were worried about ousting the POS dims and their ilk. The rest(libs and "Give-me" types) did not bother to vote because they figured the Dims would win.However I will take a standing bet with you that by the end of 2004 illegal immigration will be paramount in most Americans minds.
You got it!!! BTW do you know who/whom still controls Pemex? Dont say the Mexican government(They do but only to a "small" point.) because its still being held by the same people as before.
Can we send it in the form of bullets, artillery shells, and JDAMs? Only way to really reform Mexico is to conquer it, and put it under US trusteeship for a couple of decades.
Texas and California sure have, so has NY, with the rest sure to follow. And unbelieveably there are still voices calling for open borders and sending more of our money southward.
Based on what evidence that it would work? This is not a scientific experiment here.
Based on what happens when we give aid to 3rd world governments, corrupt politicians steal it all and virtually none goes to the people. So if we did this, past experience would indicate that corrupt Mexican politicians would steal it, and we would still have massive illegal immigration.
An even better idea would be to capture Mexico, make it a US state or territory, and install our more efficient and productive form of government corruption. After all, we do have the best government money can buy.
Only someone with money already can afford to pay what the 'Coyotes' charge.
You know, you lack vision. What are borders, anyway? Just lines on some map. Why not just make every living human in the hemisphere a U.S. citizen? Then they can collect their welfare checks without the arduous journey to el Norte.
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Put ME in charge of immigration and borders and I can stop 90% of illegal immigration in less than a year. Provisos:
(1) When I say "in charge" I mean IN CHARGE.
(2) My methods will be stringent and not entirely "nice". However they would be highly effective.
We "cannot" control immigration because we simply lack the will and guts to do so.
--Boris
Actually it is not at all difficult "find out" and to prove in court. I submit Exhibit 'A' - The Immigration Service's I-9 form. Every employer is required by law to have their employees submit a properly filled out I-9 in order to be eligible for employment. This document requires the applicant to supply documents to prove that they are permitted by the FedGov to work in this nation.
All it takes is for an INS agent to visit businesses that traditionally employ illegal aliens and simply demand to see the I-9's which must be on file and available. For every employee that does not have an I-9, the employer is fined. The INS agent then simply takes the remaining documents back to the office and performs whatever verification process that reveals the fraudulent from the honest. Those whose forms are not in compliance are brought to the employer's attention, and a match-up of forms to employee is made. For each hit, yet another fine is levied on the employer, and the employee can then be interviewed to see if that person is legal.
The procedure is rather simple, and in fact was implemented as part of a sting operation against some slaughterhouses in the north. The INS team was very successful in identifying the illegal workers and began to do what the INS, by law, is charged to do. That is when the complaints rolled in to congress, a few phone calls were made and the INS agent who came up with idea was reprimanded. Apparently the honest US citizen and legal alien must be forced to fill out an I-9 and supply the identification documents in order to be able to work in this allegedly "free" country, but the illegals and their benefactors are able to ignore this law and protect the privacy of the invaders.
So, my dear Pollyanna, the influx of criminals from all over the world will remain unabated because too many employers have discovered that illegal aliens don't complain to the authorities about working conditions or whether they are receiving minimum wage. Think about it next time you elect some jackal that promises to raise benefits and wages by force through the police powers of the state. What that congress critter is really saying is that they intend to increase the attractiveness of employing foreign labor.
This is a pay off to the VERY angry Fox and his crew that expect open borders and lots of $$ coming their way by now..
As mentioned, the best idea given yet is to deduct every penny of any kind of aid given to illegals in the US from the Foreign Aid given to Mexico, and you'd have the Mexican government scouring the US to get them all out.
Bingo..then you have guys like the idiot on OReilly that is still talking about jobs that the 30 % of unemployed/underemployed Americans will not do...I wonder what world he lives in...other than agriculture they offer nothing to this economy
Guidance from us?</p?
What? Guidance to expand the porn industry, increase lawsuits, rely on the lottery, progessive taxes, failing schools? The united States is well on its way of decline because we the people keep acting in a way that is consistant with crumbling empires.
If there was a way to meld the immigrant work ethic with the education/intellect of the previous US generation, then perhaps so. But when I see the native doofuses here with their hats on backwards and their pants around the knees talking in broken english about the next X-box game, or women who are only concerned about People magazine, mascara and their flow, or the typical American "worker" who shows the greatest interest in the punch-clock, or the senior citizen who demands that every generation owes them every luxury in life, I am trying to figure out what this alleged "guidance" is, and who around here is qualified to dispense it.
Can't round them up... Then why do illegal aliens represent over 25% of the US prison population? Somebody must have figured out a way to round them up. I know, we can wait for them to commit yet another crime (other than being here illegally which really isn't illegal now).
We do have welfare offices that can do some rounding up, even have hospitals that would do it if we put a bounty on their heads - that would make it attractive to the hospitals to defray some of their otherwise unremunerated costs. Heck, the school system could even assist in rounding them up. But then again, the schools make money off of illegals because head counts are head counts.
This method may not catch all of the illegals, but it would do a whiz-bang job of identifying those who come here to exploit the US taxpayer - and who, but the most ardent America hater is against that?
Though I do admire your defeatism in that you throw up the white flag faster than a Frenchman. And your sophism that since the electorate hasn't satisfied you that the problem isn't serious enough to merit draconian measures so therefore the problem doesn't even exist at all, interesting.
Sounds like you have a dog in this hunt.
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