A Few of FR's Finest....Every Day....1-08-03....It's A Baby, Not A Choice

Billie and daisyscarlett

[Mixer]

Hey Daisy.....

Yeah I will miss mine after this weekend as well. My wife and I discussed the possibility of leaving the tree up until Valentines Day and then decorating it with hearts ; )


LOL

[Mixer]

dansy..... I am here, it's just that I am not reading all of the thread due to time restraints. I am checking for replies though so thanks for doing do.

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[Aquamarine]

Billie you're welcome to that photo. It's in my storage. I reduced the size of it by about half...it's huge!

[ST.LOUIE1]

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Ahhhhhh....my little Dansy is here. : )

I missed you yesterday! Your "homework" is to go back and read yesterday's thread! LOL!!!

LOL I did, and I owe you a huge AhhhhRooooo! : )

Hope you are having a great week! :-)

Sure am, thanks, how about you? : )

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Bet you are now. LOL

[ST.LOUIE1]

I'm drooling here at the thought of Clarence Thomas or Anthony Scalia as Chief Justice....

That makes two of us. Wow!

[MHGinTN]

May I take advantage of this FR honor to address your thoughtful post?...
This is an issue where I can really see why both sides feel so passionately. ... I've never been able to be an activist about it because I've just never been certain in certain cases like those shadow areas of rape victims etc -- what I call "tough cases." ... Seems like the whole world has a clear view on the tough cases such as rape or incest except me. My church certainly does. ... It made me wonder: I wonder how long it will be until there is social consensus on this issue. Will it ever happen? In my lifetime? In your grandchildren's? What do you think? 46 posted by FreeTheHostages It has taken decades to reach the point where we regularly kill 1.3 million of our own posterity each year! The rejection of that trend will take time.

I do so value your honesty on these 'tough' cases; if the vast majority of our fellow Americans were so honest and daring of heart to address these points, the largest number of abortions would be avoided and literally millions of newly conceived individual human beings would join us in citizenship. And therein is a tale, the welcoming of life, regardless of the odds stacked against a little one.

Paul Harvey did a piece on the following story; I'll try to paraphrase as best I can, from faint memory. [Feel free to add details, folks, I don't have perfect recall.] What would today's doctors advise a pregnant woman suffering with a 'sexually transmitted disease', a history of miscarriages and two less than healthy previous children, and poverty in the household with eight(?) siblings for the preborn she carries?... Kill the unfortunate unborn child, in most cases today. Is that to avoid suffering for the child, improve the family setting, or avoid responsibility for the society at large in which this 'loser' child will dwell? Beethoven's mother gave life support to him as such a child ... his odds for birth were better than a preborn of today. Sometimes I wonder whether our expectations and our loving welcome (or lack thereof) has something to do with the eventual life lived by the newly arriving children.

FTH, our society will likely step back from our current horrific reality, in stages, with large steps, hopefully. The issues you raise are very important to the step-wise reversal of our abortion on deamnd culture.

In a perfect nation, we would welcome and protect EVERY newly conceived individual human being. The case of balancing a newly conceived life with a woman's rights who has been criminally assaulted is only a difficult case because of our weak affirmation of life. We affirm the woman's plight but prefer to pass on the plight of a newly conceived individual ... though conceptions from rapes is a very small statistic, I was just so conceived, but my blessed Mother chose to affirm life when she found she was giving life support to me; as she has told me, there was never a point when she considered my life expendable after she discovered she had conceived me in her womb. Of course I didn't learn of these facts until later in life, but her affirmation made her stronger even though I wasn't the easiest child to care for.

The issue really is 'how many individual human beings are involved in any legal decision contemplated, and we ought include the unborn individual in our calculations. Sadly, our current state of law doesn't fully recognize the humanity of the preborn, though historically it was a given not even up for debate.

We are working to change things, step by painful step, to not only return to our previous affirmation, but to go beyond that historical marker now that we have so much more evidence of the individuality of the preborn.

"... I've just never been certain in certain cases like those shadow areas of rape victims ..." Realizing that law will not ban abortion in such cases as rape and perhaps incest, I would offer that we could, at the very least, state a ban for terminating newly conceived innocent individual life after the eighth week, thus changing our perspective to life support for individuals, the responsibility of which befits the society when a woman cannot continue life support beyond the birthday.

If you think about it, the concept of 'life support' is already ingrained in our law ... fathers are mandated by courts to provide life support to their children and women are required by law to provide life support for crib-bound individual humans ... and it's far easier and shorter period to provide life support for an infant in the womb than one in a crib.

I sympathize with your conflicted thoughts on these tough issues, but the best I can offer is a kind of schizophrenia, where your heart holds ALL conceived individual human life as sacred, while your mind deals with the realities of allowing some abortion because of the hardness of our collective hearts.

[ST.LOUIE1]

Good morning, Saint and King. :) I love the new logo for "My Two Cents", Louie!
Did you hug him yet, John? :) He works for hugs, you know. LOL!

Gulp!!!! Don't be startin' rumors, BillieBlue! A 'handshake' would suffice.

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Love those wimmen hugs. : )

[MeekOneGOP]

Something for all the Eggheads to ponder...

First speed of gravity measurement revealed
NewScientist.com ^ | 01/07/2003 | Ed Fomalont and Sergei Kopeikin

Excerpt:

We became the first two people to know the speed of gravity, one of the fundamental constants of nature," the scientists say, in an article in New Scientist print edition. One important consequence of the result is that it places constraints on theories of "brane worlds", which suggest the Universe has more spatial dimensions than the familiar three.

John Baez, a physicist from the University of California at Riverside, comments: "Einstein wins yet again." He adds that any other result would have come as a shock.

[dansangel]

I would hold both of y'alls', too! :-)

[MHGinTN]

I'm in Johnson City, Pippin'. My Father was once the principle of Boones Creek School (had all grades back then).

[dansangel]

!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!!

[pant, pant....fanning self....]

That hug was a knock-out!!!!

I need to miss seeing you for a day more often.....NOT!!! ;-)

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[dansangel]

Awwww....thank-you Mixer for the double-hugs! :-)

Uh, you DID say your tree was artifical, right? (I get worried about trees drying out!)

If so, I'm sure you could decorate it for ALL of the holidays! LOL! Let's see, you could put eggs on it for Easter, American Flags for Memorial Day, more flags and some sparklers for 4th of July....well, you get the idea! LOL!! :-)

[MHGinTN]

Rakish rascal! They are beauties though, eh? FR women are all the more impressive as talented, good-hearted, and lovely. [When you get my age, you see into their souls, and the outside shapes and curves diminish in importance. FR has good women, strong women, inspiring women. What a world it would be, if ... sigh.]

[ST.LOUIE1]

!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

[pant, pant....fanning self....]
That hug was a knock-out!!!!

Calm yourself, dansy. : )

I need to miss seeing you for a day more often.....NOT!!! ;-)

Whew! maybe we'd better go to *freepmail*? LOL!!!!!

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Another one! I'm dizzy! But keep 'em comin'. : )

[Pippin]

Johnson City!

Hey! Right around my Dad's neck of the woods :^)

Ever heard of Limestone or Chucky Doak (spelling?)

Dad was born in Limestone and grew up around the Davey Crockett birthplace.

He went to Washington College wich is really a high school.

I have an aunt who lives in Greeneville and my cousin lives in Knoxville.

Two other aunts live in Limestone.

[Mo1]

Congrats MHGinTN on being FR's Finest

I think every debate about abortion should start with a simple declaration by everyone involved as to when they believe life starts or at what point do they believe an embryo should be considered a child. I say this bec I believe that most women who have bought into the "right to chose" have NEVER honestly asked themselves this question, and perhaps more important, try not to for fear of their own answer. If you could just get them to seperate their thinking from the sirens for just a few minutes

Lee'sGhost ... That is an excellant point .. if only they would stop for a moment and ask themselves

Here is my youngest when I was 3 1/2 months pregnant

And here she is 2 years later

I still don't understand how the Pro-Choice crowd can decide when life starts

To me .. all my children are my life

[Mixer]

If so, I'm sure you could decorate it for ALL of the holidays! LOL! Let's see, you could put eggs on it for Easter, American Flags for Memorial Day, more flags and some sparklers for 4th of July....well, you get the idea! LOL!! :-)

That was what I was saying to my wife....too funny!

[FreeTheHostages]

Thank you so much for your thoughful post. I had hoped not to offend but to receive guidance, because this issue (although you're right, it's a very small percentage of abortions) is one that troubles me.

Just to make sure I understand, when you write while your mind deals with the realities of allowing some abortion because of the hardness of our collective hearts, you do mean in the short run, right? I guess one way to look at this is that in the long, we'd live in a society where it was so very clear that rape was not a stigma for the rape victim -- only for the rapist -- that women weren't traumatized so much by the idea of carrying their babies to term.

I also whole-heartedly agree with you that such issues, which I find hard, have to be placed in the greater context: most unwanted pregnancies are not of this sort and abortion-on-demand probably just decreases the level of care and preparation people take generally with their pregnancies (e.g., getting married). And that also affects the early child welfare of the infants that are born. It's very very disputable that the pro-abortion people are right to suggest that abortion-on-demand maximizes the welfare in even the short run of children that are born. Abortion-on-demand discourages marriage, and the institution of marriage has a most salutorious effect on the early years.

Thanks very much for your post. I plan to read it repeatedly today.

[Pippin]

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Hugs from the world's cutest hobbit!

[ST.LOUIE1]

Rakish rascal! They are beauties though, eh? FR women are all the more impressive as talented, good-hearted, and lovely.

They surely are! And all have a really great sense of humor....why else would they put up with my hug fettish and wolfish ways ? : )

[When you get my age, you see into their souls, and the outside shapes and curves diminish in importance.
FR has good women, strong women, inspiring women.

I'm sure you're right, MHG, but I'm not looking forward to the 'curves' diminishing. : )

What a world it would be, if ... sigh.]

Maybe someday.