Posted on 01/07/2003 1:51:09 PM PST by Timesink
Do you buy laptops to watch DVD's?
My 52" television looks even better (size does matter?)
I am not a mind reader. What the hell difference does it make what your computer looks like? Funny, I always thought it was want went on inside the computer that mattered – not how it looks on the desk.
I bought my new iMac about three months ago not because it is, or represents, some "lifestyle." I bought it because it has the best monitor of any PC currently out there, bar none.
That is a matter of opinion. BTW: your opinion on this matter in not shared by many other people. If you think the monitor on your “iMac” is better than any monitor on the market, I question your research.
Because I love having the infinitely-tinkerable Unix under the hood.
Most people like to do thinks with their computers and not tinker with the operating system. Most see computers as a means to an end – you seem to see computers as an end in themselves. Infinitely tinkering with an operating system does not sound like much fun to me but once again it is a matter of opinion. Whatever turns you one – do it till you’re satisfied.
But I, and millions of others, happen to prefer Macs for our needs. Why is this something that must be crushed?
Did I say anything about crushing anything Mr. Over-Zealous Mac-Head? You Mac people are amazing. Mac’s are cool, Linux is cool, PC’s are cool. Just don’t try to blow “Mac Smoke” up me bum.
Funny I have not seen any of this “windows marketing” you are talking about. What is it? Where did you see it? You would not be pulling that famous liberal trick of playing fast and loose with the truth?
Conservatives do place a high value on the things Apple delivers - high quality, reliability, good service and simplicity.
Well I hate to hit you up-side your head with the cold herring of truth but Apple is the darling of liberals. Apple computers largest market share is academia – totally dominated my liberals – liberal LOVE the Mac (a computer more of image than substance). The other market niche dominated by Apple is Hollywood – totally dominated by Liberals – liberals LOVE the Mac. Heck if you watch a movie that has a computer in it you would think Macs are the dominate platform when in reality the Mac represents less than 3% of the market.
Mac is the liberal computer because like liberal politics it is all done with smoke and mirrors and slogans and feelings.
Fact is most conservative do not use Macs (because most people do not use Macs).
BTW: I can partake in silly debates from time to time but this is getting really silly (and I helped take it there). Debating which computer is the Liberal or Conservative computer is right up there with “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin”
Apple is a niche player like BMW is a niche player. Actually, BMW has less of the automobile market than Apple has of the computer market. That is not an argument that BMW aren't nice cars or that BMW is unsuccessful. Steve Jobs' little company has about $5,000,000,000 in cash lying around. Not a lot of computer companies can say that.
And Bill Gates' politics are just as odious as Steve Jobs'. I prefer Steve Jobs' relatively harmless posturing to Gates' quiet massive funding of pinko causes.
When I found the Mac I knew I was home. On the rare occasions I take my Titanium G4 to a meeting, everyone wants to play with it, check it out. Most are impressed with the machine and say so.
I only use Wintel machines now to run a couple of obscure technical programs. Macs are great computers and are great business machines.
I wish all you Wintel people well. I'll just zoom along with my Mac. Peace and Love.
Or, in your case, transference.
Now, back to basics.
When is the last time you used a Mac to solve any problem at all? You "reviewed" them? Perhaps like a book or movie?
You stepped on this thread for the specific purpose of pissing on a platform. I'm feel obliged to defend the platform against your unknowing observations.
As to my "bones", I started my professional career in April 1976 and have been on the bleeding edge of technology since. It's not a "new toy" to me. Nor is it a gadget, lifestyle or any other word you'd apply to it. It's a tool, as are all of the other computers and operating systems I use and have used over the course of a very comfortable career.
You know not of what you speak. That's easy to see. Just another hobbyist walking around with a gun full of scattershot words.
When you have purchased a Mac, used it, understand it and can refute its worth based on "reality" rather than whatever the hell concept you've managed to piece together, then maybe you'll have something material to add to the conversation.
Until then, what's there to talk about?
OK. Your point is...
Apple is a niche player like BMW is a niche player. Actually, BMW has less of the automobile market than Apple has of the computer market. That is not an argument that BMW aren't nice cars or that BMW is unsuccessful. Steve Jobs' little company has about $5,000,000,000 in cash lying around. Not a lot of computer companies can say that.
One problem. A computer is not a luxury car. Sorry to burst your bubble. Mac still has zero presence in most business sectors and that is what really matters unless you selling style (like pretending a computer is a luxury car). Mac's have the flash and big budget advertisements but where the rubber meets the road the WinTel world blows the doors off the Mac world each and every day. I drive a BWM.
If you are looking for style flash and a "lifestyle" - Mac is the big winner.
Mac clearly has the best hype. As a business tool a Mac is all but worthless. Mac is to computers what beta is to VCRs - maybe Beta is better but it really doesn't matter anymore although you can still watch movies with a beta VCR just a handful of companies use Macs for business.
You stepped on this thread for the specific purpose of pissing on a platform. I'm feel obliged to defend the platform against your unknowing observations.
No. I think that was you. If seems you stepped on this thread to try and feel superior. You are basically exposing yourself as one who has far more zeal than computer knowledge.
As to my "bones", I started my professional career in April 1976 and have been on the bleeding edge of technology since.
Really. What systems did you work on in 1976? Quick, search the internet for computer systems that were around in 1976. Very little business is done on the bleeding edge.
It's not a "new toy" to me.
I am sorry to hear that. It is a shame when someone no longer has fun in their chosen vocation.
It's a tool, as are all of the other computers and operating systems I use and have used over the course of a very comfortable career.
Funny that was my line
You know not of what you speak
OH THE IRONY. You are the one trying to explain what I do and don’t know even though you know absolutely nothing about me. I think you have just been skewered by your own words.
That's easy to see. Just another hobbyist walking around with a gun full of scattershot words.
Well. I asked you to back up your bold statements and you refused. Still waiting for you to explain to us what “doors” that Mac opens and when a Mac is a better price point than any other system. Still waiting – but don’t let that stop you from spewing ad homenim insults.
You can tell when somebody does not know what they are talking about and is bluffing because they spend most of their time attacking other people personally in an attempt to change the subject.
When you have purchased a Mac, used it, understand it and can refute its worth based on "reality" rather than whatever the hell concept you've managed to piece together, then maybe you'll have something material to add to the conversation. Until then, what's there to talk about?
Oh here we go again. The Mac is such a special computer the only way you can understand it is to buy one – touch one – caress one – have sex with one – give us a break. Until you can answer the tough questions and back up you bold unsupported statements – you still look like a poser pretending to understand computers. A Mac-minion with far more zeal than knowledge that plays fast and loose with the truth.
Macs have zero presence in most if not all business sectors. I write software in the business world. Nuff said – game over – move on, nothing to see here.
I have a ThinkPad. IBM makes great solid laptops but they are not the cheapest (my A30 cost nearly $3000 last year). As a DB admin you will likely have to get a Window machine – maybe not. Dreamweaver works on windows or mac. Battery life is the biggest issue on laptops and long flights. My A30 has a 15 inch screen and battery life is like barely over an hour. If Apple offers great battery life – maybe the Apple would be better – if you can get the DB admin tools you want on the Mac platform. My company has always used IBM ThinkPad since the early 1990’s and have had great luck.
I would recommend the ThinkPad.
You're a piece of work.
Let's compare clippings, published material, industry awards, editorial boards, and personal achievement awards, shall we? We'll skip resumes and go for the shiney guts, okay? Unless you'd rather trot out resumes. That would be okay with me too.
You've never owned a Mac. You've never used one. You've read about them. You've heard about them. You've formed an opinion about them, though. And in your "expert" opinion, you don't like them because...well...because... Come to think of it you haven't really said.
Now quick. Tell me what I'm doing with this statement:
awk '/LOG REWOUND|LOG STARTED/ { print FILENAME, $0 }' NTX.* | sort -k6 | awk '{print $1}' | xargs bleh.pl >result.out
You have exactly 3 minutes.
Bonus question: Which of the platforms I mentioned would support this?
Why is it silly to compare a computer to a car? I spend more time in front of my computer than in my car; why shouldn't I then apply aesthetic judgement to the purchase? A car is a complicated expensive piece of high tech equipment that gets you where to need to go on the highway. A computer is a complicated machine that gets you where you need to go on the information superhighway. Most people use their computers for games, e-mail, browsing the web, watching DVDs and listening to MP3s, and with the exception of games you can do this stuff better on a Mac than on a PC. And you can put a Mac in a living room without embarassing the furniture. If you want a cheap, fast, homely, standardized machine, get a PC. If you want an elegant, hassle-free machine, spend the extra money and get a Mac.
Apple is the company that -- while they didn't invent these all these technologies -- first popularized them: the 3 1/2 inch floppy, the CD ROM drive, the mouse, the graphical windowing system, the laser printer, the DVD recorder, plug and play, plug and play peer to peer networking, multimedia, digital video, streaming digital video, digital video editing, WYSIWYG editing, wireless networking, all-in-one computing appliances, firewire. Even the World Wide Web had its genesis in Apple's Hypercard. The only technology, other than raw computing power, that first appeared on a PC that I can think of is USB. Quite simply, Apple is the most innovative computer company in history. It is the R&D arm of the entire PC industry. It is worth billions of dollars, and the man who started the company in his garage with one other employee and is now still running it is personally a billionaire. And this is how you define failure?
Bzzzzzzz! Time is up! Let's try something a little easier. Translate this into English:
cat bleh.txt | egrep /[bb]|^[b]2/
Three more minutes. (This is an easy one!)
Bonus: Assuming bleh.txt contained 1000 lines of text, how many lines of text would be returned?
What is the vertical resolution of your 52" television, i.e. how many scanlines?
You can't answer a single question - but that is some mighty fine tap dancing you are doing. Lots of hot air but no details,
Lets try this again.
I think you have proven yourself to be a phony - but you can prove me wrong by answering the questions:
1. You claim to have entered the computer industry in 1976 yet can't name what system(s) you were working on.
2. You claim in your “business” the Mac "opens" technology doors yet you have failed to describe ONE of these magic doors.
2. You claim in your “business” the Mac comes in at a better price point than other systems yet you completely failed to explain how that heck that could be possible.
If you are not blowing "Mac Smoke" up everybody's butt, you should be able to easily answer these question.
You've never owned a Mac.
Wrong. I own one right now. (you are really making a fool out of yourself)
You've never used one.
WRONG. I have used them a couple of times and evaluated the feasibility of releasing my company’s software on the platform (see how stupid you make yourself look what you boldly make statements of which you are completely ignorant?)
Now quick. Tell me what I'm doing with this statement:
awk '/LOG REWOUND|LOG STARTED/ { print FILENAME, $0 }' NTX.* | sort -k6 | awk '{print $1}' | xargs bleh.pl >result.out
It is awk code (something I do not use) it is reading something out of a file, formatting it and outputting it the file resulte.out – or something like that – I could look up that syntax. The awk language (that focuses mainly on file related activities)(it is sort like Rexx on VM) is primarily a Unix thing though I believe it ported to most platforms.
Now are you going to answer the questions I asked a while ago or ar you just a poser?
Ahem....
There once was a guy named Ulysses,
who bragged Apple lovers were wussies.
But if computers were cats,
with Unix in Macs,
We've a tiger in a jungle of pussies.
Will that do?
You are really making a fool out of yourself.
Face it. You are kid pretending to know far more than you really do. You believe the Mac propaganda and repeat it without being able to back it up. Now run along, it is pasted your bedtime.
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