Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Macworld Expo keynote coverage recap (New PowerBooks, New Web Browser!)
MacCentral.com ^ | January 7, 2002 | Peter Cohen

Posted on 01/07/2003 1:51:09 PM PST by Timesink

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 161 next last
To: jbstrick
I think it is quite funny... Rush once said that being a Mac user is much like being a conservative. As soon as poeople find out you use a Mac the insults start flying. "Mac's Suck, You are a loser. Steve is an idiot." You see it on every Mac thread in this forum.

Funny. I see the Mac as the liberal computer – based much on hype and sold as a “lifestyle” just like liberal political philosophy. Mac users seem to base their computer selection on feelings not the reality of the situation.

Reality: A computer is a tool, not a lifestyle. A computer is means to an end, not an end in and of itself.

Trace the threads. It sure looks like the oversensitivity, lack of humor, and what looks like blind zealousness comes from our friends on the Mac-side. Like I said, the Mac sure looks like the "liberal computer" to me.

21 posted on 01/07/2003 3:32:23 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Glenn
Jealousy is a terrible thing. The comment I hear most at work (where Macs are an underground platform) is: How did you do that!?

Sounds more like lines from a Mac "lifestyle" commercial than reality.

Like I said, the Mac sure looks like the Liberal Computer to me – big on slogans, hype, and zealousness but a wee bit short in the reality department.

22 posted on 01/07/2003 3:38:40 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Last Visible Dog
but a wee bit short in the reality department.

You're talking out of your hat. Admit it.

23 posted on 01/07/2003 3:41:02 PM PST by Glenn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Timesink
a 17" Laptop?

That the fsck do you do with a 17" Laptop?

24 posted on 01/07/2003 3:43:31 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Last Visible Dog
I use a Silver G4 at work, but it's time to upgrade at home. That 17" G4 laptop would be perfect -- but OSUX doesn't run QuarkXpress, and I gotta have Quark. What to do?

Should I bite the bullet and pay the $4K for the cool new laptop that won't run Quark, or consider -- gulp -- going over to the Dark Side?

Any advice?
25 posted on 01/07/2003 3:44:26 PM PST by B-Chan (Apple User since 1982)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan
Don't ditch the platform for one app... You can run Classic side by side (for Quark, until they wise up) with OSX - I do it all the time
26 posted on 01/07/2003 3:59:54 PM PST by IncPen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ContentiousObjector
That the fsck do you do with a 17" Laptop?

Dude, you KICK ASS.

27 posted on 01/07/2003 4:11:59 PM PST by Timesink (FINISH THE DAMN GAME!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Timesink
why would you beat someone up with a $3200 laptop, when you could use a crowbar or baseball bat for $20?

That thing is insane, it defeats the very purpose of a laptop

28 posted on 01/07/2003 4:14:10 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Glenn
You're talking out of your hat. Admit it.

Nope. I am talking out of 24 years of experience in the computer industry. I am talking from the position of being a strong supporter of Apple (pre-Mac) and I was one of even factory trained on the Apple Lisa (look it up). Macs are dandy but the “lifestyle” computer crap is a wee bit short in the reality department unless you beleive how you "feel" about a computer is more important than reality.

It is very “liberal” of you to attack me without knowing ANYTHING about me in your zealous defense of an inanimate object (reminds me of the support Bill Clinton enjoyed). Like I said, Mac sure seems to be the "liberal" computer.

Are you guys forced to turn in your sense of humor when you buy a Mac?

29 posted on 01/07/2003 4:14:18 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan
I use a Silver G4 at work, but it's time to upgrade at home. That 17" G4 laptop would be perfect -- but OSUX doesn't run QuarkXpress, and I gotta have Quark. What to do? Should I bite the bullet and pay the $4K for the cool new laptop that won't run Quark, or consider -- gulp -- going over to the Dark Side? Any advice?

Whatever works for you and addresses your computer needs. If the Mac does it - go for it. A PC will likely do it faster and for less money (although in some cases that is not true). Whatever gets the job done. Just don't call it a bloody lifestyle.

If all you do is use one specific software package that only runs on Macs - by all means stick with the Mac.

30 posted on 01/07/2003 4:21:22 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Last Visible Dog
Nope. I am talking out of 24 years of experience in the computer industry. I am talking from the position of being a strong supporter of Apple (pre-Mac) and I was one of even factory trained on the Apple Lisa (look it up).

No need to look it up, thank you. I've got more experience than you in the industry. "pre-Mac" is a very long time ago. Things have changed.

Macs are dandy but the “lifestyle” computer crap is a wee bit short in the reality department unless you beleive how you "feel" about a computer is more important than reality.

Have you used a Mac lately, Ace? Sounds to me like you're a graying, narrow-minded computerist. I've got Macs, PCs, HPs, Suns, NT Servers, Decs, AS/400s and a couple of computers you've probably never heard of. (Right tool for the job, and all that.) The Mac opens some technological doors at a better price point for some things than other platforms. It's a business decision, you see. Return on investment.

It is very “liberal” of you to attack me without knowing ANYTHING about me in your zealous defense of an inanimate object (reminds me of the support Bill Clinton enjoyed). Like I said, Mac sure seems to be the "liberal" computer.

Unless you own a Mac, use a Mac and understand a Mac, your opinion is "talking out of your hat". If you see that as an "attack", you're mighty thin skinned.

Are you guys forced to turn in your sense of humor when you buy a Mac?

I find you laughable so I suppose not. (Now, that was an attack.)

31 posted on 01/07/2003 4:25:43 PM PST by Glenn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Last Visible Dog
Funny. I see the Mac as the liberal computer ? based much on hype and sold as a ?lifestyle? just like liberal political philosophy. Mac users seem to base their computer selection on feelings not the reality of the situation.

Since when? Does this mean that anyone that decides to go for a Gateway (since they promise so much hand-holding and offered a hideous "iMac Killer" PC that went nowhere) or a Sony (since they sell models specfically aimed at those looking to do the same things as Mac home users like make home videos and manage MP3s etc) is also merely basing their purchase decision on feelings instead of "reality," whatever that is supposed to be?

I bought my new iMac about three months ago not because it is, or represents, some "lifestyle." I bought it because it has the best monitor of any PC currently out there, bar none. Because I prefer the OS. Because I love having the infinitely-tinkerable Unix under the hood. For as long as I've had it, the only "lifestyle" tool I've used is iTunes. (And there were dozens of other ways to sort and play MP3s before iTunes came around anyway.) iMovie? iDVD? iPhoto? Hey, I don't even own a digital camera or camcorder. I've never even launched any of them a single time. Nice to know they're there in case I ever do get around to buying a camera or camcorder, but they played no role whatsoever in my decision to purchase.

I don't begrudge anyone who buys a PC. If they prefer Windows, fine. Hell, I have VirtualPC, I run WinXPPro myself sometimes. And the PC is absolutely the preferable platform for certain needs. But I, and millions of others, happen to prefer Macs for our needs. Why is this something that must be crushed?

32 posted on 01/07/2003 4:27:23 PM PST by Timesink (FINISH THE DAMN GAME!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: ContentiousObjector
why would you beat someone up with a $3200 laptop, when you could use a crowbar or baseball bat for $20? That thing is insane, it defeats the very purpose of a laptop.

No no, I mean you kick ass in a bling-bling sort of way. It gets the chicks.

Well, the geek chicks anyway.

Of course, for graphics pros, the bigger the screen the better. And if they can carry around a 17-inch laptop to show stuff to clients, clients who DO care about fashion and style and hipness, the whole thing is just perfect for them. And Jobs said he eventually expects portables to sell more than desktop machines, so you know he's pushing like mad to cram in everything until the PowerBooks literally match the desktop G4s in every way, so that they actually become full-fledged, state-of-the-art full-power Macs every bit as good as the desktops, giving up nothing at all in order to squeeze it all into a laptop shell.

33 posted on 01/07/2003 4:35:04 PM PST by Timesink (FINISH THE DAMN GAME!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Last Visible Dog
big on slogans, hype, and zealousness but a wee bit short in the reality department.

Actually, that is a very good description of Microsoft - great marketing of low quality crap products. Microsoft Windows looks like the operating system Hillary Clinton would design if she was a programmer.

Conservatives do place a high value on the things Apple delivers - high quality, reliability, good service and simplicity.

34 posted on 01/07/2003 4:42:36 PM PST by HAL9000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Timesink
I could see someone picking up girls with an iBook or the new 12" G4, but that thing remains the most impractical thing I have ever seen, and I thought the 15" Titanium model was a joke.

That is not a laptop, that is what we used to call a Luggable

35 posted on 01/07/2003 4:46:47 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

Comment #36 Removed by Moderator

To: Glenn; Timesink
Hardly news and not deserving of a pep rally.

It's real obvious that you don't get it.

I'm not sure which part I don't get.

That Apple is still a minor player after 20 years?

That they still have a cult like following?

That it's still the preferred platform of the loony left and that Apple and Jobs rewards their slavish devotion with funding for their causes? (and don't forget that Apple and Adobe were the ones who put up the venture capital to start Salon so that the Clinton's would get some friendly internet press)

I'm also 'don't get' why these Apple press parties keep getting posted here. We don't post the MS, HP, Sony, GM, etc, annual meetings, why Apple?

Most posters here agree that boycotting CNN, Disney, etc are good ways to defund and hurt the left, why should Apple be treated differently? I've been down the road with Apple and don't miss their boxes at all. In the real world of business an Apple laptop just gets snickers. Of course the 17" model might rate some guffaws.

37 posted on 01/07/2003 5:10:37 PM PST by TC Rider
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ContentiousObjector
I could see someone picking up girls with an iBook or the new 12" G4, but that thing remains the most impractical thing I have ever seen

Pop in a DVD and play it in widescreen mode.

The truth is - Size matters.

38 posted on 01/07/2003 5:13:16 PM PST by HAL9000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
It's a laptop, not your Clinton.

Laptops are better small,

39 posted on 01/07/2003 5:16:17 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Glenn
No need to look it up, thank you. I've got more experience than you in the industry. "pre-Mac" is a very long time ago. Things have changed.

If you think “pre-mac” is a “very long time ago” I seriously doubt you have more experience in the industry. Comments like “things have changed” also expose a bit of naiveté but I am just speculating.

Have you used a Mac lately, Ace?

Ace. Nice touch. (the sign of a true experienced computer professional) For years I have tried to find a way to get a Mac because I enjoy new toys but the Mac has about 0% market presence in the financial industry. I have to base my computer purchases on need, usability, and market factors – not “style” and marketing hype.

Sounds to me like you're a graying, narrow-minded computerist.

If you have more experience in the computer industry than I do that makes you FAR MORE gray and then I am (I think you let the cat out of the bag) - I was 19 when I started my career - you must be really old. I work in the realm of reality, not fantasy, lifestyle, and being hip and cool. But, outside of work I have a very hip and cool lifestyle (if I say so myself). Attacking people you don’t know is called ad hominem and does nothing for your argument and sure does not make it look like you have “more experienced”

got Macs, PCs, HPs, Suns, NT Servers, Decs, AS/400s and a couple of computers you've probably never heard of.

Try me big talker.

The Mac opens some technological doors at a better price point for some things than other platforms

Please descript these “doors” you are talking about. When is an Apple a better “price point” then other platforms? Sounds like a lot of hot air from a bluffer.

Unless you own a Mac, use a Mac and understand a Mac, your opinion is "talking out of your hat". If you see that as an "attack", you're mighty thin skinned.

I have reviewed the Mac many times as a business tool. The Mac has about zero presence in most business sectors and is NOT a business machine. If you think one computer is so dramatically different from others that one more possess, caress, and embrace it to “truly understand it” than clearly you are a newbie poser that does not have a clue what you are talking about

You attacked me personally without knowing a damn thing about me. You spew forth ad hominen attacks because I did not say complimentary things about your beloved computer platform and you have the nerve to call me “thin skinned”. Psychiatrists call it projection when one tries to project their problems on other people.

40 posted on 01/07/2003 5:17:04 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 161 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson