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OHIO STATE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS

Posted on 01/03/2003 9:20:40 PM PST by ItsBacon

Edited on 01/03/2003 9:27:16 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

31-24 after 2 overtimes


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Florida; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: buckeyes; nationalchamps
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To: RckyRaCoCo
Still hate the BCS though, rather see a playoff with fewer regular season games and better regular season matchups.

I agree... maybe there's hope, now that the BCS finally worked, with the only two unbeatens playing for it all (due more to coincidence than a good system). BCS forming committee to discuss possible playoff

Personally, I prefer the top eight playing a three-week playoff. It's rare that a team outside of the top 6 have any real legitimate claim, and the other two spots can go to low-ranked teams with good records (like Boise St this year... hard to argue with 12-1 and a bowl win... also, Marshall and TCU went 11-2 and 10-2, and won their bowl games, but didn't even crack the top 20).

They can still rotate the championship game between the 4 bowls. Three other major bowls could get in the action, as well (probably Gator, Cotton, and Citrus).

This year, my eight contenders would've been 1) Miami, 2) OSU, 3) Iowa, 4)USC, 5)Georgia, 6) (bowl-dissed) Kansas St.(10-2, #6 in the country, gets the friggin’ Holiday Bowl against unranked 8-5 Arizona St?!?), 7) Oklahoma, and a wildcard to 8) Boise St. Suit ‘em up, and have at it! (Of course, they'd probably throw in a highly-over-rated Notre Dame every year, just out of "tradition". Grr.)

301 posted on 01/04/2003 8:14:05 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: E Rocc
8 Teams OSU beat were in Bowl games (9 if you include Miami). 5 of those won, Washington State got rolled, the remaining two lost by a combined 9 points.

7 Teams Miami beat were in Bowl games. 3 of those won. Most lost handily.

302 posted on 01/04/2003 8:17:57 AM PST by lepton
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To: Paleo Conservative
The Trojans were probably the BEST team coming down the
stretch and with Carson Palmer at the helm, could have
easily been National Champs in a REAL playoff. Also,
glad to see Palmer get his due with the Heisman Trophy
in spite of the lack of exposure here in the east
before the nationally-televised USC-Notre Dame game
which helped his cause.
303 posted on 01/04/2003 8:18:59 AM PST by jragan2001
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To: chimera
Ummm. The Orange Bowl was Iowa/USC. Iowa was dead on their feet about 10 minutes into the 2nd quarter.

The Miami/OSU weather was a split favoring neither team.

304 posted on 01/04/2003 8:20:47 AM PST by lepton
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To: BUSHdude2000
The referee closest to the play called it incomplete, they even drew an "X" on the guy during the replay and the announcer said it was a bad call. Watching this game was a waste of time when the result ends up flawed.

C'mon, lighten up. The game isn't decided in the broadcasting booth, its decided on the field. Officiating calls go either way over the course of a game. Teams just have to deal with them as best they can. When a call goes your way, you have to make the best of it. When it doesn't you have to bouce back. Good teams that win championships just deal with it and do what they have to do to win.

The Bucks did it with defensive effort and never-say-die attitude. They keep battling all season and put themselves in a position to win the big prize. They hung in there through the whole game and just kept coming back, knowing that if you keep trying and don't quit then you never know what can happen.

Their defensive plays won this game like they have all season. They forced two Miami turnovers and the offense turned those into touchdowns. Then Miami's Taylor makes a good play on the ball and gets an intercept, but Clarett (an offensive player at that) comes in and strips the ball from him. That leads at a field goal. That's 17 points right there as a result of defensive plays. Then they hold Miami on four downs inside the five, two of them from about the one yard line. A good number of teams might have just conceded the touchdown right there. But the Bucks just kept playing their game, knowing that as long as the door was open just a crack there was a chance for them to walk through it.

This was a game where there were people predicting Maimi would win by 63-3, or 48-7, or all sorts of nonsense. The Buckeyes were having none of it. They knew the game would be decided on the field. These guys are ballplayers, and they knew going in that playing the game was why they were there. They won the game and the championship fair and sqaure, on the field where it should be won. That that's something all the whining in the world by the naysayers won't change.

305 posted on 01/04/2003 8:22:23 AM PST by chimera
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To: jragan2001
The ONE thing about this year's bowl games that is almost impossible to dispute is that the right guy won the Heisman.
306 posted on 01/04/2003 8:24:54 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: chimera
14-0 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!! Never thought I would live to see the day, my alma mater finally won something. To everyone in the national media that gave us "no shot", particularly those boneheads on ESPN (except for Kirk Herbstreit, of course), kiss my ASS!
307 posted on 01/04/2003 8:29:41 AM PST by Big E
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To: chimera
Last night's game proved one thing: Offense sells tickets, but defense wins championships.
308 posted on 01/04/2003 8:34:30 AM PST by jragan2001
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To: lepton
That's Iowa. The Bucks would have won that game, too. Perhaps not by a lot, but, like all the games this season, by enough. This is an undefeated team. They won at home, and they won on the road. They won in hot, sticky weather or in cool, dry weather. They won when it rained or when it shined. They won all their games. They won the championship. They did what all the teams starting out the season wanted to do. They deserve some respect and acknowledgement of that achievement.
309 posted on 01/04/2003 8:35:40 AM PST by chimera
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To: gswilder
Friday, January 3 Updated: January 4, 4:20 AM ET Miami stunned by late flag in OT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Bruce Feldman ESPN The Magazine TEMPE, Ariz. -- The fireworks shot off. The Miami coaches pumped their fists and Warren Sapp, Jessie Armstead and a bunch of other old Hurricanes raced onto the field to celebrate UM's first back-to-back job.

And then someone saw the flag.

Pass interference. On a fourth-and-three from the Miami 5. In overtime. After first signaling incomplete pass -- setting off the Miami celebration -- field judge Terry Porter threw the yellow hankie a few heartbeats after the ball fell to the turf. The penalty was on 'Canes freshman corner Glenn Sharpe who was checking OSU's Chris Gamble.

Glenn Sharpe was called for pass interference against Chris Gamble in OT in the Fiesta Bowl. "I saw the guy holding the guy prior to the ball being put in the air," Porter said. "He was still holding him, pulling him down while the ball was in the air. I gave the signal for holding. Then I realized it should be pass interference because the ball was in the air."

Porter, part of a Big 12 officiating crew, says the call was delayed because he replayed it in his mind: "I wanted to make double sure it was the right call."

Don't you think the ref knew the outcome of the game could hinge on this call or non-call? Give him credit for pausing to replay it in his mind before throwing the flag.

The Buckeyes played smart, capitalized on turnovers and shut down the vaunted Miami running game, forcing the 'Canes to play Ohio's style of football.

The Buckeyes have bought into Tressel's system. With Tressel's top ranked recruiting class of a year ago already contributing to this year's successes, one can only imagine what the future may hold as more highly recruited prospects opt for OSU in order to play for a man like Tressel, and to have a shot of playing for a title. GO BUCKEYES!!!

310 posted on 01/04/2003 8:43:28 AM PST by Typelouder
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To: Teacher317
Even after the bowls, they had 3 of the top 9 (1st, 8th, and 9th). Only the Big12 could match that (5th, 6th, and 7th). The others only had one each, with the PAC-10 taking the final spot.

The pundits like basektball on grass, not real football. Therefor the size and strength of the Big 10 and Big 12 are under-respected. As we see every year, Real football wins. Substance over style.

311 posted on 01/04/2003 8:46:31 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: Typelouder
Read the rest of the article, UM defensive backs coach Mark Stoops said, "We were blitzing," Stoops explained. "I didn't want them to catch a little slant or a little hitch. I told 'em to get in the receiver's face because there's not an official that's gonna make that call."

I other words, I told 'em to climb all over the receivers and foul them. Well, then don't be so shocked that one of the refs called it.

Ah, what the hell, it doesn't matter, NATIONAL CHAMPIONS OHIO STATE BUCKEYES!!!!
312 posted on 01/04/2003 8:48:27 AM PST by Big E
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To: jragan2001
Absolutely correct. In football, good defense gives a team an edge in neutralizing a good offense, and defensive plays can go a long way towards making up for poor offense.

Even the last play of the game embodied that principle. Cie Grant breaks in and rushes that Dorsey pass, and it drops. If they don't get that kind of defensive pressure, Dorsey can hit a receiver or scramble in. And they stuffed the two running attempts prior to that play. Doesn't get much better...

313 posted on 01/04/2003 8:51:48 AM PST by chimera
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To: chimera
That's Iowa. The Bucks would have won that game, too.

Actually, with watching recent games, it appeared to me that Iowa matched up better against Miami, and OSU better against USC. OSU definitely would have had Gamble and Willhelm going for them. Those two don't wear out.

314 posted on 01/04/2003 8:57:52 AM PST by lepton
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To: SoCal Pubbie
The ONE thing about this year's bowl games that is almost impossible to dispute is that the right guy won the Heisman.

He was throwing some beauties to those tall receivers of his.

315 posted on 01/04/2003 8:59:55 AM PST by lepton
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To: Teacher317
also, Marshall and TCU went 11-2 and 10-2, and won their bowl games, but didn't even crack the top 20

Your whole argument is fair except this deviation. When a team like Marshal schedules nobody and beats up on nobodies, then loses to Akron (Leftwich or no Leftwich or injured Leftwich, no excuse) they do not deserve to be considered for a National Championship, regardless of record.

316 posted on 01/04/2003 9:51:15 AM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: Physicist
That one evens up for the one not called against Miami toward the end of reg when their corner held Jenkins twice on one play!
317 posted on 01/04/2003 9:54:24 AM PST by Righty1
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To: hellinahandcart
I admit nothing! Wait'll next year.

Go Terps!


318 posted on 01/04/2003 9:55:29 AM PST by sauropod
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To: jragan2001
The Trojans were probably the BEST team coming down the stretch and with Carson Palmer at the helm, could have easily been National Champs in a REAL playoff.

I agree that USC was playing very good football at the end of the year. Who knows what would have happened in hypothetical playoffs, that is a very dangerous team.

However, I've heard too much about how USC WOULD DEFINETELY beat OSU though. OSU played a phenomenal season, had its ups and downs, but won every single game. College Football right now does not allow for streakiness. You have to play consistent enough football to win all of your games. OSU did what it had to do to give itself a shot, if USC would have done the same then maybe things would be different. Everybody thought that Miami was going to roll over OSU as well, didn't happen. I would love to see a game between USC and OSU though, it would be a great game.

319 posted on 01/04/2003 9:56:22 AM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: B. Rabbit
Fair enough. I'm in Muncie, home of Ball State (also in the MAC), so I'm probably prejudiced. ;^)
But Marshall had a decent run with Chad Pennington. IIRC, they finished #11 and trounced #25 BYU 21-3 in their 2001 Motor City Bowl. While it's not fair to include a 12-0 team who only beat patsies, it is also unfair to hold a weak conference's 12-0 team out simply because they didn't schedule tougher opposition two years in advance.

Okay, here's my update: the weaker conference teams have to go undefeated to get a potential wildcard invite to the Elite Eight... TCU and Marshall this year wouldn't qualify, but Marshall in 2001 would... and as long as there are no other worthier teams (like Texas this year. It hurt me to not include them in my top 8. I guess I could bump Boise St since they lost that one to Arkansas, heh-heh.)

320 posted on 01/04/2003 10:04:21 AM PST by Teacher317
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