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French woman jailed for being gang-raped (Religion of Peace Alert)
The Telegraph, UK ^ | 1/03/03 | Philip Delves Broughton

Posted on 01/03/2003 5:18:37 AM PST by Salgak

A businesswoman who accused three men of gang rape has been arrested in Dubai and faces trial on charges of adultery.

Touria Tiouli, 39, from Limoges, in France, has had her passport confiscated and cannot leave Dubai after being charged under the emirate's Sharia law.

This declares any sexual relationship outside marriage to be illegal.

Mme Tiouli was on a business trip last October when, she alleges, she was raped by three men who offered her a lift home from a nightclub.

She reported the attack immediately to the Dubai police, who after investigating her claim arrested her rather than those she accused.

One of the men admitted to having "consensual sex" with Mme Tiouli, which made her, in the eyes of Dubai's judiciary, guilty of both adultery and making a false rape accusation. She could face up to 18 months in prison. None of the men has been charged.

Mme Tiouli was held in prison for five days and has since been staying at a hotel.

The government has taken her passport and refused to let her leave the country until her trial, which has not yet been scheduled.

Friends in Limoges issued a statement from Mme Tiouli yesterday. It said that when she reported her rape to the police, "I was crying and I saw quickly that my story did not carry any weight with them."

She added: "I am frightened and I am not sleeping." Her 14-year-old son is staying with friends in France.

Mme Tiouli, who is divorced, was born in Morocco but moved to France as a child and is a French citizen.

This was her third visit to Dubai, where she worked on behalf of French luxury goods companies establishing links in the local market and dealing with the French consulate.

When she reported her attack to the police, she believed her status as a French citizen with close ties to the consulate would lead to her being taken seriously.

Sharia law is applied with varying severity in many Muslim countries. In Nigeria, adultery is punishable by stoning to death, while in Dubai a prison sentence is usual.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: accusation; rape
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To: Salgak
This is a well known problem to people who actually know something about sharia law and don't swallow the government/media propaganda about the "religion of peace."

Under most variations of sharia several witnesses are required to convict a man of rape. So a woman who swears a complaint of rape without the requisite witnesses has just confessed to adultery. Add to the mix that most Middle Eastern men believe Western women are sluts just waiting to be jumped because of what they've seen in the movies and media. Women are targets and the men know there is almost no chance they'll be caught. Barbaric, but true.

The humane thing for Western businesses and governments is to educate women being posted to countries ruled under sharia law and assign a male minder or in some countries a bodyguard.

41 posted on 01/03/2003 1:56:35 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: krb
wasn't rape, per se

That'll be a relief to most rapists in this country. How...Clintonian. "You see, it wasn't really rape, because she was doing something stupid/wearing too much makeup/making me spring wood." Thanks for making all their lives easier by letting them know that if they could find something that the woman did that was a a bad judgement call, it wasn't rape. You know, she was asking for it.

42 posted on 01/03/2003 1:59:13 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
That'll be a relief to most rapists in this country

HAHAHAHAHA!!! You didn't read the thread at all, did you? You get the nomination for the best non-sequitor of the month!

43 posted on 01/03/2003 2:15:38 PM PST by krb
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To: krb
I read the one from Russ, and your, "not rape per se" comment. In addition to the others that had to do with the article itself, as opposed to, "Oh freaking well....get into a car with strangers, get raped."
44 posted on 01/03/2003 2:18:40 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: colorado tanker
Under most variations of sharia several witnesses are required to convict a man of rape.

I recall reading that under Islamic law it takes the testimony of 5 women to overcome the word of one man.

She hasn't got a chance.

45 posted on 01/03/2003 2:26:20 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User
She hasn't got a chance.

Sad, but true. Maybe the French government can do a deal.

Say, the French could threaten to call them "unilateralists" if they don't release her!

46 posted on 01/03/2003 2:31:20 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: MinorityRepublican
So tell me, what will it take for the Arabs to become christianized, and for the Jihad to end?

Christianized? I don't even want that. The basic problem is they are fanatics. Turning them into another type of fanatic is no solution (Christianity is mostly over it, but read some history. Arabs in the program would cause a throwback to inquistions.)

MTV will get 'em (their kids anyhow).

47 posted on 01/03/2003 2:33:41 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: Bella_Bru
I read the one from Russ, and your, "not rape per se" comment

Ok, and what was I saying was "not rape per se" ?

48 posted on 01/03/2003 2:35:17 PM PST by krb
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To: krb
You were implying (at least the way I read it) that it is not rape unless she was pulled off the street in broad daylight. "Not rape per se" in my book means, "We do not consider men who cannot understand 'no'" to be rapists.
49 posted on 01/03/2003 2:53:36 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Russ
Also, I don't see anything in this article saying that the men were Muslims. In fact, their religion or nationality is not identified.

Maybe not, but the woman's continuing nightmare is being provided via sharia (Muslim law), and thus whether or not she was raped originally by "Muslims" -- and most likely she was -- she's certainly being raped by Muslims *now* (via the Muslim judiciary).

50 posted on 01/03/2003 3:15:26 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: Bella_Bru
"Not rape per se" in my book means, "We do not consider men who cannot understand 'no'" to be rapists.

Ok, here's what happens when you read the whole sentence (emphasis added to try and make it easier for you to find the subject and verb and so forth:

The sub-topic of the thread started by Stallone/Movemout wasn't rape, per se,

So, you see, I wasn't saying anything about what level of crime occurred in the story posted, I was responding to another poster who doesn't read all of the messages she is responding to and then levels stupid accusations that reveal, well, that she doesn't read all of the thread that she jumps into the middle of.

It's all there. Read it. I am at a loss to explain how you could read that (if you really did) and think that I was saying that the woman wasn't raped.

51 posted on 01/03/2003 3:15:33 PM PST by krb
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To: Salgak; knighthawk
Nice to see the "Religion of Peace" upholding high standards of Justice. . . NOT!

At least the Iranians have said they are going to end stoning as a form
of capital punishment.
(I don't know what other delicious form of execution they might be going to
as "Plan" B, if any).

No, they haven't run out of stones...
The Iranians think this sort of radical progressive move might help them gain more
acceptance within the European Union...

(I heard this on ABC radio news a week or so ago...)
52 posted on 01/03/2003 3:18:07 PM PST by VOA
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To: krb
I was going to apologize for the misunderstanding, but seeing as though you want to be an a** about it, eat me.

I will admit that I scanned your comment quickly and that my reply should have been directed at Russ.

However, my reply to you still stands. Eat me.

53 posted on 01/03/2003 3:24:20 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; ...
A businesswoman who accused three men of gang rape has been arrested in Dubai and faces trial on charges of adultery.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

54 posted on 01/03/2003 3:27:34 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: VOA
In Iran they hang people with building cranes. They will never achieve anything, because their cranes are always occupied.
55 posted on 01/03/2003 3:28:32 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: maica
Dubai is considered a moderate pro-Western muslim nation.

They are not going to join the 21st or even 20th century until we have had a bloody world war against islam on the level of the war we had with Japanese imperialism and German Nazism. And that may not even be enough.

56 posted on 01/03/2003 3:31:28 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: DeFault User
I recall reading that under Islamic law it takes the testimony of 5 women to overcome the word of one man.

Every time I hear the phrase 'Islamic Law' I can't help but think that either the Almighty is a real low down, shady character, or that some dude made up a lot of rules that would benefit himself and friends directly, and passed it off as a religion.

57 posted on 01/03/2003 3:38:19 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: Dinsdale
I like what Ann Coulter said about converting the jihadis:

"As for converting them to Christianity, I think it might be a good idea to get them on some sort of hobby other than slaughtering infidels. I mean, perhaps that's the Peace Corps, perhaps it's working for Planned Parenthood, but I've never seen the transforming effect of anything like Christianity."
58 posted on 01/03/2003 3:40:50 PM PST by johnb838
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To: Bella_Bru
I was going to apologize for the misunderstanding, but seeing as though you want to be an a** about it...

I do not want to be an a** about anything. I think you leveled a pretty serious charge at me, and I gave you lots of time to simply go read the posts, which you didn't do. You continued to accuse me of a warped view of rape, which deeply offended me. I think that I had to spend way too much time defending my honor when the onus really was on you to read posts that you are responding to.

...eat me.

Now, is that really necessary?

59 posted on 01/03/2003 3:46:11 PM PST by krb
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To: krb
but understanding that some choices we make endanger ourselves or others, and should arguably be known to endanger ourselves or others. [ I say arguably because I am open to suggestions that she shouldn't have felt any danger

Certainly we should know that putting ourselves in dangerous situations is not bright, it still does not justify what happened however.

60 posted on 01/03/2003 3:52:48 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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