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Who's watching the White House? (Michelle Malkin)
TownHall.com ^ | 1/03/03 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 01/02/2003 9:55:48 PM PST by kattracks

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61 posted on 01/03/2003 7:17:37 AM PST by martin_fierro
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To: Uncle Bill
"We're not looking for individuals of any particular religion or from any particular country." FBI Director Robert Mueller

Inspector Clousseau

62 posted on 01/03/2003 7:18:37 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: kattracks
We need a comprehensive national biometric database, no matter how many people scream "it's unconstitutional". It is simply the only way to know who anybody is, whether they're allowed to be in the country or not, whether they're really violent criminals on the lam pretending to be someone else as they apply for jobs in nursing homes, etc. etc.

Instead of sticking our heads in the sands and trying to stop implementation of such a database, we need to get to work figuring out how to make it work while still preserving liberty and privacy. Otherwise we might as well just forget all about concepts like citizenship and borders, and pledge allegiance to the United Nations.
63 posted on 01/03/2003 7:24:25 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: kattracks
Is the real Kelvin Rodriguez going to jail?
64 posted on 01/03/2003 7:24:41 AM PST by CPT Clay
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To: madfly
thanks for the pings
65 posted on 01/03/2003 7:27:25 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Mo1
"....he was a Tent Supervisor .. not the Prime Minister of a Country.."

Yeah, but he had access to the grounds and, therefore, was in a position to harm the POTUS, the VP, and many others.

66 posted on 01/03/2003 7:37:18 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: snippy_about_it
Martinez-Gonzalez was freed and purchased a birth certificate from the real Kelvin Rodriguez, a Puerto Rican national who lent his identity to Martinez-Gonzalez. According to the intelligence report, Rodriguez helped Martinez-Gonzalez obtain a U.S. Social Security card, Maryland driver's license and a U.S. passport.

Okay...so the guy had legitimate documents, they just weren't his. Given the documents (U.S. Social Security card, Maryland driver's license and a U.S. passport) were issued on the basis of a valid birth certificate, how are the people that issued these documents or the company that hired him supposed to know these documents were not his? And if the company could not identify these documents as fraudulent, then the claims that this was somehow the fault of Bush or the Secret Service for allowing this guy on the grounds has no basis in fact. Malkin is great for bringing the immigration problem to the forefront, but I think she needs to tone down her emotions a little.

67 posted on 01/03/2003 7:41:00 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Bigg Red
Yeah, but he had access to the grounds and, therefore, was in a position to harm the POTUS, the VP, and many others.

I agree .. which is way I said in my post that the SS and the INS needs to do a better job ..

68 posted on 01/03/2003 7:41:06 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Stoner
Amen! The Arizona ranchers along the Mex. border can attest to that!! I have seen TV investigative reports showing miles and miles of trash, diapers, food containers, etc. that they leave every day.

The Indian reservation along the border wants the state of AZ to reimburse them for cleanup of trash on their lands.

Sens. McCain and Kyl and a handful of democrats made a token tour of the area and all we heard was, "tsk, tsk, what a shame ... something should be done about that." or words to that effect.

It's petty bad down there.

g

69 posted on 01/03/2003 7:54:43 AM PST by Geezerette
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To: kattracks
Maybe the "GOVT" better check all the FBI,CIA,ATF and NSA employees for proper citizenship before going out into the Community.
This whole illegal immigration business is a sham and will continue to be a sham until G.W. gives the right orders and shows his commitment to erase the problem.
All the States are crying to the Fed that they need money because of the cost of treating illegal aliens. The answer is to send them back. NOW!
70 posted on 01/03/2003 7:57:13 AM PST by chatham
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To: GovernmentShrinker
We need a comprehensive national biometric database

Hmmmm...

Biometrics are automated methods of recognizing a person based on a physiological or behavioral characteristic. Among the features measured are; face, fingerprints, hand geometry, handwriting, iris, retinal, vein, and voice.

Biometrics

Based on this info and considering he had a valid birth certificate, although it was not his, unless they took these "measurements" at birth, how could one determine that he is not who he says he is? If they took these "measurements" at the time he received additional documentation based on the valid birth certificate, then it would just confirm that he is who the birth certificate says he is. So, while a biometric system may work in most cases for those entering legally under a visa of some type, it would not work for those that enter illegally under the radar and then purchase false ID such as this guy did. If I am somehow wrong on this, please clarify how biometrics would have prevented this incident.

71 posted on 01/03/2003 8:01:49 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
Martinez-Gonzalez's fingerprints were in the immigration database for two years.

Secret Service should be in the habit of scanning the fingerprints of all workers allowed on the White House grounds since 9/11. It takes only seconds to scan a person's fingerprints, now.

72 posted on 01/03/2003 8:02:43 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: Uncle Bill
"We're not looking for individuals of any particular religion or from any particular country."

Yep..part of the plan..if you are looking for 1 in a 1000 you MIGHT just find him...so you look for 1 in 250 million and you KNOW for sure you never will

So fat old white ladies like me get frisked and her shoes checked and a Islam Mullah just walks on the jet..

They do not want to find them..

I do not believe that the 5 mystery men even exist..I think it is the White House way to keep Americans focused on the terrorism and keep their eyes off the selling of America..

It will backfire however because we will get so used to the alerts no one will watch or care much ..THEY they will hit again

But if they are lucky it will be after 1/4 of America is Mexican </ scarasm>

73 posted on 01/03/2003 8:03:28 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: madfly
They did not deport him...LOL...He had "offical" pictures taken with the vice president...

Madfly they do not care about America, all they care about is the New World Order..

74 posted on 01/03/2003 8:07:46 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: 4Freedom
Secret Service should be in the habit of scanning the fingerprints of all workers allowed on the White House grounds since 9/11. It takes only seconds to scan a person's fingerprints, now.

They do not want to find anyone..that is the reason..so if they look they may have to do something..Can you imagine just telling a law breaker he has to stop and considering it a done deal? "Go Home" so it was over to them..

75 posted on 01/03/2003 8:09:57 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ravingnutter
but I think she needs to tone down her emotions a little.

yea no reason to get emotionally involved ..This is only a country they HER parents came to LEGALLY..and like many LEGAL immigrants she love the land her parents chose

.Most born here do not give a crap..and the White House knows that they will sell it for a cheap gardner

76 posted on 01/03/2003 8:13:14 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Crossbow Eel
WAIT? I thought our borders were wide open? People make up your freeking mind on this issue will you. Either we have open borders or we don't. What's the truth ?

Hoo boy, you're a bright one aren't you? I guess you missed this part of the article?

"...But Martinez-Gonzalez was neither detained nor removed from the U.S., as required by federal law."

77 posted on 01/03/2003 8:17:27 AM PST by Nephi
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To: RnMomof7
"...he had 'official' pictures taken with the Vice President..."

Yeah, and in a suit that just screams, 'Arrest me!'

78 posted on 01/03/2003 8:17:35 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: kattracks
FoxNews reported a few minutes ago that Salvador Martinez-Gonzalez is in custody in Texas - has been since December.
79 posted on 01/03/2003 8:21:22 AM PST by Keith in Iowa
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To: Mo1
But Michelle is over doing it a bit .. she makes it sound like this guy had lunch with Cheney everday .. he was a Tent Supervisor .. not the Prime Minister of a Country
Michelle isn't over doing this one bit. This is undeniable proof that illegal entry into our country is a much more serious problem than the Sheeple are willing to believe. The Feds can't find thousands of suspected terrorists, or control illegal entry into the country, but they can sure audit your tax return. Go figure.
80 posted on 01/03/2003 8:26:01 AM PST by wjcsux
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